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Flags burn in celebration
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | July 4, 2006 | GENEVIEVE BOOKWALTER

Posted on 07/04/2006 3:31:16 PM PDT by RetroSexual

About 25 revelers celebrated their freedom of speech and welcomed the Fourth of July on Monday night with the "2nd Annual Old Time American Flag Burn."

Around a burn barrel at Seabright State Beach, organizer Brent Adams, 41, of Santa Cruz, declared flag burning not a protest, but a celebration of the Constitution's First Amendment.

"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

The festivities were especially relevant after a constitutional amendment allowing Congress to ban flag desecration died in the Senate last week.

That proposal came in response to Supreme Court rulings in 1989 and 1990 that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech by the First Amendment.

But it failed by one vote in the Senate to reach the two-thirds approval required before going to the states for ratification.

"The Senate overruled it by one vote, and let's celebrate it," Lar said. Some at the celebration noted that in other countries, they could be shot for torching the national flag.

Poison Oak, 35, of Aptos, said he wanted to "reclaim the flag. Not only those who support President George W. Bush can wave the red white and blue."

Still, not everyone on the beach appreciated stars and stripes melting over the fire.

"I think they should keep it to themselves," said Bill Crawford, 16, of Aptos, who was on the beach with buddies Elijah Manchester and Jacob Kendall, both 16 and from Santa Cruz.

The trio looked away as flames consumed the large and small flags.

"To me this is what represents our nation and what represents our freedom," Manchester said. He questioned why the group would want to burn the symbol of free speech.

Despite their different views, those who didn't agree with flag burning were still welcome at the event, said Igliashon Jones, 23, of Santa Cruz. Free speech is what it was all about.

"I don't think this would be what it is without debate," Jones said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; burning; california; constitution; despicable; expletivedeleted; flag; flagburning; foul; freaks; fringeleft; hippies; intoleranthippies; losers; oldglory; repulsive; santacruz; scum; unprintablecusswords; vile; weirdos
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Bastards.
1 posted on 07/04/2006 3:31:18 PM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: RetroSexual

If they wanted demonstrate free speech, they should've burned other countries' flags where such activities are illegal or liable to get you taken behind your house and shot.

Burning the American flag as a demonstration of free speech is not a positive demonstration of free speech. In fact, it is just the opposite.


2 posted on 07/04/2006 3:34:49 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

What an a-hole.

Some at the celebration noted that in other countries, they could be shot for torching the national flag.

So why not burn THOSE flags, since that protest would mean something, as opposed to burning the flag of the country that ALLOWS such a display? If you're truly looking to make a statement about freedom, why not burn the flag of a country that doesn't allow it, here?

said he wanted to "reclaim the flag. Not only those who support President George W. Bush can wave the red white and blue."

Notice that liberals are the ones who always bring this up? Supporters of the President never say "we're the only ones who can wave the flag." But the liberal pursuit of the Victim Pose is never-ending.

3 posted on 07/04/2006 3:35:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: RetroSexual

Burn in hell you anti-Americans!


4 posted on 07/04/2006 3:35:18 PM PDT by HansGygi
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To: coconutt2000

But I'm sure that burning the Gay Pride flag in Santa Cruz is considered a hate crime.


5 posted on 07/04/2006 3:35:56 PM PDT by MarkeyD (The patriotism of the New York Times = The humanity of an Islamic terrorist.)
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To: coconutt2000

They should have burned their underwear...while they were still wearing them!


6 posted on 07/04/2006 3:36:21 PM PDT by HansGygi
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To: RetroSexual
[The aptly named] Poison Oak, 35, of Aptos, said he wanted to "reclaim the flag.

He wants to 'wave the flag' by burning it.

I don't know about this guy -- but generally speaking, in my opinion, only a drug addled America hating scumbag could ever conceive of such a notion.

7 posted on 07/04/2006 3:37:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: HansGygi

The article should have been footnoted that

"The Associated Press often contributes to this movement"


8 posted on 07/04/2006 3:37:24 PM PDT by Stayfree (Check out our Flush Hillary Calendar at FLUSH HILLARY CALENDAR.COM!)
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To: HansGygi

Maybe they will next time they have their head so far up their @ss that they can't see what they are doing!


9 posted on 07/04/2006 3:40:06 PM PDT by Stayfree (Check out our Flush Hillary Calendar at FLUSH HILLARY CALENDAR.COM!)
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To: RetroSexual

Free speech? So I guess it's okay to burn the flags of France, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and the PRC?


10 posted on 07/04/2006 3:42:10 PM PDT by saveliberty (Happy Independence Day!)
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To: RetroSexual

It's not called Kalifornia with their dream of Amerika for nothing.


