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A Sweetener With a Bad Rap (high-fructose corn syrup)
The Perfidious NY Times ^ | July 2, 2006 | MELANIE WARNER

Posted on 07/02/2006 8:56:56 PM PDT by neverdem

EVERY time Marie Cabrera goes shopping, she brings along her mental checklist of things to avoid. It includes products with artery-clogging trans fats, cholesterol-inducing saturated fats, MSG and the bogeyman du jour, high-fructose corn syrup. That last one, she says, is the hardest to avoid unless she happens to be shopping in the small natural-foods section of her supermarket.

As she pushed her shopping cart down an aisle of the Super Stop & Shop near her hometown of Warren, R.I., recently, Ms. Cabrera, a retired schoolteacher, offered her thoughts on why she steers clear of high-fructose corn syrup: "It's been linked to obesity, and it's just not something that's natural or good for you."

This is the perception that many consumers have of the syrup, a synthetic sweetener that has replaced plain old sugar and become a ubiquitous ingredient in American processed foods. High-fructose corn syrup provides the sweet zing in everything from Coke, Pepsi and Snapple iced tea to Dannon yogurt and Chips Ahoy cookies. It also lurks in unexpected places, like Ritz crackers, Wonder bread, Wishbone ranch dressing and Campbell's tomato soup.

In the news media and on myriad Web sites, high-fructose corn syrup has been labeled "the Devil's candy," a "sinister invention," "the crack of sweeteners" and "crud." Many scientific articles and news reports have noted that since 1980, obesity rates have climbed at a rate remarkably similar to that of high-fructose corn syrup consumption. A distant derivative of corn, the highly processed syrup was created in the late 1960's and has become a hard-to-avoid staple of the American diet over the last 25 years. It spooks foodies, parents and nutritionists alike. But is it really that bad?

Many scientists say that there is little data to back up the demonization of high-fructose corn syrup, and that...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Technical; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: cornsyrup; diet; fda; health; hfcs; nutrition; obesity; sugar; weight
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What is HFCS?

Per Capita Consumption of HFCS

Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity

1 posted on 07/02/2006 8:56:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The worst stuff ever.

gov't subsidized corn to make it cheap and then spent money to make sugar twice as expensive as it should be.

The result is that soft drinks use corn syrup and they made a lot of FAT people.

2 posted on 07/02/2006 9:02:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: neverdem
products with artery-clogging trans fats, cholesterol-inducing saturated fats, MSG and the bogeyman du jour, high-fructose corn syrup

AKA My Diet

3 posted on 07/02/2006 9:04:05 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
Brownback's Chimerical Attempt to Curb Science

Impaired Reasoning - Should last week’s joint disqualify a pot smoker from driving today?

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

4 posted on 07/02/2006 9:05:23 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

It's a conspiracy and I wanna just sue sumbody cause I'm fat.


5 posted on 07/02/2006 9:06:23 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: GeronL

It's not the HFC in the soda that makes people fat, it's the ammount of soda in the people. Empty calories is empty calories and it doesn't matter if they're from HFC or regular sugar, pound down a bunch of it and you're gonna fatten up.


6 posted on 07/02/2006 9:09:23 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: neverdem
It makes people obese in a hard way to burn off. This article sounds like one of those nuclear industry-planted articles that have recently come to light - a paid-for paint job to make it seem that replacing natural sugar for highly-fattening fructose is a good thing.

And I'm still behind nuclear energy...until cleaner and cheaper alternatives are viable.
7 posted on 07/02/2006 9:09:38 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Progress; not progressiveness.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Same here. She forgot Boxes of Popeyes chicken though.


8 posted on 07/02/2006 9:10:52 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: neverdem

It tastes like crap. It's hard to even find jam or jelly without it. Regular old sugar has turned into "health food".


9 posted on 07/02/2006 9:11:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: GeronL
Eating too much makes people fat.

Remarkably, we have a country where even the poorest can eat too much, if they want, and this is a problem?

