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Pennies May Soon Be a Thing of the Past
http://articles.news.aol.com/ ^ | 4 3 06 | JEFF DONN

Posted on 07/02/2006 9:43:43 PM PDT by freepatriot32

PLYMOUTH, Mass. (July 2) - In this village settled by thrifty Pilgrims, you can still buy penny candy for a penny, but tourist Alan Ferguson doubts he'll be able to dig any 1-cent pieces out of his pockets.

He rarely carries pennies because "they take up a lot of room for how much value they have." Instead, like so many other Americans, he dumps his pennies into a bucket back home in Sarasota, Fla.

Pity the poor penny!

It packs so little value that merry kids chuck pennies into the fountain near the candy store, just to watch them splash and sink. Stray pennies turn up everywhere: in streets, cars, sofas, beaches, even landfills with the rest of the garbage.

A penny bought a loaf of bread in early America, but it's a loafer of a coin in an age of inflation and affluence, slowly sliding into monetary obsolescence.

For the first time, the U.S. Mint has said pennies are costing more than 1 cent to make this year, thanks to higher metal prices. "The penny is going to disappear soon unless something changes in the economics of commodities," says Robert Hoge, an expert on North American coins at The American Numismatic Society.

That very idea of spending 1.2 cents to put 1 cent into play strikes many people as "faintly ridiculous," says Jeff Gore, of Elkton, Md., founder of a little group called Citizens for Retiring the Penny.

And yet, while its profile of Abe Lincoln marks time in the bottom of drawers and ashtrays, the penny somehow carries a reassuring symbolism that Americans hesitate to forsake.

"It's part of their past, so they want to keep it in their future," says Dave Harper, editor of Numismatic News.

Gallup polling has shown that two-thirds of Americans want to keep the penny coin. There's even a pro-penny lobby called Americans for Common Cents.

The Mint's announcement is a milestone, though, because coins have historically cost less to produce than the face value paid by receiving banks. They are moneymakers for the government.

U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe, of Arizona, wants to keep it that way. But when he asked Congress to phase out the penny five years ago he failed; he intends to try again this year. If he fails again, he joked recently, he may open a business melting down pennies to resell the metal.

The idea of a penniless society began to gain currency in 1989 with a bill in Congress to round off purchases to the nearest nickel. It was dropped, but the General Accounting Office in a 1996 report unceremoniously acknowledged that some people consider the penny a "nuisance coin."

In 2002, Gallup polling found that 58 percent of Americans stash pennies in piggy banks, jars, drawers and the like, instead of spending them like other coins. Some people eventually redeem them at banks or coin-counting machines, but 2 percent admit to just plain throwing pennies out!

"Today it's a joke. It's outlived its usefulness," says Tony Terranova, a New York City coin dealer who paid $437,000 for a 1792 penny prototype in what is believed to be the denomination's highest auction price.

"Most people find them annoying when they get them in change," he adds. "I've seen people get pennies in change and actually throw them on the floor."

Not Edmond Knowles, of Flomaton, Ala.

No, he hoarded pennies for nearly four decades as a hobby. He ended up with more than 1.3 million of them - 4.5 tons - in several drums in his garage. His bank refused to take them all at once, but he finally found a coin-counting company, Coinstar, that wanted the publicity.

In the biggest known penny cash-in ever, they sent an armored truck last year, loaded his pennies, and then watched helplessly as it sank into the mud in his yard. They needed a tow truck to redeem it. "I still got a few ruts in the yard," says Knowles.

His years of collecting brought him about $1 a day - $13,084.59 in all.

A penny saved was a penny earned for Knowles, but he took another lesson from the experience, too: "I don't save pennies anymore. It's too big a problem getting rid of them."

Another problem: deciding what to make the penny from. Copper, bronze and zinc have been used, even steel in 1943 when copper was desperately needed for the World War II effort. In 1982, zinc replaced most of the penny's copper to save money, but rising zinc prices are now bedeviling the penny again.

"I'm very surprised they haven't gone to plastic," muses Bill Johnson, a wheat-penny collector who owns the Plimoth Candy Co. (It uses an old spelling of Plymouth.)

Even in his shop where a penny still buys a Tootsie Roll, he leaves a few pennies scattered on top of the cash register for customers like Lindsay Taylor, of Westwood, who is buying $1.78 worth of candy.

She is carrying no pennies because her sons have taken them for their old-fashioned piggy banks, which automatically flip coins inside. Her 2-year-old, she says, "just loves pushing the button."

Others have their own reasons for valuing the humble coin, which borrowed its colloquial name from British currency. The "cent" - meaning 1 percent of a dollar - has been struck every year except 1815, when the United States ran out of British-made penny blanks in the wake of the War of 1812.