11 posted on 07/04/2006 3:43:53 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: RetroSexual

"Because we can". This is so childish.


12 posted on 07/04/2006 3:44:11 PM PDT by llevrok (The United States of America. , est. 1776)
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To: RetroSexual

13 posted on 07/04/2006 3:48:41 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Darkwolf377

Notice that liberals are the ones who always bring this up? Supporters of the President never say "we're the only ones who can wave the flag."

@@@@

Lefties had disassociated themselves from the flag for so long, that when it appeared to be everywhere after Sept 11, 2001, and they could not bully us into not wearing or waving it, they had to blame conservatives for the fact that they did not have any emotional or physical connection to the flag. So they started saying they were going to "take back the flag." Even politicians running for offices made this ridiculous statement in front of cameras and audiences.

They will never take responsibility for anything they do.


14 posted on 07/04/2006 3:50:20 PM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can,"

Like the Constititutional right to get drunk and stupid and blather out any idiot thing.

Remember, free speech != smart speech (or even relevant speech)

15 posted on 07/04/2006 3:51:01 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Yes, I used this same joke on Flag Day. So sue me. It's America.)
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To: RetroSexual

Too bad noboy used their free speech to put a hose on their flags before they could burn them.


16 posted on 07/04/2006 3:55:14 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: RetroSexual
Would it be 'insensitive' to burn one of these?


17 posted on 07/04/2006 3:56:51 PM PDT by Libloather (They can't privatize Social Security but they can find a way to give it to illegal aliens...)
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To: RetroSexual

"Bastards."

That's what they want you to say. Every post to this thread is giving these mental midgets their jollies. "We're relevant!" they're thinking.

I'm sorry this article was printed--it's pure puffery--and I'm sorry it was posted. It will bring nothing but joy to these Rats.


18 posted on 07/04/2006 3:57:48 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: Darkwolf377
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

Maybe they should try burning some crosses "just because they can" and see what happens....

19 posted on 07/04/2006 4:01:18 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can are f^#king morons," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

There, I made a slight correction. BTW, Would it be a good idea for me to beat this little "Sha Lar" POS into a coma? I'm sure I can, so why not?

20 posted on 07/04/2006 4:03:04 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

Moron.

21 posted on 07/04/2006 4:05:30 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: maica
Of course not, that's no fun.

Notice how their "taking back the flag" thing never goes anywhere, because the reaction is "Who's stopping you from showing the flag?" And of course, after they periodically find their love of the flag, it's gone once the cameras aren't around, and they go right back to showing their "Peace" and "UN" and rainbow flags, which are the only ones they can really get behind. (yawn)

22 posted on 07/04/2006 4:06:28 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: FreedomCalls
Maybe they should try burning some crosses "just because they can" and see what happens...

They'd respond by saying "But that symbolizes something we're against"...as opposed to burning the flag. A revealing attitude.

23 posted on 07/04/2006 4:07:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

The amendment to stop this crap failed by one vote: and one of the voters against it was 12,000 year old Robert Byrd who is up for re-election. He might get re-elected, of course, because he in the King of Pork. However, whether he can vote next time remains to be seen. The other WV Senator had better sense and voted affirmative.
Of course the second annual flag burning may not be the last annual flag burning, but the burners will (a) be doing it elsewhere than in the U.S.; or (b)doing it here because they want some warm place where food is provided; or (c) they like the stories they have heard about prison homosexuality, or (d) they are just the harmless but nettlesome prickly pears who need something to do after sucking the bong all day, with a snort of coke as a chaser later in the early evening.


24 posted on 07/04/2006 4:09:19 PM PDT by mathurine (ua)
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To: Libloather

I was thinking the same thing. With names like Poison Oak and Sha Lar I bet they fly the rainbow flag.

25 posted on 07/04/2006 4:18:42 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: RetroSexual

Getting folks riled up is their goal...it apparently works...


26 posted on 07/04/2006 4:19:55 PM PDT by dakine
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To: RetroSexual
If burning the flag is an exercise of free speech, can we consider such flag-burning as equivalent to the uttering of "fighting words" and beat the crap out of the flag burners? We would be performing an act of free speech ourselves, I should think.

Or could flag-burning be considered "hate speech" and therefore be subject to fine and imprisonment?

How about incitement to riot? Public burning without a permit?

27 posted on 07/04/2006 4:20:22 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: RetroSexual
Backwards ass, California city f---s.

Ah, much more fitting saying now.

28 posted on 07/04/2006 4:28:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Doug Loss
If burning the flag is an exercise of free speech, can we consider such flag-burning as equivalent to the uttering of "fighting words" and beat the crap out of the flag burners?

