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Times must share blame if people die in attack
Ventura County Star ^ | July 2, 2006 | Jay Ambrose

Posted on 07/04/2006 7:59:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion

One of these days, if you lose a son, a daughter, a cousin or a good friend in a terrorist attack, blame whoever perpetrated the deed first, but secondly blame The New York Times, whose irresponsibility may have enabled the killers to obtain necessary financing.

This story on how the government tracks terrorist funding likewise hurts the paper while also hurting America as a whole by telling the enemy how he might be found out. Said Tony Snow, presidential press secretary, the Times and other papers that broke the story "ought to think long and hard about whether a public's right to know" counts for more than "somebody's right to live."

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TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blame; gwot; homelandsecurity; newyorktimes; nyt; nytimes; sedition; swift; terrorattack; terrorism; terrorists; treason; waronterror; wot
The NYTimes revealed highly classified To Secret information, the release of which helps the terrorists who want to kill us.

Where are the calls for investigation in the MSM?

1 posted on 07/04/2006 7:59:33 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

The new York Times getting this information was not a leak!!!! it was a breach of security and we need to call it exactly what it was. From now on all freepers need to call it exactly that!!!


Thank you for hearing me out


2 posted on 07/04/2006 8:06:51 PM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: FairOpinion
If that happens, the NYT, Lichblau, Risen and Keller must be held accountable for their actions.
3 posted on 07/04/2006 8:10:16 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: FairOpinion

The New York Times is horrible


4 posted on 07/04/2006 8:17:18 PM PDT by Peace Is Coming
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To: FairOpinion

BTT. This one was indefensible.


5 posted on 07/04/2006 8:18:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: blastdad51; All

It's interesting but this Times tradition of bias and a hidden agenda (not much hidden today!) goes back for decades.

A book was recently published by Laurel Leff titled, "Buried by the Times: The Holocaust and America's Most Important Newspaper".

I can't go into all the details and research but her basic assertion was that Arthur Sulzberger (father of today's Pinch) deliberately and willfully minimized the reality of Hitler's holocaust.

This fundamental reportorial dishonesty far antedates Jason Blair and the divulgence of highly classified state secrets.


6 posted on 07/04/2006 8:22:18 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: FairOpinion

The Times doesn't even pretend to care for their employees and their chillins. Understand? Got It?


7 posted on 07/04/2006 8:26:33 PM PDT by Waco
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To: FairOpinion

Someone work with me here..remember new york treason editor keller said..paraphrasing.."the terrorists knew about the monitoring anyway"..imagine me as a private citizen would somehow appear on a tv show and said that..I think..or hope the FBI or Law enforcement person would want to talk to me about how I could possibly know that...is it just me???


8 posted on 07/04/2006 8:28:08 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: BerniesFriend

You know, it is fundamentally an expression of impotence that all we can do is wring our hands and call for "blame" to be placed at the feet of the Times, when in fact it should be indictments.

And there is no need to wait for the next attack. The indictments should be handed down as soon as a Grand Jury can be empaneled to hear the evidence.

Who knows? Maybe this process is already underway. If it were, you surely wouldn't want to gas it all around town.

What you want is the element of surprise when law enforcment shows up with the arrest warrants.


9 posted on 07/04/2006 8:36:31 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: FairOpinion

10 posted on 07/04/2006 8:40:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: FairOpinion

Bump

I sincerely hope this paper goes down the tubes.


11 posted on 07/04/2006 8:42:49 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: FairOpinion
Unfortunately, if the Times were investigated and charged; the MSM would spin it into "McCarthy Hearings II". Movies would follow. The Times traitors and their sources would be portrayed as brave defenders of the `1st Amendment.

I'm not saying it shouldn't happen -- but, that'll probably be how it's spun.
12 posted on 07/04/2006 9:03:22 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: T.L.Sink; Fedora
You might enjoy this too. It was written by Freeper/writer Fedora.

Traitors of Record: The Record of the New York Times

13 posted on 07/04/2006 9:15:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: BerniesFriend
keller said..paraphrasing.."the terrorists knew about the monitoring anyway"

but...but his own reporter said in the article, at least 9 times, that the program was secret/classified. How could the terrorists know about it if it was secret? What does Bill Keller know about what the terrorists knew and when did he know it?

14 posted on 07/04/2006 9:18:29 PM PDT by Hartmann
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To: FairOpinion

We need to have a cartoon of Pres Bush trying to connect the dots, and making progress, and the media behid him trying to erase the connected lines.


15 posted on 07/04/2006 9:30:30 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion....islam)
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To: FairOpinion
"Times must share blame if people die in attack"

Newsweek's bogus koran/toilet story cost many lives in Afghanistan, but did they care? You think the NY Slimes will care if people die as a result of their sedition? Fat chance.

16 posted on 07/04/2006 9:37:32 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: FairOpinion
I don't know how it was a secret. Every time I make a major transaction at my bank I have to answer some sort of patriot act question. And I have a list provided to my business monthly of folks I cannot do business with...and if I do, and am caught, I will lose my business and go straight to jail. I hope everyone out there in business for themselves has this list. All their names are programmed into our computers.

All this is public knowledge. So what was the big secret NYT published? That we are tracking their transactions? Duh, they are tracking all major transactions and it's no secret.

What did I miss?
17 posted on 07/04/2006 9:50:40 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Sorry Mr. Jefferson, we forfeited the God given rights you all put to pen. We have no excuse.)
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To: FairOpinion
Them and the ACLU too.
18 posted on 07/04/2006 10:17:19 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: FairOpinion
Unfortunately, if people die because of the Times reporting they will just place the blame on the evvvvviiiiiiillllll Bush.

