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Posted on 07/03/2006 5:50:34 AM PDT by conservativecorner
Where did you read this? Somewhere isn't much of a source.
Of course he's going to sign it. Sneak it through after mid-terms.
And if you seriously think the fascists in LaRaza are going to vote for any Republicans - up your Thorazine and Lithium meds, you're delirious.
That goes for the so-called genius Karl Rove too - in spades.
This isn't where I saw it but here is another source.
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm
You are full of it.
You are speaking apples and oranges.
We are talking about legal and illegal workers.
I assume you were legally working in GERMANY, not an illegal.
ping...
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Foreign workers can qualify with as few as 6 quarters of work, rather than 40 quarters (benefits would be prorated to reflect only credits earned in the United States); and
How about you learn to read (I posted a source after that), or even......*gasp* do your own research?
"Scroll down to July 10 on the schedule and find Senator Brownback amongst
the invited speakers"
Macain turned to the dark side and brought Lindsey Graham with him.
Specter was always lord of the dark side...
and now Brownback.
As soon as we give them the majority, some of these GOP senators turn to the dark side.
If the policy is cancelled during the paid term, the unused portion of the policy would be refunded.
I guess you missed the post about the guys that rent their Social Security number out to many illegals.
If you price it out, all she really paid for was disability insurance.
The vast majority of LaRaza supporters are illegal aliens.
Still want their votes?
Many people on these boards are well researched before they start posting. I have followed the Totalization Agreement with Mexico ever since it was proposed. Apparently you are new to the subject and need links.
Well here is another one. It explains why it is not in America's interest even better.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html
It's only "under the radar" for Fedgov, because they just don't care about this type of fraud, because it furthers the globalist agenda. Now, if I were to misreport my earnings, or miss filing a 1099 form, they jump on me immediately. The fact that they aren't pursuing these criminals is a clear indication that they don't give a damn about illegal aliens. Laws are for us, not for them.
http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05apr/econ_underground.htm
from an April 05 article, they hired 2200 IRS enforcement officers to MAKE SURE you pay your taxes.
"There's also no way in HELL that some 30 million Mexicans making minimum wage and below, could ever, ever, ever pay that much INTO the system."
30,000,000 mexicans x $4/hr x 2080 hr./yr x 15 years
= $3,744,000,000,000 Gross income
x 12% SS contributions = $449,280,000,000
Even over the first 5 years, it would still be over $100 billion. Of course this is all fiction, since there are nowhere near 30 million illegal alien workers in this country.
Same old story.....refuted with well-researched evidence. rofl
Yup. It dosn't pay to be a taxpaying citizen. If I could live with myself, I'd be one of the looters so I wouldn't have to worry about laws.
"the monies I put in there for my kids..."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Madam, but that money was spent by your elected representatives the nanosecond that it was received by the IRS.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, a fund in any true sense of the word. Just a line item in the National Debt.
"this money that she worked hard for will probably go to illegals in this country..."
Not that it's much comfort, but you can rest assured that all of the money she "contributed" was spent long ago.
I am very sorry for your loss, and I will keep you and your sister in my prayers.
Well I hate to break this news to you, but IF I had put it your way, noone would have understood me....I am a little bit smarter than that....have a great 4th...
Here's the catch 22. Are you going to vote for the commie/dem? No. Will you place your vote for a 3rd party candidate? We better because this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" can do whatever they want because they are a cartel & it MUST be broken.
Little known fact. Our government has tolerated illegal workers because the government has for years confiscated their pay through social security and income tax withholding. They may be working here illegally but Uncle Sam has been taking his share of the kitty knowing that the illegal will never claim his benefits.
Can you believe this? This government needs cleaning out, from rep to pres and all over....and for hell's sake, don't put a kkklinton back in office!!!!
"Government Speak" for GIVEAWAY!!!
The problem of multiple illegals using the same SSN has been around forever!
40 years ago I worked for the Social Security Administration and, whenever ther was "spare" time to do so, we had computer runs of employers in our district who had reported earnings on multiple individuals using the same SSN. Believe me, there is no way to really straighten out such messes after the fact (there is a substantial lag time between the faulty reporting and when the Social Security Administration finds out)!
Usually, the first person to file a claim on the number got the benefits and later individuals got squat! Now, I presume, EVERYBODY claiming work on a bogus number will receive benefits! Your welfare state at work!!!
