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OBL & CIA
National Review ^ | 7-04-06 | James S. Robbins

Posted on 07/04/2006 11:04:19 AM PDT by ikez78

So CIA analysts concluded that Osama bin Laden wanted George Bush to win the 2004 election, and this is why he released a video tape just days before the election? If true, this is just more evidence that the spy agency needs a thorough cleaning.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 5thcolumn; bush; cia; democrats; obl; waronterror
Why is the CIA putting resources towards something like this instead of working to find terrorists?

Why are these types of people even in the CIA who would put together a "report" like this?

1 posted on 07/04/2006 11:04:21 AM PDT by ikez78
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To: ash-housewares; Peach; jveritas; jwalsh07; ladyinred; EQAndyBuzz; Marine_Uncle; ...

PING


2 posted on 07/04/2006 11:04:54 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/)
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To: ikez78

"Why are these types of people even in the CIA who would put together a "report" like this?"

The same ones who would leak vital national secrets to the NY crimes.


3 posted on 07/04/2006 11:06:11 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Bomb Hamistan back to the Stone Age paleos celebrated the 911 atrocities, now its their turn to die.)
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To: ikez78

I have heard this theory for weeks on AirAmerika..but, I just thought it was the same looney tunes, that still say that a plane did NOT hit the Pentagon.

I didn't know the CIA was actually pushing this ridiculous thought..

Get rid of them...and start over. Anyone that was there before 2001...out!


4 posted on 07/04/2006 11:08:44 AM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--INDEPENDENCE DAY--TEXAS FREEPERS,we have been challenged...please donate!)
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To: ikez78

The CIA needs to be abolished and replaced with something built from the ground up over a peroid of 10 years.


5 posted on 07/04/2006 11:09:48 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: ikez78
"The Agency" is a joke because The Agency is populated by nitwit Stalinist fruicakes from our elite universities.

They generally work for the other side - or they're too stupid to understand that America really isn't North Korea.

6 posted on 07/04/2006 11:10:02 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: ikez78

These people are like college freshmen shooting sh!t in the dorm.

They have lost all respect and are becoming a laughingstock.

Whatever a laughingstock is.


7 posted on 07/04/2006 11:12:04 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: ikez78
The CIA, together with The New York Slimes, Al Quaeda's best friends in America.
The BJ Klinton legacy continues to haunt America.
8 posted on 07/04/2006 11:12:09 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: ikez78
What was his name Occam, was it Occam's razor?

We all had known up until now that one of the problems in waging the war against terror is that our enemy does not have a firm grip on reality including but not limited to natural science, economics, and a basic understanding of America, or the whole Western world.

Now the question arises whether the anti-Bush cabal in the CIA or crazed Islamists have a weaker hold on reality?


9 posted on 07/04/2006 11:14:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Paladin2
"The CIA needs to be abolished and replaced with something built from the ground up over a peroid of 10 years."

Agree.
The CIA is beyond repair.
Time to liquidate that treasonous outfit.
The current CIA people spend 90% of their time leaking classified national security secrets to The Slimes, so they can pass it on to their Al Quaeda pals, and the rest of their time trashing America.
10 posted on 07/04/2006 11:16:37 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: ikez78

How much influence might a former CIA Head yeild, especially one that has kennedy-level wealth behind him?



..................just wondering


11 posted on 07/04/2006 11:16:56 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: ikez78
And now word comes that the Agency is disbanding the dedicated bin Laden team? Under the circumstances that sounds like a very good move.

My thoughts exactly when I read the team was being disbanded. If they couldn't get it done in the ten years the agency admits the team existed, there is no reason to think they can get it done in another ten years.

I hadn't realized that the Agency was thinking that OBL wanted the president to win in '04. Honestly, what is in the water at the CIA that they would come up with such nonsense.

12 posted on 07/04/2006 11:19:50 AM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet

Another interesting view of the MSM's clandestine reporting service....


13 posted on 07/04/2006 11:20:34 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Jameison
The history of NYT and CIA people hanging out together apparently goes back to the 50s/60s according to some of the on-line history of the NYT.

We know that the DBM is used to having inside sources for their "news" instead of actually covering/researching topics on their own. With W, the DBM has been forced to run more targeted "polls" to create "news" along the lines they want to publish.

14 posted on 07/04/2006 11:24:30 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: ikez78

BUMP FReeper comments! Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 07/04/2006 11:29:35 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Reactionary

Do those on the left really believe that with the war Osama got what he wanted ....infadels in Afghanistan and Iraq wiping out the Taleban and Sadams regime?

I think Osama assumed we would be like the Russians and get totally bogged down


16 posted on 07/04/2006 11:30:12 AM PDT by woofie
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To: squarebarb
Shooting sh#t in the dorm is a great way of putting it, but you a witnessing how the left rewrites history.

This fictional script, this storyline of OBL vs Bush, and OBL being the winner, is exactly the template of leftwing elites who teach our children and write history books.

Bastards all.
17 posted on 07/04/2006 11:37:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: BIGLOOK
First o all, why should we believe this nonsense? Where is the proof? Maybe we believe cause we want it to be true?

