Skip to comments.The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
Posted on 07/04/2006 8:42:50 AM PDT by DouglasKC
In Asia, Africa and Australia lives a remarkable creature, the archerfish, that shoots down its prey from the air above it with a burst of water. It uses its tongue and the top of its mouth to form a groove similar to a gun barrel. Then, by compressing its gills, it squirts water up to six feet with deadly accuracyin spite of the distortion caused by seeing the target from below the surface of water.
What's so amazing about the archerfish's ability to shoot straight? When light passes between air and water, it is refracted, which causes a distortion. If an archerfish simply aimed at the object where it appeared to be from below the water, it could never hit its target! Yet scientists have found that archerfish are able to strike their target when sighting upwards at angles of 40 degrees!
More amazingly, marine researchers have discovered that these fish can hit their prey whether the amount of refraction is large or small. They have also found that the fishes' binocular vision allows them to see clearly at considerable distances above them, an ability other fish do not have.
Here is an experiment. In a clear glass of water, hold a pencil at an angle halfway under the water and look at it from different positions. Notice how the pencil appears different below and above the water. That is the refraction of the light changing from the water to the air.
So how can the archerfish compensate for this distortion and know how to shoot at the right place?
Evolutionists don't know
Evolutionists still don't know how the archerfish got its amazing abilities. They can only wonder! Viewed through the distortion of evolution, they cannot explain how the archerfish gradually learned to not aim where its eyes see but to aim instead at a different spot where the target actually is.
Without its binocular vision, it could not see the object with such precision, and without the special shape of the upper mouth and a specialized tongue, it could not make the groove it needs to shoot the concentrated jet of water. Many factors have to appear togetherand be perfectly formedfor this shooting mechanism to work. This, of course, goes totally against Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory, which is based on a gradual, step-by-step process.
Darwin wrote in The Origin of Species, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down" (1859, p. 171).
The archerfish offers precisely such an example, since several complex systems must all appear at the same time, perfectly and not gradually formedbinocular vision, a specialized mouth and tongue, specialized gills to compress and expel water and an aiming system based in the brain and not in the eyes. If any of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not hit the target and no survival advantage is created.
Shooting down Darwin's theory
When you get down to the facts, the archerfish with one squirt of its gills shoots down Charles Darwin's entire theory of evolutionand that by Darwin's own admission!
So evolution doesn't have the answer to this mystery. But the Bible does. Genesis 1:20-21 says that God created all the creatures that live in the water. He created a great variety of perfectly formed fish, including the archerfish with all its special features, such as binocular vision, other specialized organs and a built-in ability to compensate for the distortion of the water. VT
Through his calling.
When did "God" design and built this fish?
He probably designed it before time began. He built it, according to the bible, on the fifth day:
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
By what methods, processes and/or mechanisms was this fish designed and built? How have you determined that the fish was "designed and built"?
I can only speculate about that because God only knows.
God did make the world in 7 days. The Bible implies relativity "1,000 years is like a day for you". Relativity tells us that the measure of time depends on the users reference point. So, the inspired word of God is that He made the world in seven days, even if we measure from our frame of reference in thousands of years or billions of years.
The ability to hit the target from an angle could easily have developed in small adjustments: the fish initially just does it vertically (90deg), where no refraction occurs, then learns to do it at 88deg, where there is a very small error, then 86deg and so on.
This wasn't about "creationists." Maybe they are all wet too. (Certainly it seems that there is some stuff around which is older than 6000 years old.) It was about evolution, and this was yet another counter example to that theory. So why did you bring up creationists?
And what about the fact the human legs are exactly long enough to reach the ground and articulated so as to allow them to run upright after prey? What would be the use of a body that was only partially upright to run down gazelles? Clearly another miracle. And an opposable thumb. How would a partially opposable thumb be useful for anything? Clearly, life is just chock-a-block with maracles too numerous to count.
Bump for reference.
Very succinctly put! This whole creation VERSUS evolution thing was made up of whole cloth in the 19th C. Evolution is part of God's magnificent creation: seven-day-literalists and militant atheists notwithstanding.
Because the God image they have fashioned is recognizable and identifiable. A God that can create the Earth and animals and stuff in a few days is easy to comprehend and deal with. Like Star Trek's "Q" without the attitude.
A God that can create an entire complex process that proceeds forward requiring millions (or billions) of years? That is a God that is too complex to deal with. Create a Universe with rules that mankind may never understand? Too humbling. Better that giraffes, chimps, starlings and ostriches all just come into existence *poof*. Much more manageable and you can actually get a simple mind around it.
well, that's that, so there .... And since that can pretty much be applied as a reply for any subject, why do we bother to study anything at all? .. Oh, wait, that's actually your point isn't it? There is no point to study or explain anything at all, God designed and built it that way and that's the answer to everything? I knew that's what I should have put down as answer in my Quantum Physics and Partial Differential Equation final exams :)
My copy of the bible mentions nothing about archerfish.