"It's part of the fabric of American culture," says David Early, a spokesman for the government's Lincoln Bicentennial Commission.

The penny took on the profile of President Lincoln, beloved as the Union's savior during the Civil War, on the centennial of his birth in 1909. The first ones carried ears of wheat on the tails side, but the Lincoln memorial has replaced those. Four new tails designs with themes from Lincoln's life are planned for 2009, with a fifth permanent one afterward to summarize his legacy.

This redesign, the first major one since 1959, has heartened penny lovers.

Those who want to keep the penny coin include small merchants who prefer cash transactions, contractors who help supply pennies, and consumer advocates who fear rounding up of purchases.

We think the penny is important as a hedge to inflation," says director Mark Weller of Americans for Common Cents. "Any time you have more accurate pricing, consumers benefit."

Joining with the lobby, the wireless network Virgin Mobile USA recently launched a save-the-penny campaign. Its penny truck will travel cross-country to gather pennies for charity.

Scores of charities esteem the penny, which many Americans donate without a second thought. Like shouts in a playground, pennies can multiply quickly.

"People don't like carrying them around, so we dump them into the nearest bowl," says Teddy Gross, who founded the Penny Harvest charity drive in New York City schools. "By the end of any given year, most Americans have got a stash of capital which is practically useless, but it's within easy reach of a young person."

Last year, his children raked in 55 million pennies, which had to be redeemed with help from the Brink's security company. They also bagged about 200,000 spare nickels.

By the way, the Mint says nickels are also costing more to produce than they're worth. Pity the poor nickel?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts
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if the penny ever does go away be preppared to pay a lot more in sales tax every state that has 6 percent or more will move up to 10 percent and any state with less then 5 will go up to 5 percent this is a horrible idea and the bring it up every 5 years or so since as far back as i can rember
1 posted on 07/02/2006 9:43:49 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32

Nope it shouldn't affect sales taxes at all: we'll just add the rounding line to all cash transactions, the same way the do in Australia.

Cash register receipts down-under total up the prices, add general sales tax, then have a line which is either blank, or says 'rounding -0.02', 'rounding -0.01', 'rounding 0.01' or 'rounding 0.02', depending on the deviation from the nearest amount divisible by 5 cents Australian.

It's like having one of those 'take a penny, leave a penny' bins, with everyone required to participate.

I've been advocating it for years, and have taken to calling the little bins or cups 'Currency Reform Bins'.


2 posted on 07/02/2006 9:50:09 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: freepatriot32


If I had a dollar for every time this has been mentioned over the years...... oh never mind.


3 posted on 07/02/2006 9:50:33 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: freepatriot32

You'd round to the nearest (or, given the state, to the next highest) quintuple AFTER the tax is calculated.

Nobody would be fooled into 10 percent tax. That is wholly unnecessary whatsoever.


4 posted on 07/02/2006 9:50:39 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: freepatriot32
FWIW, I have been saying for years the penny should be done away with. Just take the price and round it.

$.02 or less becomes $.00, $.03 or more becomes $.05.

The change (pun intended!!) would hardly be noticed.

5 posted on 07/02/2006 9:52:18 PM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: The_Reader_David

I think the more pennies we see on the ground, it's a sign that they'll stop producing them.


6 posted on 07/02/2006 9:52:28 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: freepatriot32

Pennies are not worthless to me. They saved my life last summer, when I was without money for groceries for 3 months. The pennies and nickels I had saved and thrown in a drawer bought me bread, bologna and cheese to live on.

I'd never throw a penny away.


7 posted on 07/02/2006 9:57:49 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: freepatriot32

The US needs to do a 1 for 10 reverse split on the money. A $1 loaf of bread would be 10 "new cents" etc etc. Pennies would be useful again and more worth while to mint. Content could be "adjusted" to material costs.


8 posted on 07/02/2006 9:58:32 PM PDT by Waco
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To: freepatriot32

It is a cent, not a "penny".
Pennies were 1/240 of a pound silver derived from the roman denarius.


9 posted on 07/02/2006 9:59:49 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Rte66
"I'd never throw a penny away."

"Take care of your pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves."
10 posted on 07/02/2006 10:03:35 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Rte66
"The pennies and nickels I had saved and thrown in a drawer bought me bread, bologna and cheese to live on."

Bless your heart. I'm with you....if I see a penny on the ground, I pick it up! They do add up. :)

11 posted on 07/02/2006 10:03:49 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Rte66

Yes, I still pick up a penny when I find one anywhere.