>>But I think you are missing the main point in this. That is we want to have mexico raise kids. Then when they are adults, they work here. Then they go home to mexico to retire. That is the plan. That is high efficiency economics. What we need to do is ship some of our poor elderly and retired over there or to thailand or somewhere where it is a lot cheaper to care for them. This may be the eventual bail out for the ssi system.<<
It had never crossed my mind to look at it like that - thanks for the post.
Somewhere in this mess...there is a Bush appointee working to hand out legal SSN numbers. Every indication you see...points to illegals getting SSN numbers eventually...legally. Better prepare yourself for that announcement.
Thanks Clara.
The SSTF has no assets, just IOUs in the form of non-marketable T-bills, i.e., only the USG can redeem them. All this does is add to the overall liability of the SS system, which is pay as you go. The SSTF is included in the national debt as intragovernmental holdings.
What if American citizens don't want to go to Thailand for cheap care when they're old? Some plan. Do we get to vote on it?
As for your theory that Mexicans will raise their children in Mexico, ship them off here when they're adults, and then when they're old and sick, they'll dutifully go "home," it flies in the face of reality. Don't you know that our public schools are flooded with the children of illegals? If "we" want Mexico to raise its children, why are millions of them here illegally, draining our tax dollars?
Even over the first 5 years, it would still be over $100 billion. Of course this is all fiction, since there are nowhere near 30 million illegal alien workers in this country.
I'm no economist, but I see a couple of problems with your statistical analysis. First, for every illegal worker, there are many more not in the work force, either at home or children. And our jails are full of illegals, and something like 26% of our federal prison population consists of illegal aliens. It would be more accurate to say we may have 30 million illegal aliens and their children here, but of that, only about 4-5 million are actually working legitimate jobs (drug-dealing doesn't count). Also, the illegals wouldn't pay in 12% to SS. Their employers would pay half of it.
We also need to subtract the money they cost us. Healthcare, taxpayer-funded "free" education, crime (everything from drunk-driving to machete-wielding gangs), social services, and on and on.
How about some source for your "little-known fact"? I'd love to believe that illegals were actually giving taxpayers more than they cost us.
I think we will get to vote on it. Plan A will be reduce entitlements for the elderly. Anyone who wants to stay in the USA will pay dearly for it. Anyone who can't afford it, dies or gets shipped out. Plan B will be declaration of Bankruptcy for the USA. Which plan will you vote for.
Social Security as designed by FDR is supposed to work this way. It's a pyramid scheme where the majority of contributors were expected to die before the payout age. The reason Social Security is "broke" today is because the median lifespan has increased far beyond the payout age.
The pyramid is now upside down with more payees than payors and will collapse.
Social Security has been a tax payer rip off since the day it was instituted. I'm sorry you are just now realizing it.
Your numbers are wrong.
And here's how many illegals are in the US as of today: 29,145,283, and since Jan 1st --- 1,835,287
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/totalizationtranscript.html
Do a word search on "suspense" as in Earnings Suspense File.
This is only 7.5% of wages, not nearly what they are costing us but a lot of money to the "Suspense Fund".
Well of course you will.
After all, it's what you do when you belong to the party-above-principle wing of the Hispandering Big Tent GOP inhabited by liberals, moderates, RINOs and pretend-conservatives.
What are you doing on a conservative site like FR? Trolling for the pro-illegal alien crowd?
You're no conservative.
Your attitude would make any loyal American conservative puke.
Actually about double that if you include the employer's contribution.
If Rove had not aggressively gone after the Hispanic vote in 2004, John Kerry would be president. But for pathetic race pimps like yourself, who are no different than the Jesse Jackson's of the world, i.e. more interested in having an issue to perpetually be angry over and whine about, you would probably be happy, as long as none of those Hispanic's were in "the tent". Thank goodness you're nothing more than just a noisy barking little Chihuahua.
"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is
like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the
handle." ~Winston Churchill
SOCIAL SECURITY:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA)
Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400
of their annual incomes into the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program
would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust
Fund" rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no
other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as
income. Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now
receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that
we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal
government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent
"Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could
spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and
Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social
Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking"
deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President
of the U.S.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to illegal
immigrants?
MY FAVORITE:
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive
Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to
them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violation of the
original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that
the Republicans want to take your Social Security away! And the worst
part about it is, uninformed citizens believe it!
However, in light of S-2611, and the Bill's inclusion of illegal aliens into our Social
Security System, are the Republicans really serious about ever fixing it?
Yes SS can be fixed. First by moving it back to where it was when started...in a lock
box, forever away from greedy political paws. Next, have it administrated by a public
foundation with tamper proof cards, and not by our government that screwed it up.
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