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Nurse Who Testified Against Michael Schiavo Has Nursing Licence Revoked
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/30/06 | Peter J. Smith

Posted on 06/30/2006 6:36:24 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: yevgenie

The best analogy I can give you is the difference between a few-day-old laceration and an old healed scar on a recently deceased person's arm. It wouldn't take a pathologist to see that one injury was recent, and the other old. If the cells in the brain recently died, it would look different from the cells that had disintegrated long ago - which is consistent with the CT scan that was posted on the net.


241 posted on 07/06/2006 5:34:37 PM PDT by retMD
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To: yevgenie

According to the GAL report, it was a barium swallow test, which consists of a moderately thick liquid. It is easier to swallow liquids than solids, so I would not expect anyone who failed liquids to be able to swallow solids.

Sorry, is CLD short for Clear liquid diet? None of the things I recall CLD standing for seem to apply.


242 posted on 07/06/2006 5:42:07 PM PDT by retMD
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To: retMD

Thank you for both responses. My concern was that her brain might be at least partially attributable to her primary injury and subsequent neglect.

BTW, what kind of doctor were/are you? Which speciality?


243 posted on 07/06/2006 6:31:02 PM PDT by yevgenie (A RINO is just a JACKASS with a RAT'S *** (behind/tail) on its face.)
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To: retMD; Polybius
which is consistent with the CT scan that was posted on the net.

Sir, if I may direct your attention to this post by Polybius.

Post 94

244 posted on 07/06/2006 7:32:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: yevgenie
Please check post 94 about that CT that was on the net.
245 posted on 07/06/2006 7:42:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sir, if I may direct your attention to this post by Polybius.

I've read the post, and I think something is being omitted. I'm not a radiologist, but I've talked to and read what other radiologists have said. Look at Terri Schiavo's CT posted by Poybius, and then at the one of the 76 year old with mildly dilated ventricles. The ventricles on Terri Schiavo's CT are more dilated - at the bottom of the 76 year old's CT there's still a layer of cortex, but on the first CT, the ventricles are nearly touching the skull. But it's not just the amount of fluid in the dilated ventricles. It's also something he doesn't mention - the cortex that is there is very scanty. In the 76 year old patient he mentions, there is more cortex (those foldings around the edge). Examine Terri Schiavo's CT and you'll see lots of fluid (dark space) between the folds.

246 posted on 07/06/2006 9:11:32 PM PDT by retMD
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Thank you for the response.

My understanding is that we were "scammed" as the "slices" of scan are from 2 different areas of the brain and were represented as being the same areas.

He also does say that " There is no doubt the Schiavo had hydrocephalus (and cortical atrophy too)" but then adds "but I have had patients with just as much hydrocephalus with shunts in place walk in and walk out of our CT room."

I'm of the belief that since there were no current tests done, and there was so much "sleight of hand" going on, we'll never know what the truth was.

247 posted on 07/06/2006 9:28:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I agree that some of the MSM showed cuts from different levels, which was misleading. But Polybius posted the 76 yr old's CT which was done at the same level of the posted scan for Terri Schiavo. He may have patients with just as much hydrocephalus who walk in, but I question if they have just as much cortical atrophy as she did. I noted he didn't say that they did.


248 posted on 07/06/2006 9:37:39 PM PDT by retMD
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To: retMD

I don't believe that he was implying that she could have been doing cartwheels in and out his door. I certainly didn't take it that way. Rather, I thought he was questioning what we were told as the truth. We heard brain dead and PVS which was the criteria for her dehydration. I believe his point casts doubt and it's possible that she really was MCS. When she was diagnosed PVS, MCS as a diagnosis didn't exist.


249 posted on 07/06/2006 9:43:22 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
For MCS, you need evidence of perception, communication, or purposeful motor activity.

"At least one criterion should be present and occur on a reproducible or sustained basis to diagnose MCS:

1. follows simple commands,

2. gestural or verbal "yes/no" responses (regardless of accuracy),

3. intelligible verbalization

4. movements or affective behaviors that occur in contingent relation to relevant environmental stimulus and are not attributable to reflexive activity."

250 posted on 07/07/2006 12:32:04 PM PDT by retMD
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To: DJ MacWoW

And yes, you're right that he didn't say she was doing cartwheels; he was mainly complaining about the press misleading people by comparing scans from two different levels.


251 posted on 07/07/2006 12:33:53 PM PDT by retMD
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To: retMD

Yes but she at least needed to be re-examined to get a diagnosis. And that didn't happen.


252 posted on 07/07/2006 12:34:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: retMD

Which makes a person wonder if it was on purpose or out of stupidity and not doing any research. There is a marked difference in the thickness of bone. Didn't they even notice? Or did they think no one else would? *shaking head*


253 posted on 07/07/2006 12:58:08 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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