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Bush Signaling Shift in Stance on Immigration (Moving Toward Pence Plan)
NY Times ^ | 7/5/06 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 07/04/2006 7:38:49 PM PDT by nj26

On the eve of nationwide hearings that could determine the fate of his immigration bill, President Bush is signaling a new willingness to negotiate with House Republicans in an effort to revise stalled legislation before Election Day.

Republicans both inside and outside the White House say Mr. Bush, who has long insisted on comprehensive reform, is now open to a so-called enforcement-first approach that would put new border security programs in place before creating a guest worker program or path to citizenship for people living in the United States illegally.

"He thinks that this notion that you can have triggers is something we should take a close look at, and we are," said Candi Wolff, the White House director of legislative affairs, referring to the idea that guest worker and citizenship programs would be triggered when specific border security goals had been met, a process that could take two years.

The shift is significant because Mr. Bush has repeatedly said he favors legislation like the Senate's immigration bill, which establishes border security, guest worker and citizenship programs all at once. The enforcement-first approach puts Mr. Bush one step closer to the House, where Republicans are demanding an enforcement-only measure.

"The willingness to consider a phased-in situation, that's a pretty big concession from where they were at," said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma, whose closeness to Mr. Bush dates to his days as a top Republican National Committee official. "It's a suggestion they are willing to negotiate."

In a sign of that willingness, the White House last week invited a leading conservative proponent of an enforcement-first bill, Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, to present his ideas to Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the Oval Office.

Ms. Wolff said the president found the Pence plan "pretty intriguing."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; danetakesaholiday; dubyasheadfake; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; immigrationplan; term2
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1 posted on 07/04/2006 7:38:53 PM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26

Also abandoning McCain's "path to citizenship":

"But one Republican close to the White House, granted anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, predicted that Mr. Bush would ultimately abandon the idea of a path to citizenship."

The White House knows they lost, and are shifting position to accomodate the will of the American citizens that will vote in November's election.


2 posted on 07/04/2006 7:40:23 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26

President Bush is signaling a new willingness to negotiate with House Republicans in an effort to revise stalled legislation before Election Day



Talk is cheap.


3 posted on 07/04/2006 7:41:09 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: nj26

Until it happens, it is just cheap political talk, as usual from Washington. Nothing from Washington is of value, unless it actually happens, and for the better of the American citizen, our laws, our principles, our soverignty.


4 posted on 07/04/2006 7:41:36 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: nj26

God,maybe the president has finally decided to pay attention to the people who voted for him.


5 posted on 07/04/2006 7:41:48 PM PDT by Mears
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To: nj26

Well, it's about time!!!! Thank you, God, for making him see the light.


6 posted on 07/04/2006 7:41:59 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: EagleUSA

I agree... but it's the best talk that we have heard in years from the Bush admin on immigration.


7 posted on 07/04/2006 7:42:32 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26

Ugh, I just realized this is from the NY Slimes. I won't believe a word of it until it's confirmed by a reputable news source.


8 posted on 07/04/2006 7:43:14 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: nj26

Slimes = Slime

Mad Magazine has more adults on their payroll.

TT


9 posted on 07/04/2006 7:43:21 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: nj26

Much as I would like to read the rest of this story ... I will not give the NYT a hit on its website. Wish others wouldn't either.


10 posted on 07/04/2006 7:43:48 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: nj26
Simply means more long knives will come out against Pence. Watch for Tancredo & Company to try and ruin him.
11 posted on 07/04/2006 7:44:22 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: TexasTransplant

Bush will sign the Pence bill in a heartbeat.


12 posted on 07/04/2006 7:44:32 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26
Yeah.....and we need to implement country wide the same voter system they have in Mexico:

1.....PHOTOGRAPH of the voter in the listings at the polling station

2...Presentation of PHOTO ID at the booth.

...If the dims like Mexico so much...stick it to them with this.

13 posted on 07/04/2006 7:44:36 PM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: nj26
May be using the Pence plan to game us. Sorry, but after hearing the WH claim "it's not amnesty" I'm leery.
14 posted on 07/04/2006 7:45:29 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: nj26

Nothing should "trigger" amnesty.


