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KILLING NEW YORK SOFTLY ( High Taxes, Losing people, Killing Businesses...)
New York Post ^ | July 5, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 07/05/2006 9:19:12 AM PDT by george76

While the latest performance of Albany lawmakers was breathtakingly destructive on its face, the damage is even worse when compared to fiscal policies in other states.

Rarely inclined to remember - or even to care - that the Empire State must compete economically with 49 other states, New York lawmakers have once again failed to improve the state's attractiveness for taxpaying individuals and businesses.

Little wonder why New York is losing more residents than any other state - and why businesses are fleeing, upstate especially.

Other states are only too happy to woo New Yorkers and New York businesses...

Albany added more than $7 billion in new spending - in percentage terms, the increase was the largest in decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2010; bigspenders; bluestates; census; congress; congressionalseats; corruption; depopulation; electioncongress; elections; electionushouse; exodus; federal; federalcensus; govwatch; hightaxes; tax; taxes
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1 posted on 07/05/2006 9:19:13 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
New York is losing more residents than any other state

They're going to Galt's Gulch.

2 posted on 07/05/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hit me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

3 posted on 07/05/2006 9:23:05 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Why would any young person want to live in NY? Outrageous taxes, outrageous housing prices and an outrageous socialist government...


4 posted on 07/05/2006 9:25:16 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: george76
New York is losing more residents than any other state

But give New Jersey a chance...they're doing their best to keep up.

5 posted on 07/05/2006 9:26:24 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: 2banana

New York has also been losing Congressional Seats.

Too bad they do not lose their Senate seats !


6 posted on 07/05/2006 9:27:29 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Cue Roberta Flack....

Killing them softly with our taxes
Killing them softly...with taxes
Cutting their lifeblood...with our greed
Killing them softly...with our tax

7 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:11 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: george76

There's no chance, of course, that Hillary and Chuckie voters are leaving.


8 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:47 AM PDT by HansGygi
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To: george76

I am sitting in Tompkins and feel certain the primary reason we had an increase was the increased largese funneled from Albany to Cornell and the mini-Biotech circuit surrounding the university. Tioga (42% decline) is next door to us. (A county that should get a big THANKS for propping us up a little longer.)


9 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:48 AM PDT by rod1
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To: 2banana
There is one reason and one reason only I would never live in New York:

Her Thighness...

10 posted on 07/05/2006 9:28:50 AM PDT by kromike
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To: george76

Wow...what the heck is happening in Binghamton? It's deeply red and deeply white on the respective maps. Didn't seem that bad when I visited 17 years ago.


11 posted on 07/05/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Tall_Texan
 

12 posted on 07/05/2006 9:32:22 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

New York: The state so bad, even one of their Senators is trying to get out of completing her next term!


13 posted on 07/05/2006 9:32:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hit me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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To: Tall_Texan

I think that the colors were reversed ?


14 posted on 07/05/2006 9:33:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: kromike

Please Hillary is really from IL and AK. We in NY consider her presence much like that of a Superfund site. According to the liberal's own mantra-- that should be "Greed driven pollution generated by those who would selfishly benefit to the severe detriment of unfortuante locals".

That does sound like Hillary doesn't it?


15 posted on 07/05/2006 9:35:13 AM PDT by rod1
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To: george76

Thanks for the Article. As a former New Yorker, I am always interested in the plight of NY State. This confirms what my cousin keeps telling me. That the flight from NY State is greatest in the upstate counties than in NYC and the surrounding metropolitan area. This is the reason why the residents of the Upstate regions feel powerless to do anything. All of the representation and control is from the City with Silver, Hillary, Schmucker, Spitzer and the rest. I was planning on buying a small retirement home in Upstate (as far away as possible from NYC) NY. However, I don't want to be the last tax payer presented with a trillion dollar budget. Instead, I will take Horace Greeley's advise and Go West, Young Retiree, Go West!


16 posted on 07/05/2006 9:36:23 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Tall_Texan

Binghamton will get worse. Flood nearly wiped it out about a week ago. My wife is from there.


17 posted on 07/05/2006 9:36:43 AM PDT by rod1
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To: tcostell
But give New Jersey a chance...they're doing their best to keep up.