10 posted on 07/02/2006 9:12:23 PM PDT by JohnCliftn (In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Good Will. - Churchill)
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To: neverdem

I won't go into if this stuff is good or bad for you.

However, it DOES taste different than sugar. There's something subtly different in the taste.

I noticed the difference in the taste of Snapple Iced Tea when they changed over to HFCS, and every year around Passover, I pick up a few bottles of Kosher for Passover Coke, which is sweetened with sugar, not HFCS. These are very limited in distribution.

Mark


11 posted on 07/02/2006 9:12:45 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: neverdem
A Sweetener With a Bad Rap Taste (high-fructose corn syrup)

Fixed the title for you.

12 posted on 07/02/2006 9:14:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: neverdem
Eating HFCS is something like eating those baked potato chips. You never seem to get sated so you just keep eating.

(the proceeding is my personal opinion and not to be taken as an endorsement of eating baked potato chips)

13 posted on 07/02/2006 9:15:13 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sign up to donate monthly and you will be automatically entered in our "Win a Bear Hug Contest")
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To: JohnCliftn

Our 'poorest' are better fed that 95% of the people on this planet.


14 posted on 07/02/2006 9:15:23 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: neverdem
It includes products with artery-clogging trans fats, cholesterol-inducing saturated fats, MSG

If Marie is trying to avoid MSG, I hope she doesn't have any proteins in her diet since glutamic acid occurs naturally in all of them. Must be hard to shop when you can't eat meat, poultry, seafood or vegetables. A dinner invite from her is one to be avoided.

15 posted on 07/02/2006 9:17:24 PM PDT by Mase
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To: MarkL

I never knew Coke did that.


16 posted on 07/02/2006 9:18:10 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: MarkL
I noticed the difference in the taste of Snapple Iced Tea when they changed over to HFCS, and every year around Passover, I pick up a few bottles of Kosher for Passover Coke, which is sweetened with sugar, not HFCS. These are very limited in distribution.

Many Mexican food stores have sugar-sweetened Coca Cola for sale, or at least they did a few years ago.

17 posted on 07/02/2006 9:21:38 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: GeronL
The result is that soft drinks use corn syrup and they made a lot of FAT people.

Those soda's would make the same number of people fat if they were made from regular sugar instead of HFCS. As a matter of fact, if soda was made from sugar instead of HFCS, more soda would probably be consumed since it would taste so much better. Then we'd be even fatter.

18 posted on 07/02/2006 9:22:25 PM PDT by Mase
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To: neverdem
HFCS is a product of an ever intrusive government. First it made regular sugar too expensive through price supports then made the price of corn cheaper with farm subsidies. Wallah.
19 posted on 07/02/2006 9:22:46 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: GeronL
>"The result is that soft drinks use corn syrup and they made a lot of FAT people."

Coke used to use gran sugar. Then New Coke came out, and sunk, then "classic" coke with CS replaced it.

I really dont care cause I'm and aspertame junkie anyway! Diet Coke rules!

PS the trilateral commission ate my bildeburgers!

20 posted on 07/02/2006 9:24:24 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: Ainast
Mmmmm... Popeye's chicken....

I think we need to start a new victim group, the Fructosians. Fat Teddy can be our designated Senator.

21 posted on 07/02/2006 9:24:54 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Mase

I don't think pure cane sugar and corn syrup have the same effect on the body


22 posted on 07/02/2006 9:25:12 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: rawcatslyentist

I doubt there is any cane sugar in any popular brand of soft drink even Dr. Pepper finally stopped saying it used sugar and or corn syrup and just says corn syrup now.


23 posted on 07/02/2006 9:27:10 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I don't think pure cane sugar and corn syrup have the same effect on the body

Why not? Cane sugar and HFCS are made up of the same ingredients in essentially identical proportions.

24 posted on 07/02/2006 9:29:28 PM PDT by Mase
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To: rawcatslyentist

There is no sugar in Coca-Cola Classic... its HFCS now..