15 posted on 07/04/2006 7:46:53 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: nj26

Less Talk More action please


16 posted on 07/04/2006 7:47:39 PM PDT by markedmannerf ("Borders, Language and Culture")
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To: Texasforever
Bush will sign the Pence bill in a heartbeat.

And why not? In the end, he gets his shamnesty plan.

Typical Bush/Rover poker play.

17 posted on 07/04/2006 7:47:46 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Texasforever
We have Tom Terrific and bay buchanan to thank for this. If it hadn't of been for their national referendum on immigration in Utah Congress probably would have delayed doing anything this year. Now that they know the voters want a common sense approach to the problem we should see some solid movement with the Pence plan at the core.
18 posted on 07/04/2006 7:48:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: ncountylee
May be using the Pence plan to game us. Sorry, but after hearing the WH claim "it's not amnesty" I'm leery.

No the before the Utah primary the House leadership was scared to death of Tancredo. When Cannon won they realized that Tancredo is a paper tiger. They are now ready to pass legislation and Pence has the best plan. Pence is now carrying the immigration issue flag.

19 posted on 07/04/2006 7:48:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26
If President Bush should
(1) Secure the border and halt further illegal immigration and provide dependable protection for U.S. citizens living along the border--and their property and

(2) Immediately instigate measures to nullify the Supreme Court's odious, nefarious, and utterly unjust eminent domain decision

ALL OF WHICH HE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE DONE !!! his approval would soar, his base support would would return with enthusiasm, and he would secure the November 2006 election.
20 posted on 07/04/2006 7:49:01 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush and his supurb leadership.)
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To: nj26
by SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Wow! The only Times writer who admits being gay!

21 posted on 07/04/2006 7:49:10 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: JCEccles
No, BUsh/Rove want a solution to the problem the borderbots want an issue to gripe about. They lost.
22 posted on 07/04/2006 7:49:31 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: ncountylee

Perhaps. I have no doubt that Bush would give amnesty to all the illegals if it were just up to him.

But I think that Bush and the rest of the Washington elite are figuring out that the voters aren't going to put up with amnesty. Maybe all those bricks are sending a message.

I find this article to be very encouraging as it suggests to me that grass-roots democracy still works, as it did for the anti-tax movement in the early 1970s (culminating in the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980.)

It also looks to me as if the pro-enforcement crowd has the momentum. The Bush Administration has already backtracked to the Pence bill (as evidenced by this obviously planted story in NYT). Next stop may be a true enforcement-only bill.


23 posted on 07/04/2006 7:49:34 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: COEXERJ145
You're worried about Tancredo? Your side has long denigrated Tancredo as being a powerless squeaky little voice with no support among the average conservative voters. Now you seem to admit he has influence and that you're frightened of him.

Well, which is it?

24 posted on 07/04/2006 7:51:11 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Texasforever

Having a long-time incumbent representative win a primary 56/44 is not exactly a convincing win, especially when the opponent is a single-issue candidate that seems a bit short of being mentally balanced.

I don't see any pro-enforcement Republican representatives facing serious primary challenges.


25 posted on 07/04/2006 7:51:40 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: COEXERJ145

Just check the Team America site. The knives are slashing as we speak.


26 posted on 07/04/2006 7:51:57 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: WhiteGuy
Talk is cheap.

Agreed. He's still short of the meager forces he promised to send to the border.

Mr President, pull your head out. Submit to the House version or lose the base. We were already snookered last time the amnesty bs came up. We were promised enforcement then, and got nothing. That wasn't your fault, but we need to see real action now, before we entertain any concept of amnesty or guest worker again. Secure the borders & ports.

27 posted on 07/04/2006 7:53:05 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: nj26
He won by the same percentage as he did in his last primary. That means that the Tancredo's underhanded attack didn't hurt Cannon a bit.
28 posted on 07/04/2006 7:53:18 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26

If Bush has changed his position he better let his AG know. His AG in a recent interview regurgitated the "path to citizenship" stuff.


29 posted on 07/04/2006 7:53:55 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; demkicker
So how about this in the Indy Star...