Second, some people that think that OBL is wise to the ways of our media while at the same time don`t believe that the terrorists are helped when the Murtha`s of this world open their mouths.
18 posted on 07/04/2006 11:37:08 AM PDT by bybybill (`IF THE RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Paladin2
As JKF said: Shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind.
19 posted on 07/04/2006 11:41:50 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (NY Times + CIA Leakers = Culture of Treason)
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To: ikez78
OBL certainly must have known his reemergence would have some effect, but it appears he made a miscalculation. It might be as simple as; "I'm still heeerrreeee.....W hasn't caught me. Vote for the other guys."

OBL probably knew that the "other guys" wouldn't do squat to catch him, but so did the voting public.

20 posted on 07/04/2006 12:06:28 PM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: Blue State Insurgent
It appears the Carter/Clinton Administrations succeeded in the final acts and appointments needed to convert the CIA into a shit magnet for leftists...

By now, it has probably reached the point of becoming unsalvageable...

Even in the mid 60's -- the "civilians in action" that operated in I Corps were certifiable assholes of the first order... Of the few I personally met or knew of -- NONE seemed to be playing with a full deck...

Our Gunny actually threatened OUT LOUD one of the jerks if he ever again returned to our position uninvited.....he never returned..

Semper Fi

21 posted on 07/04/2006 12:09:21 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: ikez78

In the CIA unit dedicated to finding bin Laden failure is not an option. It's standard equipment.


22 posted on 07/04/2006 12:10:02 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: ikez78

No wonder why we have not capture Bin Laden so far, if there are a**holes in the CIA hate President Bush more than Bin Laden.


23 posted on 07/04/2006 12:10:04 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: nathanbedford

The strong lines of synergy between the islamofascist ali babas and the quislings infesting the NY Slimes/MSM, etc, significantly validate their grim insanity, with ripple effects among many of our white-livered political elites. How else to explain our absolute refusal to punish severely the enablers and financial supporters of the islamofascists - in Iran, Syria and Saudi. Our leaders' verbal threats against all of the above [not to mention the North Korean headcase] sound more and more like those frequently uttered by Krinton.


24 posted on 07/04/2006 12:12:21 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: saveliberty

I have to agree with Robbins on this one. Happy 4th, sl.


25 posted on 07/04/2006 12:12:48 PM PDT by Bahbah (Democrat Motto: Why not the worst)
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To: ikez78

What does Osama Bin Laden have to do with the Culinary Institute of America?


26 posted on 07/04/2006 12:15:31 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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To: jveritas

and we still don't know the real story behind the hasty Goss exit.


27 posted on 07/04/2006 12:38:08 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Bedford Forrest
The intriguing question which had troubled me until recently was why in God's name would the left fail to support, indeed, even sabotage a war against Islamic fundamentalists whose every doctrinal breath is anathema to the left?

There is a parallel thread about Marxist taking over our school system, IN UNION WITH MARX (Pres. of NYC School Supv's is proud marxist)http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1660288/posts in which one sees it all beginning to come together and offer a bit of an explanation for this glaring paradox.

My view is that the left is behaving as its always did, that is, it is more concerned about winning its own war for dominance and will worry about an external enemy later. A glaring example of this selfishness is reflected in the life of Mao Tse-tung who callously sacrificed his own troops to gain the upper hand over other communists. He risked losing the whole of China to the Japanese rather than compromise his grab for power.

So I think the left is so arrogant, as arrogant as it ever was before the fall of communism, that it believes he can deal with the islamo fascists after it disposes of Western democracy as we know it.


28 posted on 07/04/2006 1:01:10 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: woofie
"I think Osama assumed we would be like the Russians and get totally bogged down."

Either that, or he assumed the nitwit "liberals" in the media would spin American defeat no matter what happened on the ground.

29 posted on 07/04/2006 1:02:26 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: ikez78

The "spy" agency was created to SPY on US! Gotta think in reverse razamataz logicical omigosh.


30 posted on 07/04/2006 1:52:29 PM PDT by Waco
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To: ikez78
Given the Islamist mindset that they wish to bring about Armageddon (their version of it anyway), then it's possible that OBL might have wanted to Bush to win...but if he were simply looking for a respite and a chance to regain strength then he'd want the cut and run party to win...so I suppose the question is simply...is OBL rational? If he is, he wanted the dems to win, if he's not he wanted Bush to win.
31 posted on 07/04/2006 4:19:45 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: ikez78
From the opening: "So CIA analysts concluded that Osama bin Laden wanted George Bush to win the 2004 election..."
According to who? Is it verifiable. As some have indicated in their responses in this post, the CIA folks are dopes, far left libs, fruitbats etc..
But somehow I don't think the whole agency is permeated with total meatheads. And realistically the CIA cannot be disbanded, anymore then say one might suggest the liberalized DOS should be.
One thing we all would most probably agree upon, is the CIA has for a long time slowly been taken over by the left, influx of liberal educated people. In order to revamp the institution in a new direction is not going to be easy to do. One cannot expect to just put in a director of a given political ideology and expect years of mindset to be transformed. Same goes with the State Department.
These agencies have over a period of time been transformed into a new animal. And quite frankly in the case of the DOS one can go back to pre WWII and see certain changes that had taken place, that pointed to a less sovereign oriented agency.
FDR and his cronies spawned the seeds for change in the whole US government. We continue to see the fruits born from seeds that where less patriotic then many realize.
32 posted on 07/04/2006 7:51:30 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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