25 posted on 07/02/2006 9:30:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mase
One comes from corn and one comes from sugar cane... hardly identical... =o)

read ya in the morning...

Its more of a hunch I have about HFCS than anything else...

Plus I don't like the way government manipulates the prices of stuff

26 posted on 07/02/2006 9:32:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
>"There is no sugar in Coca-Cola Classic... its HFCS now.."

And it tastes like cough syrup to me!

I was pointing out how Coke switched from GS to CS. Classic misleading misdirection on their behalf.

27 posted on 07/02/2006 9:35:27 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: GeronL; All


Glucose

Definition of Dextrose

Both glucose and fructose have the same molecular formula, C6H12O6. Beware of cabals read on the internet.

28 posted on 07/02/2006 9:43:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: discostu
it's the ammount of soda i

Way back when I was in school and soda was 'pop' and came in glass bottles - coca cola and moxie being my favorites - the bottles were only 6-7 oz. of soda-pop each.

Now, the regular bottle is 20 oz!

I stopped soda cold turkey after my back suddenly gave out in excoriating pain - 2 fractured vertebrae - due to, it turned out, osteoporosis.

Researching it, I found medical research that claimed that all carbonated drinks leached the calcium out of your bones.

I was 186 lbs when I quit. I lost 46 lbs in 4 months.

29 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:12 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: GeronL
One comes from corn and one comes from sugar cane... hardly identical...

Sucrose is made up of 50% glucose and 50% fructose. HFCS used in soda is made up of approx. 55% fructose and 45% glucose. Your body can't distinguish, not does it care, the sources of these ingredients. The liver easily converts the fructose to glucose. Glucose that is needed for immediate energy is burned. What's not needed is converted to glycogen and stored in the liver and muscles. If the glycogen reserves are full, the glucose is converted to fat.

If the government didn't force American manufacturers to pay 2-3 times more than the world price for sugar, HFCS usage would drop dramatically. We have to consume sub standard products to support inefficient domestic cane and beet farmers.

30 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:32 PM PDT by Mase
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To: rawcatslyentist
the trilateral commission ate my bildeburgers!

LOL

31 posted on 07/02/2006 9:48:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: NewRomeTacitus; little jeremiah; GeronL; All

Fructose is a carbohydrate, and is a simple sugar found in fruits. It is often called just "fruit sugar". Check the link on "Glucose" in comment# 28.


32 posted on 07/02/2006 9:52:12 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

But the human body has a harder time burning off sugars made up of shorter chains of molecules than longer ones. I don't know why.


33 posted on 07/02/2006 10:05:22 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (She blinded me with science...confused me with technology.)
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To: neverdem
THANK YOU for linking to the Printer Friendly version of the article.

Those of us trapped in 56K dialup HELL really appreciate it!

34 posted on 07/02/2006 10:31:56 PM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: little jeremiah
It tastes like crap. It's hard to even find jam or jelly without it. Regular old sugar has turned into "health food".

I couldn't have said it better myself.

35 posted on 07/02/2006 10:34:22 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: neverdem

A potent allergen, too. Avoidance is wise.


36 posted on 07/02/2006 10:50:09 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Darkwolf377

I wonder if I could get Popeyes chicken to pay me to eat nothing but their food for a year and lose weight. hmmm


All they would have to provide is unlimited Popeyes chicken for a year and possibly a personal trainer. I mean if people would just learn to exercise and to not feel like they have to fight for the last chicken breast they could lose weight.


37 posted on 07/02/2006 10:53:16 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: little jeremiah

I know that every time I drive by Dublin, Tx I always have to stop and buy a 4 or 5 24 packs of Dublin Dr. Peppers. Imperial Cane Sugar Rocks!!!

If they would just switch over to cane sugar in all of their drinks I would gladly pay more. It just plain tastes better.


