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Law targets those with unearned military medals (Stolen Valor Act)(MUST READ)
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 7-2-06 | Jason Cato

Posted on 07/02/2006 9:19:26 AM PDT by smoothsailing

 

Law targets those with unearned military medals

By Jason Cato

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Sunday, July 2, 2006

Marine majors have accomplished plenty in the Corps' 230-year history, but tales from "The Terminator" just didn't add up.

He'd been a SEAL, a sniper and a pilot. His stories were larger than life, and no one at the Soldiers & Sailors National Military Museum and Memorial in Oakland believed him. But it was the Navy Cross pinned to his dress blues that proved too much to stomach.

"He had more battle activity than eight guys together," Ron Gancas, museum president, said about John Eastman, who faces federal charges of impersonating a military officer. "Why he picked this place to B.S. I don't know. Everybody was in the military here."

Eastman, 58, of New Galilee, Beaver County, is accused of falsely wearing a major's insignia at a Veteran's Day function in 2004. He was indicted this year and, if convicted, would face a maximum penalty of six months in prison and a $5,000 fine.

If his outcome is anything like that of another imposter prosecuted this year in Pittsburgh, jail time is unlikely. Albert McKelvey, 68, of Richland, faked being a Marine colonel, presenting neatly folded flags to widows at funerals and delivering inspirational speeches to veterans groups. He paid for his transgressions with a $2,500 fine and probation.

A bill -- the Stolen Valor Act -- making its way through Congress would increase the penalties for imposters and help prosecutors go after phonies....

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


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1 posted on 07/02/2006 9:19:29 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Bravo. It's about time. I'd like to see harsher penalties.


2 posted on 07/02/2006 9:21:20 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

John Kerry should be up on charges under this law.


3 posted on 07/02/2006 9:22:00 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (The calm 2006 hurricane season is a Karl Rove political stunt to refute Global warming claims)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ALOHA RONNIE; Coop; river rat; SandRat; W04Man; kellynla; ...
STOLEN VALOR ACT PING.
4 posted on 07/02/2006 9:22:37 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Very important to watch which dems vote nay to the Stolen Valor Act...


5 posted on 07/02/2006 9:23:01 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (The calm 2006 hurricane season is a Karl Rove political stunt to refute Global warming claims)
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To: tomnbeverly; Interesting Times; PhilDragoo; devolve

"John Kerry should be up on charges under this law."

That was the first though that ran through my 67 year old mind, which is short a cup of coffee and maybe more.



6 posted on 07/02/2006 9:24:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic Lies posing as journalism)
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To: tomnbeverly

"Very important to watch which dems vote nay to the Stolen Valor Act..."

That was the second thought than toddled through my 67 year old mind.

Kerry will not vote on this nor will Murtha.

It will be very interesting see how many leftwing rat vets in congress vote on this bill.



7 posted on 07/02/2006 9:27:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic Lies posing as journalism)
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To: tomnbeverly
AGREED! And we should broadcast every vote far and wide, be it Aye or Nay.
8 posted on 07/02/2006 9:27:36 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

I guess I'll have to stop claiming to have received the Good Conduct Medal and a Marksman's Badge.


9 posted on 07/02/2006 9:29:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative

>>>I guess I'll have to stop claiming to have received the Good Conduct Medal and a Marksman's Badge.<<<

I earned the National Defense (which everyone received) and the Good Conduct (which everyone received who didn't kill the general). LOL.


10 posted on 07/02/2006 9:40:58 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
Good Conduct (which everyone received who didn't kill the general).

LOL! My Grandpa was a WWII vet, mostly occupation in Italy after the war, who was apparently in a rather undisciplined unit. He was actually very proud of getting the Good Conduct Medal since most of the people he knew ended up in jail at some point or another and hence didn't get it.
11 posted on 07/02/2006 9:47:19 AM PDT by DarkSavant (Grease me up woman!)
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To: smoothsailing

They'll need to write in an exemption for Hollywood and theatrical performances. There are situations where impersonation is not illegal, and even is called for. Sounds obvious, but never overestimate the sharpness of Solons.


12 posted on 07/02/2006 9:53:31 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: smoothsailing

bump


13 posted on 07/02/2006 9:54:45 AM PDT by VOA
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To: smoothsailing

There goes Halloween...


14 posted on 07/02/2006 9:57:05 AM PDT by dakine
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To: smoothsailing
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ought to take a hard look at one of their own ... Murtha. Two band-aid Purple Hearts (neither of which occurred from enemy action) and a Bronze Star awarded for no reason than to attest to the fact he served one tour in Vietnam.
Murtha a Marine hero ... BS!!!
15 posted on 07/02/2006 9:57:31 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: DarkSavant

My dad was a POW in Germany the last year of WW2. He was shot down over Romania and captured, endured a Death March in winter 1944-45 and spent a month in the hospital after he was liberated. His medals? The Flying Medal with one oak leaf cluster. Knowing what he endured and what he was awarded.........the phonies make me want to BARF!! (not complaining about his medal, just comparing the Greatest Generation with some of the hippy-dippies)


16 posted on 07/02/2006 10:03:58 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: smoothsailing
IF this passes, and I doubt it will ---- the uniforms at the VFW, and various "veteran" organizations, political events and Memorial Day stages will become a lot less "colorful".....
Usually, a few minutes of conversation and a few pointed specific questions and the poseurs are quickly unmasked..

