Deborah Lipstadt has it covered:
Posted on 07/04/2006 4:15:56 PM PDT by pabianice
Lebanon's New TV: 'Contradictions, Lies, and Exaggerations' in Number Killed in 'Jewish Holocaust'
On June 21, 2006, Lebanon's New TV aired an interview with U.S. author Norman Finkelstein, who wrote the book The Holocaust Industry. In the introduction to the interview, the New TV narrator asserted, "Never has there been an issue subject to as many contradictions, lies, and exaggerations regarding the number of victims as the issue of the Jewish Holocaust." In his interview, Finkelstein stated that the number of the Jewish survivors from the Holocaust had been grossly inflated by the "Holocaust industry" in order to blackmail Europe.
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The following are excerpts from the interview:
New TV: "Never has There Been an Issue Subject to as Many Contradictions, Lies, and Exaggerations Regarding the Number of Victims as the Jewish Holocaust"
Report: "The 'Holocaust' is the Jewish term for burning the sacrificial offering to ashes. Never has there been an issue subject to as many contradictions, lies, and exaggerations regarding the number of victims as the issue of the Jewish Holocaust. The number of people killed in the Holocaust was estimated, in the film Night and Fog by the French director Alain Resnais, to be between eight and nine million, on the basis of documents invented by the Jews. The number dropped to four million Jews in the Soviet report to the Nuremburg trials. The figure dropped further, to 300,000 victims, according to British historian David Irving, and reached only 50,000, according to Raul Hilberg the Jew.
"Given the statistical contradictions in the number of Holocaust victims, the French intellectual Roger Garaudy asks how the truth can be determined. The Holocaust Industry, by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, recounts how the Jews of the world have turned Jewish suffering at the hands of the Nazis into a political and ideological industry in order to garner support for Israel, and into a source of economic extortion, which has yielded inconceivable sums for the Jews and their organizations, using as a pretext the so-called victims of the Nazi annihilation operations."
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An apt comparison. Thanks.
Deborah Lipstadt has it covered:
Sigh.
The 'Holocaust' is not a Jewish term.
Why do these people even get an audience?
Total lie. Hilberg concluded a total of 5 million.
Let the anti-Semites and their friends on the Left expose their insane hatreds. More Jews like me become die-hard Conservatives and American patriots every day.
This definition agrees with you.
Definitions of Holocaust on the Web:
From the Greek: "holos" (completely) and "kaustos" (burned sacrificial offering).
The word, Holocaust, derives from Greek words, meaning complete destruction, usually by fire.
(Greek, "the destruction of life by fire")
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bttt
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Finkelstein does not claim there were few victims as Lebanon's New TV implies. He claims that there were few survivors, only about 100,000, because the Nazis were so efficient. He limits the definition of "survivor" to one who survived the camps, rather than one who hid or fled, or wasn't rounded up in time.
His thesis is that the slaughter of the Jews was not unique, and the survivors were few, so the world doesn't owe them anything - but that's not enough for the anti-Israel propaganda machine - they have to distort that thesis as well.
Mrs VS
I think to the Nazis, the destruction of Jews and others WAS their religion. But I understand your point.
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Good grief your kidding! I met a couple in NY city that hid in Poland and had 2 small children. He would sneak out at night and steal food. All their family, on both sides, died in the camps. And this yahoo thinks they're not survivors?
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It just proves again that liberalism IS a mental illness.
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Utter nonsense. The Nazi policy of exterminating Jews has been so well documented, there is no room for argument. The Nazi regime itself kept extensive documentation of what it was doing. What happened to the Jews of Europe? How is it that 90% of the Polish Jewish population disappeared? The answer to these questions are well known. The Germans went so far as to put Jewish American prisoners of war in labor camps.
Very well-stated.
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In the Dec. '05 issue of Commentary magazine there was a review of Gunter Levy's book on the 1914-15 Armenian catastrophe in which some three-quarters of a million were slaughtered.
The opening line in the article is THIS: "The term "genocide", coined in 1944 by the Polish-Jewish emigre lawyer Raphael Lemkin, was meant to describe Hitler's then-on-going campaign to exterminate the Jews of Europe."
IS THAT SETTLED? Having said that, the absurdity of those who choose to deny the holocaust is beyond rational comprehension. Those people probably still believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!! Beyond help!
Where did anyone dispute terminology?
GRRRRR.
I think I'd better stop there.
I really hate seeing such idiocy about such a horrendous event in the history of the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Rummel uses the term "Democide". His web site is often useful, typically for throwing in the face of lefties.