Yes. I would hope the courts would agree. It should be treated the same as if it was a cross that was burned. Go burn a cross and see if anyone who attacks you is protected by the law. I'll bet no charges would be brought (unlike if it were a flag).

29 posted on 07/04/2006 4:32:22 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: maica

BUMP! to your post.

Still, it's funny to see them fight to "take back the flag" so they can burn it!


30 posted on 07/04/2006 4:33:12 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: RetroSexual

Barf alert! Those people make me sick!


31 posted on 07/04/2006 4:34:42 PM PDT by Bangupjob
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To: RetroSexual

What would their reaction have been if some one showed up with U.N. flags to burn?

Notice this is Santa-Cruz, Kommifornia.
You know, the same insane bunghole that elects avowed communist as mayor, the community that happily accepted Angela Davis a regent at the local university.


32 posted on 07/04/2006 4:38:09 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: coconutt2000

They've shown that they are idiots for all the world to see.


33 posted on 07/04/2006 4:40:06 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: FreedomCalls
Maybe they should try burning some crosses "just because they can" and see what happens....

Wonderful idea. If I still live in the area next year, I'll give it a go.

34 posted on 07/04/2006 4:41:34 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: lesser_satan

Neal Boortz had an interesting idea. He said that flag burning should be allowed as a first amendment issue, and that we should make a federal law protecting flag burners which says anyone beating the crap out of a flag burner shall be arrested and fined one dollar.


35 posted on 07/04/2006 4:45:01 PM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

"It seems like a good idea to kick these turds in the teeth just because we can," added Freeper Triggerhippie, 38, of St. Augustine.

36 posted on 07/04/2006 4:47:08 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: stands2reason

I saw one man today at our town's Fourth of July parade, carrying two 'War is not the Answer' [white words on a UN blue background] signs. Boy, did he look out of place! He even looked a bit uncomfortable, just too many American flags and happy Americans for his 'sensibilities.'

People who want the UN to put the US in its place are idiots as far as I am concerned. I do not give them the time of day!


37 posted on 07/04/2006 4:58:20 PM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RetroSexual

I wonder if smoking a cigarette in Santa Cruz is protected?


38 posted on 07/04/2006 4:59:33 PM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RetroSexual

Poison Oak? Who the heck names their kid 'Poison'? Known to all three of his friends as 'Scratch'.


39 posted on 07/04/2006 5:03:14 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: RetroSexual
"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can,"

I wonder if they would be willing to put their lives on the line to defend the flag (and everything it stands for) if we were under attack ?

40 posted on 07/04/2006 5:05:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
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To: RetroSexual

I would be tempted to toast the guy with a shot of Bacardi 151... right as he is lighting the flag... of course, if someone bumped my elbow and it landed all over him.. well, that is just tough, ain't it?


41 posted on 07/04/2006 5:06:57 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: maica
"People who want the UN to put the US in its place are idiots as far as I am concerned."

Agreed. Anyone with at least two functioning brain cells knows that the UN is totally incapable of ... well ... anything (with the possible exception of harboring vast corruption).

42 posted on 07/04/2006 5:07:22 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: oldbrowser
I wonder if they would be willing to put their lives on the line to defend the flag (and everything it stands for) if we were under attack ?

You have to view these people for what the are, Parasites.

43 posted on 07/04/2006 5:07:37 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Californians with entirely too much money and too much time on their hands. Think, what a horrible death it is to die a coward, and Santa Cruz, Aptos and Capitola are filled with people who will never be missed.


44 posted on 07/04/2006 5:07:44 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: 6SJ7

If he tried burning the flag in my town, his nickname would soon be "Stumpy".


45 posted on 07/04/2006 5:09:06 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Sender

That's a pretty good idea.


46 posted on 07/04/2006 5:10:00 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: RetroSexual

Just make sure that the anti-American Left gets plenty of exposure. The more Americans get their message, the faster the Left will drop into the oubliette of history where it belongs.


47 posted on 07/04/2006 5:13:12 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush and his supurb leadership.)
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To: RetroSexual
Surprised there wasn't a [BARF ALERT!] notation for this thread. Well here is the official notification:

BARF ALERT!!!!!!!


48 posted on 07/04/2006 5:35:02 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: RetroSexual

The only thing they have to do is burn the flag of their country for fun ?. If that is the only way they can celebrate a holiday like this is burn the flag they better take my advise , get a job , earn a living and better still get a life period!


49 posted on 07/04/2006 5:36:29 PM PDT by betsyross1776
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To: RetroSexual

""It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz."

'because we can'.....sounds like a 'Toonism.


50 posted on 07/04/2006 5:40:59 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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