My copy of the bible doesn' talk about the process God used to create all the creatures of the water, or the time frame.
Sure it does...It says he made the fish after their kind...And it says he did it in one day...
I do know that God created the universe, and in doing so, created the laws of physics that govern all of His creation.
So how do you know this if you don't know the other???Your trouble is you don't want to believe what you read...
It might not of started as an instinct, but as an accident. The fish with the groove propelled water out randomly, occasionally striking insects, by chance. Because it got to feed on those accidentally struck insects, it had a survival advantage. Over generations, the accidental effect became an instinct.
A 72-ton carrier doesn't sound all that amazing :0)
And signed His Name to it, just like the flagellum that kills infants and children.
When was this exactly?
God created humor, too.
He?/She?Them? (Trinity) must be snickering at His?/Her?Their? children....trying to figure all this out.
Sure it does. It's amazing you could land any kind of airplane on one so small.
It's actually a little more complex than that. If you want to study quantum physics go for it. It's a great science and I'm sure we create wonderful things with the knowledge we gain from studying God's creation. However, the problem comes when we start thinking that the creation is the be all and end all.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Spooky, ain't it?
The way to become wise is to understand that you don't know anything and not to lean on your own understanding. Instead, trust that God speaks to his servants through scripture and will lead you into all truth.
Check out this link from Scientific American:
Not just a staple of science fiction, other universes are a direct implication of cosmological observations
By Max Tegmark
"Is there a copy of you reading this article? A person who is not you but who lives on a planet called Earth, with misty mountains, fertile fields and sprawling cities, in a solar system with eight other planets? The life of this person has been identical to yours in every respect. But perhaps he or she now decides to put down this article without finishing it, while you read on. The idea of such an alter ego seems strange and implausible, but it looks as if we will just have to live with it, because it is supported by astronomical observations. The simplest and most popular cosmological model today predicts that you have a twin in a galaxy about 10 to the 1028 meters from here. This distance is so large that it is beyond astronomical, but that does not make your doppelgänger any less real.".....
Seriously? It wasn't a "when" it was before (for want of a better word) the creation of space/time, before the creation of our physical universe.
Which is, I think, just a subprocess of the larger process, by which complex order emerges from chaos. That, in my opinion, God's ultimate miracle of creation.
This article is very similar to an article published in the Plain Truth magazine about 30 years ago. Nice to see it come around again...
Fascinating. What is the physical mechanism that defines the limits that cannot be crossed?
Actually that's an incorrect understanding. God designed nothing that kills. Death and destruction came about because of the rebellion of man and Satan.
Now that I agree with. It's a question, however, of whether he designed processes (and at what level) or end-products.
<< Mario Seiglie is a pastor of United Church of God congregations in Garden Grove, California, and Honolulu, Hawaii. >>
Stupid articles like this make it hard to take organized religion seriously.
So, when a zebra eats and kills grass, that is because he is a Satan infested sinner?
Self correcting DNA. From Molecular Biology of the Cell
For one, there are close to 50 predictions in the Bible that for-tell the events of Jesus' life on earth that have come to pass...
Mathematicians say that the odds of that happening are 1 in 10 (with 370 zeros after the ten)...That's far more than close enough for me...And should be for everyone...
So God didn't create Satan?
And I thank Him constantly for that.
That is a classic!!!
I haven't seen it in quite some time! Thanks for bringing it back out for us. :)
Not exactly. If you're truly interested I'll be glad to share it with you.
So, the lion that goes after a gazelle is just playing? Carnivores had no need for meat before Satan?
It is humbling that God created a process (Evolution) that ended up with such a beautifully complex thing such as a human being. It is sad that CRIDers put handcuffs on the ability of The Almighty.
Of course he did. But he created him with free will, just as he created us with free will.
And free will doesn't have the capacity to kill?
Apparently not. But don't worry, you'll most likely get to witness it in the future when the restoration of all things occurs:
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Douglas is on a roll today, don't try to throw him off track with any logic or common sense. I love when he posts, its like watching a slow motion train wreck.
Thanks for seeing my point. I wish I could be a certain as you about me being at the Pearly Gates to greet them, but at least I will know that Hubris isn't one of the reasons I didn't make the grade.
And I feverently hope it will be a long, long time before you "greet" anyone at those gates ;)
Puzzlement disproves evolution.
Where is the reference to how there was no killing before Satan?