Keep up? Hell, Corzine's trying to surpass New York's foolishness!

18 posted on 07/05/2006 9:37:05 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: wmileo

The best and the brightest can leave.

The young and able do leave.

NYC attracts illegals from everywhere.

Upstate working people are tired of NYC.

Trying to start a small business would be very painful.


19 posted on 07/05/2006 9:41:32 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tcostell

And don't forget the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The Bay State is leaking like a sieve.


20 posted on 07/05/2006 9:42:28 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As they lose their Congressional seats, they also lose votes for the next President.

8-))


21 posted on 07/05/2006 9:43:31 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2banana
Why would any young person want to live in NY? Outrageous taxes, outrageous housing prices and an outrageous socialist government...

Most young people don't care about politics. Upstate NY housing prices are dirt cheap, among the cheapest in the country. However, as for the taxes you're absolutely right. But if you're renting, you just see the benefit of cheap rent.

As for the rest of upstate NY, beautiful scenery, the Finger Lakes, Lake Erie and Ontario, wine country, the Adorondaks, Alleghany State Park, Niagara Falls, four seasons - plenty of snow in the winter for skiing, plenty of warmth in the summer for boating/hiking/other recreational activities.

It's just sad that the powers that be are bringing us down so much. People have suggested splitting NYC from NY, and countered that saying that NYC provides funding for upstate NY, and without it, Upstate would be poverty-stricken. This may be true at the beginning - but after businesses see Upstate as a viable place to invest rather than a Socialist paradise, that would turn around.

22 posted on 07/05/2006 9:45:30 AM PDT by Dan Nunn
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To: george76

When the lights go out in New York, we know our work will be finished.........


23 posted on 07/05/2006 9:45:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: george76

......Other states are only too happy to woo New Yorkers and New York businesses... ...

Name one.

Attracting New Yorkers is like attracting Cancer. It'll probably kill you.


24 posted on 07/05/2006 9:46:09 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: george76

You cannot tax your way to prosperity.


25 posted on 07/05/2006 9:46:54 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: wmileo

I grew up in New York (Suffolk County on Long Island) and commuted into Manhattan for work for 19 years.

I moved to New Hampshire ("Live Free or Die") three years ago. What a tax-savings windfall! In NH, our politics are imperfect, but there is major focus on SPENDING, unlike NY where the unions elect the politicians, who then milk the taxpayers (to whom they promised tax cuts in order to get elected).... A totally dishonest budget process that is now yielding a population exodus.

Sad, but the citizens can blame themselves: they don't know squat about how the state finances itself, and the politicians take advantage...


26 posted on 07/05/2006 9:49:42 AM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: Dan Nunn

"Why would any young person want to live in NY?"

My Daughter just took a job on Wall Street. The answer is $$$. There are still a lot of high paying jobs in NYC that even with the high taxes and cost of living make it worthwhile.

Also, she has sold her car and loves the city. Rudy make it safe except in some areas, and it is better than Atlanta as far as crime.


27 posted on 07/05/2006 9:50:56 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: george76

From the map, I notice that the states loosing population are heavy gun control (not at all second amendment friendly) states. Looks Like I will be crossing Minnesota, Ohio, Illinois off my list. I used to make fun of Texas. Now it looks Like I will retire there in a few years.


28 posted on 07/05/2006 9:53:11 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Upstate NY ping.


29 posted on 07/05/2006 9:53:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Dan Nunn

You'd suddenly have a swing state - and an ultra-blue state.


30 posted on 07/05/2006 9:53:42 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: RexBeach

Yeah ...more and more life looks like an Ayn Rand novel.


31 posted on 07/05/2006 9:54:14 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: george76

Well, they've got the solution to this problem--Governor Spitzer.


32 posted on 07/05/2006 9:54:16 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Is a conservative electable statewide by running the table upstate to make up for losses in the NYC metro?


33 posted on 07/05/2006 9:56:08 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: wmileo

That map is interesting on the population shifts.

Some people also move because of weather, crime rates...

Also looking at the counties is good. Every state has good and bad counties.


34 posted on 07/05/2006 9:57:12 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Heartofsong83

Sure Pataki did that. The problem is that Pataki is just about as conservative as you can get by that strategy.