12 posted on 07/02/2006 10:06:48 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: freepatriot32

This just doesn't make cents.


13 posted on 07/02/2006 10:08:13 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: freepatriot32
The obvious solution is to bring back the 2-cent piece.
14 posted on 07/02/2006 10:15:53 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Rte66

I was in that same financial shape not long ago. Things got better. Now when I go to the store, I usually surreptitiously scatter my change in the parking lot on the way out. You never know who it might help, and little kids still get a charge out of finding a penny or a nickel, even if we jaded grown-ups don't!


15 posted on 07/02/2006 10:27:17 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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16 posted on 07/02/2006 10:27:46 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: The_Reader_David

Yes. There is no one centime/rappen coin in Switzerland. The 5 is the smallest and prices are determined accordingly. Any % off sale just rounds it to 5. Big Whoop.

What we need are some dollar coins that are common and circulated.


17 posted on 07/02/2006 10:31:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Rte66

We actually had hundreds of $ worth in jars. At 9/11 we donated them to the Red Cross so they could waste them on unneeded blood that they threw away.


18 posted on 07/02/2006 10:33:03 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: freepatriot32
Inflation has indeed made the penny useless. It's fine with me if we remove it from our coinage.

(Just my 2 cents!)

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19 posted on 07/02/2006 10:34:39 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: AGreatPer
I ususally pick up pennies too.....only to remind myself that I am not so well off that I can't pick up a coin, even a penny......

I saved $50 worth of pre 1980 pennies and I thought I could cash them in to a copper recyler when the prices were high......but found out you can't destroy US coins or paper ......

20 posted on 07/02/2006 10:35:01 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: Yaelle
"At 9/11 we donated them to the Red Cross so they could waste them on unneeded blood that they threw away."

You shouldn't feel bad about this -- think of it like an insurance policy. Even when you buy insurance, you're usually thankful if you didn't need it.
21 posted on 07/02/2006 10:36:34 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: freepatriot32

To this day, and I even teach my daughter that, if I find a penny on the ground and it's "heads up" I pick it up for good luck!

If the penny is "tails up" I flip it over and leave it there so that someone else can have good luck when they find it.

Silly, huh?


22 posted on 07/02/2006 10:37:25 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: freepatriot32
and consumer advocates who fear rounding up of purchases.

Yup. What're we going to do with gas that sells for $2.999.


23 posted on 07/02/2006 10:41:24 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: freepatriot32

If they got rid of the penny what would pay a bill to someone your mad at.

What happen when the mil went away. I saw then at my grandmothers house in a candy dish. I know there real.


24 posted on 07/02/2006 10:42:14 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Red is good)
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To: freepatriot32

You are assuming that any amount greater than $.05 and less than $.10 will go up to $.10. Ever heard of 5/4 rounding?


25 posted on 07/02/2006 10:44:08 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: freepatriot32

Oz got rid of their penny years ago.


26 posted on 07/02/2006 10:45:50 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: JennysCool
Now when I go to the store, I usually surreptitiously scatter my change in the parking lot on the way out. You never know who it might help, and little kids still get a charge out of finding a penny or a nickel, even if we jaded grown-ups don't!

What a cool thing to do!

27 posted on 07/02/2006 10:46:55 PM PDT by jellybean (Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: freepatriot32
For the first time, the U.S. Mint has said pennies are costing more than 1 cent to make this year, thanks to higher metal prices.

Not true! In 1982, the one cent piece was changed from 95% copper to 97% zinc with only a thin copper coating, because there was more that 1¢ worth of copper in the coin.

28 posted on 07/02/2006 10:54:20 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: freepatriot32

As with most other issues, there's a song for the situation:

http://www.eveselis.com/music/nbtt.php#6


"Mr. Lincoln I don’t think that I can save ya
But you’ll go down in history."


29 posted on 07/02/2006 11:06:26 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

How about a "penny weight"?


30 posted on 07/02/2006 11:38:04 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Yaelle
What we need are some dollar coins that are common and circulated.

It's been tried. The dopes at the mint produced the Susan B. Anthony dollar almost the same size as a quarter.


31 posted on 07/02/2006 11:43:37 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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32 posted on 07/02/2006 11:50:06 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: upchuck

This is funny because I remember just a few years ago reading about how the Mint would never stop making pennies because they made a profit on them.

The military exchanges in Japan started rounding to the nearest nickel this about 10 years ago when the cost of shipping pennies there grew too great. I didn't miss them at all and when I returned to the States, I found dealing with them again very annoying.


33 posted on 07/03/2006 12:00:39 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Twenty years in the Navy. Never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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35 posted on 07/03/2006 12:25:04 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: freepatriot32

I gotta tell ya this one...