These people are disgusting beyond belief.
19 posted on 07/04/2006 11:25:14 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: FairOpinion

A quote from the Viet Nam War, addressing what many of us knew, but the likes of Hanoi Jane Fonda and Hanoi John Kerry denied by claiming the Viet Cong were a "revolutionary indigenous group," with no links to North Viet Nam. Northern Commuist Party Historian, Nguyen Khac-Vien, in a 1975 interview openly admitted that the VC were predominantly comprised of North Vietnamese Army regulars, saying, "The [Viet Cong] was always simply a group emnanting from [Hanoi]. If we [the North Vietnamese] had pretended otherwise for such a long period, it was only because we were not obliged to unveil our cards."

Even our enemies know when to keep their mouths shut. With the New York Slimes blabbing every secret they can discover, makes one wonder just who our real enemies are.


20 posted on 07/04/2006 11:33:54 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: FairOpinion

The Times said they did hold back on this story, but, I think we should take note that they released the story after President Bush's poll numbers went up. I think this is treason for the sake of politics.


21 posted on 07/05/2006 12:14:30 AM PDT by midnoon (Support the Troops: Be a Contractor in Iraq!!)
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To: FairOpinion

The Times said they did hold back on this story, but, I think we should take note that they released the story after President Bush's poll numbers went up.


22 posted on 07/05/2006 12:16:11 AM PDT by midnoon (Support the Troops: Be a Contractor in Iraq!!)
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To: FairOpinion

Well done, Jay. We need to punish those who engaged in this security breach.


23 posted on 07/05/2006 5:30:38 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: John Valentine

Yep. If laws on the release of classified information were broken, those who broke them should be hauled up.


24 posted on 07/05/2006 5:32:03 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: FairOpinion

I also love the perpetual whining about conservative bloggers and radio talk show hosts---as if those forms of media are mere gnats that will be shooed away if batted at long enough.

Moonbats such as the ed of the NYT still haven't appreciated that there's been a seachange in the MSM, that, in fact, there is a new media---one that bubbles from the ground up, rather than the other way around---and it is here to stay.

If your story can't survive the scrutiny the blogosphere---HELLO. That oughta tell you something. That's the new "editorial oversight." That's the new "accountability."

No way around it, Keller. You are not the last word on your paper's credibility or accuracy. Get used to it.


25 posted on 07/05/2006 5:35:44 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: FairOpinion
Speaking of the self anointed 'Newspaper of Record' ... yesterday I caught a snippet of the 'Laura Ingraham' show on the car radio. She read an e-mail from a young lieutenant sent to the editors of the NYSlimes. It addressed the issue of their releasing harmful information concerning the governments tracking terrorist funding around the world. The lieutenant's e-mail was well written stating that he sees daily what this funding buys terrorists ... the lieutenant is a Harvard law school graduate and was working in a clerkship capacity when called up for duty. He stated categorically that what the NY Times did broke the law and by the time he returns stateside he hopes the key editors have traded their A/C offices for a prison cell where they deserve to be.
This e-mail, to my knowledge, has not been posted here at FR ... if someone can find this e-mail it deserves to be posted, it was excellent.
26 posted on 07/05/2006 5:39:54 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: FairOpinion
Said Tony Snow, presidential press secretary, the Times and other papers that broke the story "ought to think long and hard about whether a public's right to knoweditors treasonous gimmick to sell more papers" counts for more than "somebody's right to live."

there tony, fixed it for ya.
27 posted on 07/05/2006 5:51:59 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: FairOpinion
The Times has painted itself into a corner.

Fact: Someone can be anti-war without aiding the enemy and without hobbling our government.

If the Times doesn't realize that fact -- then they are idiots.

If the Times does realize that fact -- then they are criminals


28 posted on 07/05/2006 7:27:53 AM PDT by syriacus (Imagine the power of a Clintonian soccer team ...all that practice kicking problems down the road!)
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To: takenoprisoner
Duh, they are tracking all major transactions and it's no secret.

The method of tracking is the issue and is the major story.

The Times held back this major story while they made an effort to discuss this major story with people in the administration.

29 posted on 07/05/2006 7:36:34 AM PDT by syriacus (Imagine the power of a Clintonian soccer team ...all that practice kicking problems down the road!)
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30 posted on 07/05/2006 7:38:26 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 49-54)
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To: Hartmann
What does Bill Keller know about what the terrorists knew and when did he know it?

Hmm...interesting. Times ...terrorists....terrorists....Times

The Times sounds more and more like Al Jazeera.

31 posted on 07/05/2006 7:39:04 AM PDT by syriacus (Imagine the power of a Clintonian soccer team ...all that practice kicking problems down the road!)
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Has the Times made a deal with some terrorists, in order to get stories, in the way that CNN made deals with Saddam?

How CNN hid the truth about Saddam and betrayed the world

...for more than a decade, the network did not tell the full truth about what it knew about Saddam's regime.

Moreover, last October, when New Republic writer Franklin Foer questioned Jordan about his network's coverage of Iraq, the executive asserted without reservation that CNN had given "a full picture of the regime".

By Jordan's own admission , that was a lie.


32 posted on 07/05/2006 7:43:42 AM PDT by syriacus (Imagine the power of a Clintonian soccer team ...all that practice kicking problems down the road!)
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To: FairOpinion

Excellent defenestration of the Times by Jay Ambrose, who is hardly a part of the VRWC. Jay is a hardcore, longtime newspaperman himself and he knows when others in the profession have screwed up. This one will leave a mark.


33 posted on 07/05/2006 1:25:27 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Meet the new dictators of America.....Bill Keller, James Risen, Eric Lichtblau, and Dana Priest)
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