I ran into so many "Rambos" and "Terminators" at those type venues -- I stopped going...

Probably the most believable collection of "color" one might ever see - is at the annual Marine Corps Birthday Balls around the country... Folks KNOW most of the attendees - and served with them.....

The most beautiful award presentation I ever witnessed -- was during a visit to the Wall on the Mall, where some grizzled old veterans of the 7th Calvary had met to recognize a brother that had NOT been awarded what they felt was the appropriate award - and did it themselves - reading the citation out loud for all present to hear, and leaving the Medal behind at the base of the Wall..

The tears were plentiful......

Semper Fi

17 posted on 07/02/2006 10:09:15 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: smoothsailing

Cool! This'll get John Kerry off the streets for a while.


18 posted on 07/02/2006 10:13:52 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: river rat
I couldn't agree with you more. I've had the pleasure of busting two frauds at my VFW. I've never seen them walk through the door since.

In Brotherhood,

ss

19 posted on 07/02/2006 10:20:51 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

This bill was introduced by a Dem. We'll see if it gets real Dem support. Hopefully at least all the Dem vets will vote for it.


20 posted on 07/02/2006 10:27:05 AM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: originalbuckeye
I would love to see community service in a VA hospital say 1000 hours per/fake award and a vest like they have at wal-mart with "Stolen Valor Convict" across the back. and a $2500 fine as a minimum graduated up for level of award
21 posted on 07/02/2006 10:31:41 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ("9 out of the 10 voices in my head told me to go home & clean my weapons!")
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To: PhilipFreneau

Does this mean that I have to quit claiming that I made E-8 in only four years, when actually I made E-4 twice?


22 posted on 07/02/2006 10:48:28 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: smoothsailing
Nothing disgusts me more than a poseur. Once a proper legal test has been established the penalty should be significant. I'm thinking 5 years.
23 posted on 07/02/2006 11:44:57 AM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: river rat

I think a big benefit of making it a crime, is that it would force the media to use formal journalistic standards on veterans stories.

Before they could run phony stories like CBS's The"Wall Within", in which one subject claimed to have been a SEAL super assassin in Vietnam at age 16, they would have to verify that their source wasn't committing a criminal act by feeding them lies.

Dan Rather himself did that story, Rather, until he was outed in recent years had posed as a Marine (he isn't)


24 posted on 07/02/2006 12:12:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: smoothsailing

Hey, I got my DFC for drinking beer and it's the only decoration I ever got that I value!


25 posted on 07/02/2006 12:19:33 PM PDT by Grut
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To: smoothsailing

Of all places to get causgt as a fake


Try the Vietnam Veterans reunion in Florida. A fool was wearing a trident on his cap. Had one on his car and had a blue and gold T-shirt with one on it. Told us a crock of crap and you could see panic in his face when he found out he was exposed to family and friends. I guess he didn't figure there would be any real SEAL's there.


26 posted on 07/02/2006 1:35:58 PM PDT by USN SIGNL MAN
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To: smoothsailing
"Why he picked this place to B.S. I don't know. Everybody was in the military here."


27 posted on 07/02/2006 1:50:21 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Twenty years in the Navy. Never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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To: Grampa Dave
" which is short a cup of coffee and maybe more. "

I'd say you still have all your braincells functioning... You brought up two possibilities I hadn't considered, and I'm about 16 years younger than you are, and I'm midway through my second Dr. Pepper of the afternoon...
28 posted on 07/02/2006 1:54:22 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: USN SIGNL MAN; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Well, it's about darned time you showed up around here! You got some buddies lookin' for ya! :-)

(HEY TONK, Look who's here!)

:-)

29 posted on 07/02/2006 2:11:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: PhilipFreneau; RaceBannon; IGOTMINE; smoothsailing
the Good Conduct (which everyone received who didn't kill the general). LOL

I don't recall for the other services, but in the Marine Corps the officers were ineligible for the Good Conduct Medal. :-)

30 posted on 07/02/2006 2:14:01 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

>>>I don't recall for the other services, but in the Marine Corps the officers were ineligible for the Good Conduct Medal. :-)<<<

I believe that was true for the Navy, as well.


31 posted on 07/02/2006 2:25:03 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Graybeard58

>>>Does this mean that I have to quit claiming that I made E-8 in only four years, when actually I made E-4 twice?<<<

LOL.


32 posted on 07/02/2006 2:26:00 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: ansel12
It was only recently, that I heard Rather had been claiming to be a Marine...

He apparently based that claim on the fact he reported to boot camp, but was discharged in less than 4 months as being "physically unfit" to be a Marine..

As every puke and whale turd who reported to P.I. learned with seconds - is that you're NOT a Marine until your Senior D.I. welcomes you into HIS Marine Corps immediately AFTER graduation ceremony.