Bush takes interest in Pence's immigration proposal

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS02/606290447/1008

30 posted on 07/04/2006 7:54:32 PM PDT by RedRover (I found inner peace by donating to Free Republic. Freep the thon!)
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To: Fenris6
Submit to the House version or lose the base.

You mean the Tancredo base. That base is now irrelevant.

31 posted on 07/04/2006 7:54:41 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
"Just check the Team America site."

I did...no mention whatsoever about their national referendum last week. That's curious.

32 posted on 07/04/2006 7:54:59 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: Texasforever

"You mean the Tancredo base. That base is now irrelevant."

Looks as if the Tancredo base is driving policy if this story is true, and path-to-citizenship is dead.


33 posted on 07/04/2006 7:55:33 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: CWOJackson
I did...no mention whatsoever about their national referendum last week. That's curious.

SATAN must have hacked it.

34 posted on 07/04/2006 7:55:37 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26

Thank God!


35 posted on 07/04/2006 7:55:38 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If the intelligence agencies can't find the leakers how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: Texasforever

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Slimes accuracy rate is still less than a stopped clock

TT


36 posted on 07/04/2006 7:55:58 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Texasforever
LOL! "Sharpening the knives" indeed.

Tancredo has influence among conservatives, far more than you're willing to admit, and it frightens you.

Well, it ought to. Most conservatives don't support shamnesty, and you know it.

37 posted on 07/04/2006 7:56:06 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: nj26; Texasforever
You guys could be right but I wiil wait to see more detail.

Might be more sensitive today. Sat on my front porch and had about 40,000 people stroll past on the beach walk so far and suspect that 10,000 illegal aliens were in the crowd.

38 posted on 07/04/2006 7:56:31 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: nj26
"Looks as if the Tancredo base is driving policy if this story is true, and path-to-citizenship is dead."

Pssssssst, Tancredo calls the Pence Plan amnesty. He's opposed to it.

39 posted on 07/04/2006 7:56:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: nj26
Looks as if the Tancredo base is driving policy if this story is true, and path-to-citizenship is dead.

No, the Tancredo base is against the Pence plan. They were told by Dear Leader it is an amnesty plan too.

40 posted on 07/04/2006 7:56:57 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26
Looks as if the Tancredo base is driving policy if this story is true, and path-to-citizenship is dead.

Tancredo has called the Pence plan "Amnesty light."

Tancredo is now officially irrelevant. Pence is driving this debate from the enforcement side, not Tom Terrific.

41 posted on 07/04/2006 7:57:25 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Savage Beast
his base support would would return with enthusiasm

An example of how "talk is cheap" can cut both ways.

42 posted on 07/04/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: ncountylee
Might be more sensitive today. Sat on my front porch and had about 40,000 people stroll past on the beach walk so far and suspect that 10,000 illegal aliens were in the crowd.

Man it must suck to be that obsessed.

43 posted on 07/04/2006 7:57:57 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

The Pence bill is a good one. I'm glad he's finally coming to where he'll sign that one.


44 posted on 07/04/2006 7:57:58 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If the intelligence agencies can't find the leakers how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: plain talk

I've listened to AG AG being interviewed and heard him talking around the issue in all cases. It's seems clear to me that AG AG doesn't believe that the US is a nation of laws wrt illegal immigration. He certainly has no interest in enforcing same.


45 posted on 07/04/2006 7:58:04 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Texasforever
You mean the Tancredo base. That base is now irrelevant.

No, the GOP base wants border security before any anmesty/guest worker program is voted on. Thats why the HOUSE is badgering the Senate over it, they are more in touch with their constituents. If you can't see that, then you're just an agitator.

46 posted on 07/04/2006 7:58:22 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Texasforever

That site makes my computer feel dirty.


47 posted on 07/04/2006 7:58:29 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: McGavin999
I predicted a month ago that if Bush get's the Pence bill he will sign it gladley.
48 posted on 07/04/2006 7:58:56 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Tell us about your obsession with shamnesty.


49 posted on 07/04/2006 7:58:58 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Tell us about your obsession with shamnesty.

I have supported the Pence plan from the day it was published.

50 posted on 07/04/2006 7:59:39 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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