The bulk of the Jews that died at the hands of the Nazis came from Poland where over 3 million lived. The most common estimate that I've seen is 2.5 million dead. But also remember that the Nazis slaughtered about 1.5 million Catholic Poles as well (a part of the story that is often overlooked).
The rest of the murdered Jewish civilians came from the Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, France, Italy and the Balkan States.
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>>So the Jews can collect more money per survivor?? Ahh, now we're on the oldest anti-Semitic trope. The Jewish love of money. What has been paid in compensation to Israel and survivors does not come close to making the Jewish people whole. You can't put monetary value on human lives destroyed, which by definition are irreplaceable. But don't expect Finkelstein to bring that up the next time he rants about the alleged nefarious doings of the "Holocaust industry."<<
Jeez... slightly sicker than I gave them credit for.
It is my understanding that significant sourcing for the fate of the Jews comes just from that--the Nazis were very good record keepers. They did use euphemisms for extermination, such as "relocated." I am certainly no scholar on this. The only book I have ever read on Jews in WWII was a most interesting one by the name of "Stella" written by a Berlin Jew about the thousands of Jews like him kept in Berlin to work there. Stella was a beautiful Jewess married to an SS man who became a Jew-catcher for the Reich. The most fascinating take away for me was that this group of sophisticated Jews as late 1944 did NOT know that their relatives and friends were being executed.
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Lemkin certainly considered the Turks actions in Armenia genocide, it provided the direction of this career. He coined the term as a unique replacement for his proposed crime of Acts of Barbarity, an international offense he first proposed in 1933. Ironically the European community was having a problem defining terrorism at the time.
Two thoughts on this subject. 1. The Nazis kept records of how many people they murdered. 2. Holocaust is not a Jewish word, it is defined as "a devastating fire".
The answer to your question and all others can be found at Nizker.org or the US Holocaust Memorial site.
Correction: Nizkor.org
Yeah, and 'British historian David Irving is somewhat of a less than reputable source (cough, cough). He sued for libel in a British court in 1998, lost big time, and was thoroughly discredited. He's now serving time in an Austrian jail, even though he now claims that, yes, there were gas chambers etc., and a whole lot of European Jews did get murdered by the Nazis after all.
And doncha just love the tone of the comment, "Raul Hilberg the Jew". Spoken like a true Nazi....
The Polish government tends to go by the 1939 Polish census, and they found that by their next post-war census, that their population had taken a 20% drop, with something like 3 million missing Polish Jews and 3 million missing non-Jewish Poles. The 6 million missing Poles never showed back up, they were killed in various ways but the majority died in the German camps.
"There is no evidence at all that Swiss banks ever kept billions of dollars that belonged to Jews during World War II or before World War II."
but then....from his own website he says:
"My book's most important finding was that, alongside Switzerland, the United States was also a primary safe haven for transferrable Jewish assets before and during World War II. The obvious question is, What happened to the dormant Holocaust-era accounts in American banks? During the Congressional hearings on the Swiss banks, one expert witness - Seymour Rubin of American University - was called to testify on this matter. Rubin concluded that the record of the American banks was worse than the record of the Swiss banks: "The United States took only very limited measures to identify heirless assets in the United States, and made available...a mere $500,000, in contrast to the $32,000,000 acknowledged by Swiss banks even prior to the Volcker inquiry." The New York Times devoted a full page of its book review to a savage ad hominem assault on me; it made no mention of this remarkable - and damning - revelation. The Holocaust industry demanded a final settlement with the Swiss bankers before the Volcker committee completed its work because "needy Holocaust victims are dying every day." Yet once the Swiss agreed to a $1.25 billion settlement in August 1998, the urgency suddenly vanished. Two years have elapsed but not a single cent of the Swiss monies has been distributed to the actual claimants."
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=36
Ok Finkelstein.......Show Me The Money!!!!
A well know Holocaust denier says they simply moved to New York, Los Angeles and Sydney. His proof, just look around, there are Jews there.
Finkelstein was saying that the definition of "survivor" changed over time. Right after the war, Jews who had left Europe in 1938 or 1939 weren't counted as "survivors" of genocide. The survivors, in those early days, were those, like his own parents, who had actually been in concentration camps. Also, Jews who had survived the war in hiding may also not have been considered "survivors" in the same way as those who were in the camps. According to Finkelstein, the number of survivors was "inflated" after the war by counting those who had not been fully subject to the killing machine. Whether he was right or wrong, he wasn't making the claim that is attributed to him.
>>According to Finkelstein, the number of survivors was "inflated" after the war by counting those who had not been fully subject to the killing machine. Whether he was right or wrong, he wasn't making the claim that is attributed to him.<<
Very interesting, thank you.
So, I guess we should see the number drop to -8,000,000 soon?
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