Working in the garage I found myself in need a washer but did not have one the right size. For some reason a penny was in the bin of washers. So I drilled it out and used it.

I thought to myself, I'll be at the hardware store and pick up some washers.

Those washers cost between .08 and .10 each.


36 posted on 07/03/2006 12:30:32 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Cobra64
I'm finding the new dollar coins in regular circulation quite a bit. Even had a teller chuck one back to me as change. They are gold color now, not the Susan Quarter Look-Alikes


37 posted on 07/03/2006 12:33:05 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: freepatriot32

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38 posted on 07/03/2006 12:34:11 AM PDT by BJungNan
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I use the new gold dollar whenever I can get them but the only place that I know of that uses them regularly is the change from a post office stamp machines.
39 posted on 07/03/2006 1:24:49 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: freepatriot32
This from the U.S. Mint who changes the face of coins and bills so often now a person can't keep up. IIRC citizens who are blind must identify their coins and bills by feel. Yes even the bills have a certain texture and used to good bank tellers could sort money while counting and never even have to look. They knew the texture. The mint seems to have forgotten that also.

How about this for them. Just leave our money alone!! The bills as well as some of the coins are taking on more foreign looking designs making them harder to identify especially the nickle. I'll keep the penny. I really don't feel like playing nickle roulette with the gas pumps that can't seem to stop on an even mark and it will be the same with a nickle too. It may work in other nations but every tax grabbing local and state government will use this for a windfall tax hike. BTW ANYONE ready to see local and state sales taxes go up in 5 cent steps? No thanks.

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41 posted on 07/03/2006 2:54:05 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent)
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42 posted on 07/03/2006 3:38:36 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: cherry

I pick up pennies too. I'm not sure how much I've actually picked up but it was more than I woke up with. Just like tax returns. If they were cut by 0.0001% that's 0.0001% more that I get to keep.


43 posted on 07/03/2006 3:44:22 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: freepatriot32
We save all our pennies. We now roll them, a lesson learned when we moved back home when we retired and discovered that the jars were extremely heavy. Took forever to roll them, they paid for our gas for the trip home.

Also save nickles and dimes. Some day we just may cash them in but for now they sit rolled up in a box.

44 posted on 07/03/2006 3:55:38 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: The_Reader_David

The military has been doing the same thing at commissaries and exchanges overseas for years. It cost too much to ship the pennies over so they have been rounding up and down; doesn't seem to have caused much of a problem.


45 posted on 07/03/2006 4:16:26 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: freepatriot32

Everyone can make their own pennies.

Draw circles on pieces of paper. Write "1¢" on the front of the cicle. On the back write: "This note is legal tender for all debts, private and public." Add in: "This note is redeemable for squat, backed by the full faith and credit of nothing."

Write your name and address on the back. When people knock on your door to redeem them, get a piece of paper out and write: "My reserve note."

Wait a minute. This is already done. Never mind...


46 posted on 07/03/2006 5:37:46 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: freepatriot32; upchuck; Seaplaner; USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Greenpees; Cobra64

Turn up yiur speakers for a great rendition of Frank Sinature singing the old classic,
"Pennies From Heaven For You And For Me."
.

47 posted on 07/03/2006 7:26:38 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Dustbunny

I roll ALL change. I save each coin in a box/bag/jar just for that coin (saves a lot of sorting later) and when I have a substantial amount, out come the rolls in front of the TV. The 'cashed in' bills go into my 'mad money' stash and I have purchased (over the years) 2 computer tables, a laptop computer and various 'toys' for MY toy room (old comic books and stuff from eBay I just HAD to have...).

I also have saved (in coin tubes) wheat pennies, 1 penny a year from each year since my husband was born, a quarter a year since they switched from silver (some day I plan to buy back to 1959), various odds and ends, and -of course- a book, a map, and a set of tubes just for the 'state' quarters.

We also buy 'double struck proof sets' straight from the mint. These are BEAUTIFUL... We give these as gifts as well (birth year for family babbies, grad year for grads, etc...).

We're a bit on the pack rat side... but I love my toys.


48 posted on 07/03/2006 8:22:53 AM PDT by Dyslexic Mom
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To: freepatriot32

The penny should be abandoned as well as the dollar bill. Replace the latter with the dollar coins and we'll all be set for a couple of decades more. Then we can target the nickel! :)


49 posted on 07/03/2006 9:09:10 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: freepatriot32
Pennies May Soon Be a Thing of the Past

I got plenty of pennies. I wouldn't mind a few dollars.

50 posted on 07/03/2006 9:11:31 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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