38 posted on 07/02/2006 10:55:31 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: maine-iac7
I stopped soda cold turkey after my back suddenly gave out in excoriating pain - 2 fractured vertebrae - due to, it turned out, osteoporosis. Researching it, I found medical research that claimed that all carbonated drinks leached the calcium out of your bones. I was 186 lbs when I quit. I lost 46 lbs in 4 months.

WOW! I'm so grateful I grew up in a home where milk or water was the choice. We never felt deprived.

39 posted on 07/02/2006 10:56:23 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; King Prout; All
But the human body has a harder time burning off sugars made up of shorter chains of molecules than longer ones.

I don't know what you mean by that.

Fructose is converted to glucose in the liver and intestine to serve as basic body fuel. Scroll down that link almost halfway. It's in the paragraph starting with Monosaccharides.

Both glucose and fructose are simple sugars with 6 carbons each. Check the "Glucose" link in comment# 28. It's from Georgia State University. It does a great job on a load of science subjects. Here's the homepage, HyperPhysics, but it's not confined just to physics. Take a gander at all the links in both sidebars.

40 posted on 07/02/2006 10:56:57 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: GeronL

3 words: DUBLIN DR PEPPERS.

They are made with Imperial Cane Sugar.

You can get them in Dublin, Tx between Eastland and Waco. They will give you a sugar buzz you wouldn't believe.


41 posted on 07/02/2006 11:02:30 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the science. But, I'm far from a chemist so I'm confused.

If they are the same molecule then why does one have to be converted to the other?

From one of the links on this thread:

"Using a glucose isomerase, the starch in corn can be efficiently converted to glucose and then to various amounts of fructose. The hydrolysis of sucrose produces a 50:50 molar mixture of fructose and glucose…"

If it's the same molecule, why would 'conversion' do anything at all?


42 posted on 07/02/2006 11:17:42 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Mase
sucrose .NE. fructose...try googling or look up a respectable biochemistry or organic chemistry text.

Full Disclosure: I once got a chance to tour a plant which produced HFCS...they had a pair of 250,000 bushel containers for the corn. The place looked like a refinery.

Cheers!

43 posted on 07/02/2006 11:20:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem
Beat me to it on the structures, neverdem.

Thanks from Alaska--Freeping on Vacation. :-)

Cheers!

44 posted on 07/02/2006 11:21:27 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem

Subsequent studies have indicated what I stated. If you're not aware of the burgeoning obesity of Americans and it's causes (bad dietary choices) I can't help you.

Here in Tennessee we had to chide an otherwise good Republican back to her senses when she fell under the influence of the fast-food lobby when they wanted to install junk machines in every school. Bling.


45 posted on 07/02/2006 11:23:02 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: neverdem
Fructose is converted to glucose in the liver and intestine to serve as basic body fuel

Yes, but that article didn't disclose what a body does when over-inundated by more sugars than it can process. It's called stored fat.

46 posted on 07/02/2006 11:34:48 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: supercat

Many Mexican food stores have sugar-sweetened Coca Cola for sale, or at least they did a few years ago.<<<<<<<<<<<

I always bought my "Bottled in Mexico" (with sugar) Coke at a small Mexican food store in South Central. Then I found it in a nice sandwich shop, which unfortunately closed. So I guess I'd better find a Mexican market again.
The high-fructose Coke is not nearly as good as the old fashioned type. It's the only time I drink a sugared drink, and it's worth it!


47 posted on 07/02/2006 11:40:05 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: Mjaye

Real sugar.. but Mexican water? Oh the dilemma...


48 posted on 07/02/2006 11:44:47 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: neverdem

Forgot to say there is a Dr. Pepper plant in Dublin, TX that bottles the original Dr. P. drink sweetened with real sugar, too.


49 posted on 07/02/2006 11:53:04 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: neverdem

Problem is, fructose is converted to glucose "if needed." If you don't burn enough energy to need the conversion, then fructose gets planted in lipid layers. Pure glucose is absorbed and used by the body directly.


50 posted on 07/03/2006 12:12:05 AM PDT by mike70
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