After a few years of Spitzer, though, I'm guessing that a conservative would even carry NYC.


35 posted on 07/05/2006 9:58:27 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant; Behind Liberal Lines; Nik Naym

LOL.

"Well, they've got the solution to this problem--Governor Spitzer..."


36 posted on 07/05/2006 9:59:41 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Manhattan is one of the coolest places in the country. But not to live there long-term... For new grads its awesome for a few years out of school, experience the culture and diversity, meet a ton of people from all over, but then they generally get-the hell out of dodge if they can. You can't raise a family there unless you are ultra-wealthy (or in the transit workers unions), the taxes and commute and crowds will do you in eventually.

The silver lining: New, primarily liberal college grads will often change colors (to red) like I did after a few years of working in NY.


37 posted on 07/05/2006 10:00:51 AM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: wmileo
From the map, I notice that the states loosing population are heavy gun control (not at all second amendment friendly) states. Looks Like I will be crossing Minnesota

Minnesota has a 'shall issue' concealed carry law.

I am not saying that the Commies DON'T have their fingers everywhere here, but that is one thing we have.

That being said, I too am looking at SD among other places to move.

38 posted on 07/05/2006 10:02:34 AM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: george76

Upstate, the blue counties are generally the more urban counties (around Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton and Ithaca) plus the northern tip (proximity to Canada and away from the "Northeast bible belt" as I call it).


39 posted on 07/05/2006 10:02:48 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: dashing doofus

Yup. Life has a way of turning blue folks into red folks -if they're smart...or they're residents of the District of Columbia, which is the bluest of the blue jurisdictions.


40 posted on 07/05/2006 10:03:41 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Dan Nunn
Upstate NY housing prices are dirt cheap, among the cheapest in the country

Um, not in Orange County. Or Sullivan.

41 posted on 07/05/2006 10:04:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That's hardly upstate though...


42 posted on 07/05/2006 10:06:54 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: RexBeach

Yeah. I went from Blue to Red, thanks to many years of NY tax policy, and then said what am I doing here? Moved to NH. What a breath of fresh air.

Of course now NY wants to tax out of staters that come into the city to do business. Yes: they want you to declare the portion of your income you "earned" in NY regardless of where you live. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP. According to interpretations of the law (by NY Dept of Taxation and Finance), even attending a conference counts.

While other states go out of their way to woo out of state travelers (business and tourists), NY wants to tax you if you go to the state for a business meeting.

Worse than socialists.....


43 posted on 07/05/2006 10:09:49 AM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
see post 16. I go to Chester NY every year to ski at Gore & its rather depressed. NYC is affluent and unaffected by the fiscal irresponsibility that is devastating upstate NY.
44 posted on 07/05/2006 10:09:53 AM PDT by zek157
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To: Heartofsong83
That's hardly upstate though...

2 hours away from NYcity is upstate. :)

45 posted on 07/05/2006 10:10:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Uh, two hours from NYC and you may still be in NYC depending on the time of day you leave....


46 posted on 07/05/2006 10:12:43 AM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: Heartofsong83; DJ MacWoW
Plus it depends on your idea of affordable & cheap.

I am originally from Binghamton NY, and moved to Waterbury, CT when I got married. My wife and I bought a 1,900 sq.ft. ranch house last year for $169,000.00

My brother, who still lives in Binghamton (Broome County), recently bought a 2 story, 2,100 sq.ft. house for $79,000.00.
47 posted on 07/05/2006 10:12:52 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

upstate NY is the only place I have ever seen white (middle aged) McDonald workers manning an entire shift.


48 posted on 07/05/2006 10:12:54 AM PDT by zek157
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To: george76

Fear not - Loony Bloomburg says that illegal aliens are the key to protecting the economy.


49 posted on 07/05/2006 10:13:05 AM PDT by meyer (A vote for amnesty is a vote against America.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Those counties are more like suburbs to NYC and are not considered "upstate". The further north you go the cheaper property is. Check out Otsego, Albany, Hamilton, Schoharie & Greene counties for land/home prices.


50 posted on 07/05/2006 10:15:37 AM PDT by panaxanax
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