4 months - about he same time Rambo Kerry spent in Vietnam to "earn" his Silver Star and THREE Purple Hearts without bleeding.. Rather has been a purveyer and believer of his own myths for decades... Only in America can a lying, weak, spineless, communist admiring asshole become a wealthy "news" reader..

F'em.

Semper Fi

33 posted on 07/02/2006 2:33:21 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Coop
I don't recall for the other services, but in the Marine Corps officers were ineligible for the Good Conduct Medal.

Same in the Army. I got mine as an enlisted man and was allowed to wear it when I later became an officer.

Some of the best officers I knew had started out as grunts, and to them the GCM was proudly worn.

When you've been both officer and enlisted, you respect the guys who make things happen.

More times than not, it's the sergeants with the stripes, and the officers who respect them.

34 posted on 07/02/2006 2:33:29 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing
I got mine as an enlisted man and was allowed to wear it when I later became an officer.

Yep, that's how we could tell when the zeroes were worth anything. If they had a Good Conduct medal, you knew they were mustangs (prior enlisted).

Just kiddin'! I worked with some darn fine officers in all services that were able to overcome their lack of enlisted service. :-)

35 posted on 07/02/2006 2:37:42 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: tomnbeverly

And also charged with sedition.


36 posted on 07/02/2006 3:09:43 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: smoothsailing

Oh, oh, John Kerry's in trouble again.


37 posted on 07/02/2006 4:02:48 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Coop
"If they had a Good Conduct medal, you knew they were mustangs (prior enlisted)."

My experience has been that mustangs were either really, really good, or really, really bad. No inbetween at all. Mostly, good, though. Not entirely, though, either.

Having grown up a bit, I suppose I owe Lt. Hoying an apology. I laughed at him when he suggested I should try to go to OCS...although I do think I would have made a LOUSY officer.
38 posted on 07/02/2006 5:28:48 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Graybeard58

LOLOLOL


39 posted on 07/02/2006 5:35:03 PM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: Coop

LOL:)


40 posted on 07/02/2006 5:36:59 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: smoothsailing

Two words -- John Kerry


41 posted on 07/02/2006 5:37:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: river rat

“Usually, a few minutes of conversation and a few pointed specific questions and the poseurs are quickly unmasked..”

Man, have you got that right. I remember when I first reported aboard, a (future) buddy telling me that after awhile you could immediately spot somebody that had never been on a ship before. Just by watching for a few minutes.

That statement stuck to me, finding it an applicable BS indicator through other circumstances in my life.

”I ran into so many "Rambos" and "Terminators" at those type venues -- I stopped going...”

I never even bothered to join – after I got back I just wanted to forget he whole d*mn thang and get on with my life.


42 posted on 07/02/2006 6:06:11 PM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: smoothsailing
I had one heck of a time getting on
WOW
Now I'm here.I guess I will piss some off on the left.
43 posted on 07/02/2006 7:54:16 PM PDT by USN SIGNL MAN
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To: smoothsailing
From river rat:

couldn't agree with you more. I've had the pleasure of busting two frauds at my VFW. I've never seen them walk through the door since.
In Brotherhood,
To Rat:
I did the same thing. Now the fakes run because of our group of veterans will embarase you bad if you are a fake. I am just a regular guy who didn't get a purple heart or silver star. I tell everyone I was just a guy doing what he had to do. I am also member of the VFW and see no reason to brag:
We have a sign-----
It is not the price you paid to join but the price you paid to be eligible
To fellow NAM VETS ----- WELCOME HOME BROTHER
44 posted on 07/02/2006 8:09:13 PM PDT by USN SIGNL MAN
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To: USN SIGNL MAN; Coop; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; freema; Just A Nobody; SandRat; river rat; ...
Well, I'm glad it all worked out.

Some simple guidelines:

Never use any word you couldn't say to your mother's face.

If you know someone by their real name, never say it.

Use their screen name, in my case, smoothsailing, although some of my friends here just call me smooth, or ss.

Never give out info that you don't want the enemy to see.

LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS

And last but never least,

WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!


45 posted on 07/02/2006 8:21:43 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing; All

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The Words:

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~ALOHARONNIE



The Pictures:

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~JLO







MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts


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46 posted on 07/02/2006 8:40:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; USN SIGNL MAN
Thanks AR!

I'm pinging this to USN SIGNL MAN, he's our new brother on board, and a PROUD VIETNAM VET, just like you and me.

(USN SIGNL MAN, check post #46, he's one of the good guys, I would trust him with my life)

47 posted on 07/02/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: USN SIGNL MAN; smoothsailing

Welcome Bump.


48 posted on 07/02/2006 8:55:31 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: USN SIGNL MAN

Welcome aboard, and welcome home!


49 posted on 07/02/2006 8:57:40 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: JLO; smoothsailing; USN SIGNL MAN

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Thank you for your outstanding JLO Freeper Home Page Pictures that help bring our 'Liberty and Justice for All' message out there.


ARMY SIGNL MAN Ronnie Guyer
HHC, 1/7th Cavalry 1965-66


50 posted on 07/02/2006 9:06:08 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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