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Debris Falls Off Shuttle After Launch
Sky News ^ | July 4, 2006

Posted on 07/04/2006 1:53:42 PM PDT by HAL9000

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To: cowdog77

Foam loss has been on every mission, and the last mission returned the cleanest orbiter.

Shuttle has 18 more flights, then its the simple and reliable Ares flights.


21 posted on 07/04/2006 2:55:27 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: HAL9000

Aside from filling the news for several days and prolonging this tired program until someone gets a better idea, why are we still taking this thing into orbit, spending time repeating old experiments on the space station and generally burning money just to show that we can?


22 posted on 07/04/2006 3:01:50 PM PDT by catpuppy
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To: Blueflag

Right you are, Right you are, Right you are, but that doesn't change the power the Greenies have.


23 posted on 07/04/2006 3:02:08 PM PDT by Sundog (The trouble with liberals isn't that they're ignorant:It's just that they know so much that isn't so)
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To: patton
Main engines can't be pure H2 + O2 - you can see the fire.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that an H2/O2 flame won't be visibile under any conditions, but that is indeed what the Shuttle's main engines use for fuel.

Here's a hydrogen flame -- looks pretty visible to me:

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24 posted on 07/04/2006 3:02:31 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon

I don't recall seeing any flames on the Hindenburg!

LOL


25 posted on 07/04/2006 3:03:48 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: catpuppy

We got to finish the ISS so that we can use it up to its fullest extent.

This flight puts equipment onboard that will allow for a crew of 6 to work up there. Other flights will haul up the remaining truss structure and labs and living space.


26 posted on 07/04/2006 3:05:12 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I don't recall seeing any flames on the Hindenburg!

LOL! Good point.


27 posted on 07/04/2006 3:06:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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28 posted on 07/04/2006 3:07:07 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: HAL9000

This just in:

Debris reportedly falls of Taepodong-2, shortly after launch.


29 posted on 07/04/2006 3:08:21 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Yo no soy Marinaro. Soy Condista.)
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To: Blueflag

You mean the old Pre-Algore foam made by using FREON, don'tcha? I'm tellin you this great nation is beginning to show way too many signs of GANG-GREEN!!!


30 posted on 07/04/2006 3:09:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: HAL9000

The headline says it fell off of the shuttle, but the story seems to make clear it fell from the external tank--in this case, a huge difference.


31 posted on 07/04/2006 3:09:59 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Ichneumon

I rather doubt that is a typical hydrogen/oxygen flame. When the shuttle engines light they show close-ups, and you can see right throught the flame.

I watch the shuttle launches from Jacksonville, and when the solid bosters stop, I can no longer see the launch, even at night.


32 posted on 07/04/2006 3:10:01 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Beelzebubba
"Public Transportation"

There it is!!! You nailed it!!! And built by the lowest bidder, "cheaper, better, faster!"

33 posted on 07/04/2006 3:12:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: burzum

Where did you come up with this? I don't believe it for a minute. There were way too many MSM articles about this being the cause of the last shuttle disaster to have ALL been wrong!!! GANG-GREEN KILLS!!!


34 posted on 07/04/2006 3:17:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Apropos the hindenberg, what you see are the burning carbon gasses produced by the fabric, not the Hydrogen. Yellow flame is burning carbon.


35 posted on 07/04/2006 3:17:37 PM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: cowdog77

And don't forget NO (New Orleans!)


36 posted on 07/04/2006 3:18:42 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: Ichneumon

Maybe the case is, the shuttle exhaust is so hot (3200 degrees), it burns natural atmoshpheric carbon, thus creating the yellow flames. If so, that would make it a net consumer of carbon, and thus a CURE for global warming...LOL.


37 posted on 07/04/2006 3:20:09 PM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: wolfpat
The SRBs are made in Utah, Modale is from Minnesota. There is a Utah connection. The head of NASA was James Fletcher (from Utah) and it was said he was the reason Morton Thiokil's(sp?) multi segmented booster got the contract when Aerojet's one piece design made in Florida lost out to Thiokil.

Keep in mind this is mostly coming from my memory from reading the book, "Challenger, a Major Malfunction".

38 posted on 07/04/2006 3:20:52 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: SierraWasp
It is in the CAIB report Vol 1. Look up BX-250 foam. Some excerpts:

Page 51 (a useful diagram is on the same page):

Most of the External Tank is insulated with three types of spray-on foam. NCFI 24-124, a polyisocyanurate foam applied with blowing agent HCFC 141b hydrochlorofluorocarbon, is used on most areas of the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen tanks. NCFI 24-57, another polyisocyanurate foam applied with blowing agent HCFC 141b hydrochlorofluorocarbon, is used on the lower liquid hydrogen tank dome. BX-250, a polyurethane foam applied with CFC-11 chlorofluorocarbon, was used on domes, ramps, and areas where the foam is applied by hand.

Page 54:

The Board has concluded that the physical cause of the breakup of Columbia upon re-entry was the result of damage to the Orbiterʼs Thermal Protection System, which occurred when a large piece of BX-250 foam insulation fell from the left (–Y) bipod assembly 81.7 seconds after launch and struck the leading edge of the left wing.

39 posted on 07/04/2006 3:27:53 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: burzum
Well, speaking of events...

You're correct CFC 11 (BX-250), but - only literally.

BX-250 was banned in 2001 in favor of HCFC 141b, an agent friendlier to the environment. The EPA allowed to continue use of recycled or recovered CFC 11 until HCFC 141b was certified for use on the Shuttle.

Mandated by EPA use of the recycled foam caused much larger than before break-offs and doomed Columbia.

Just like ban on asbestos doomed Challenger.
40 posted on 07/04/2006 3:30:56 PM PDT by alecqss
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