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Klein slams Al Gore interview on oil sands [he's about as far left as you can go....]
The Globe and Mail ^

Posted on 07/05/2006 11:54:01 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Klein slams Al Gore interview on oil sands

JIM MACDONALD

Canadian Press

EDMONTON — Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has criticized former U.S. vice-president Al Gore for comments he made in a magazine interview in which he attacked the massive oil-sands industry in northern Alberta.

Mr. Gore told an interviewer in the latest issue of Rolling Stone that oil-sands processing is a huge waste of energy and creates an eyesore on the landscape of Western Canada.

“For every barrel of oil they extract there, they have to use enough natural gas to heat a family's home for four days,” Mr. Gore told the magazine.

“And they have to tear up four tonnes of landscape, all for one barrel of oil. It is truly nuts. But you know, junkies find veins in their toes. It seems reasonable, to them, because they've lost sight of the rest of their lives.”

Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.

Mr. Klein, who was recently in Washington to promote the oil sands as a reliable source of energy for the United States, said Mr. Gore's views are simply not realistic.

“I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat. And not only that, he's about as far left as you can go

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; algoreisnotmyprez; antiamericanism; anticapitalist; badscience; canada; climatechange; culturewar; ecoloon; energy; environment; globalwarming; gore; gorethemoonbat; greenieweenies; junkscience; oil; pinko; reddupe; socialist
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1 posted on 07/05/2006 11:54:03 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Of course "wind farms" and "solar array farms" make for beautiful landscape, eh mr. gore?


2 posted on 07/05/2006 11:56:14 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Sub-Driver

He's about as far left as you can go, and not fall of the planet..........


3 posted on 07/05/2006 11:56:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Sub-Driver
I sooooo hate Al Gore.

“For every barrel of oil they extract there, they have to use enough natural gas to heat a family's home for four days,” Mr. Gore told the magazine.

When does someone mention that this same barrel of oil would heat that family's home for a YEAR?

4 posted on 07/05/2006 11:58:20 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: Red Badger; Sub-Driver
He's about as far left as you can go, and not fall of the planet..........

Who? Klein or Gore? Your comment in the title was ambiguous.

5 posted on 07/05/2006 11:59:22 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: GMMAC; fanfan

(((.)))


6 posted on 07/05/2006 11:59:33 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Yay! It's Riding Season!)
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To: Sub-Driver
“And they have to tear up four tonnes of landscape, all for one barrel of oil. It is truly nuts. But you know, junkies find veins in their toes. It seems reasonable, to them, because they've lost sight of the rest of their lives

This from the Tobacco Baron. He's cerifiable.

7 posted on 07/05/2006 12:00:44 PM PDT by Hildy (Change calls the tune we dance to.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.

The only problem with this statement is that "the planet" doesn't give a crap about global warming.
If (and that's a big "if") there is any validity to Gloabal Warming then humankind will be the only ones devastated.
"The planet" will be doing just fine whether we are here or not.

Mr. Gore is exhibiting a strange kind of hubris by implying that mankind has the power to destroy a planet.

8 posted on 07/05/2006 12:02:12 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: Pukin Dog
And for every gallon of ethanol, it takes 1.5 gallons of diesel fuel to produce it.
9 posted on 07/05/2006 12:02:47 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Sub-Driver

"creates an eyesore on the landscape"

Moreso than asking if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there... Can a landscape BE an eyesore if no one is there?

Eyesore means it offends the eyes. No eyes, no eyesore.

Soundwaves are still projected by a falling tree even if no HUMAN is around to hear it.

Do wild animals protest "eyesores"? Do they care?


10 posted on 07/05/2006 12:03:34 PM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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To: Sub-Driver

That's our Al, bringing love, contentment and pseudo science wherever he goes. He is so pathetic, there is nothing he won't do for publicity.


11 posted on 07/05/2006 12:04:12 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Hildy

This is the same Algore who took royalties from an open pit zink mine on his Tennessee farm ?


12 posted on 07/05/2006 12:05:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.

America has BEEN using oil. China and India are NEW to heavy oil usage. Why not persuade THEM to use something different? Do they have emmissions standards that equal or exceed those in the US?

Then tell Mr. Gore to STFU.

13 posted on 07/05/2006 12:05:13 PM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Small house you have there.


14 posted on 07/05/2006 12:05:32 PM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: Sub-Driver; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...

PING!
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15 posted on 07/05/2006 12:06:33 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Pukin Dog

Don't overstate the case PD -- the 55 gallons of oil in a barrel may not heat for a year, but certainly a month is not unreasonable. Heck, even two weeks in a tough stretch of northeastern winter. You still end up with a net energy gain.

And the torn up landscape is a hoot. Once the heavy equipment goes away, an amazing thing happens to "torn up landscape". The plant fairies come in and put weeds, grasses, then bushes, and eventually trees in a process that I'm sure the Gorons out there would think of as the Gaia Goddess' magic.


16 posted on 07/05/2006 12:07:07 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: GMMAC

To AlGore, F**k YOU!!!

Let him fuel his jet with solar power!!!


17 posted on 07/05/2006 12:10:09 PM PDT by Springman
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To: Sub-Driver

4 tons of landscape? thats only a few scoops with a large bucket.


18 posted on 07/05/2006 12:10:30 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Pukin Dog
Maybe this size house ;-)


19 posted on 07/05/2006 12:10:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

"I hate it when FReepers mock me! I was almost President, dang it!"


20 posted on 07/05/2006 12:12:12 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Sub-Driver
“I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat. And not only that, he's about as far left as you can go.

Bwahahahahaha

Al Gore would prefer we went back to the days when we had to shovel horse sh** off the streets.

21 posted on 07/05/2006 12:14:14 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And sold the California oil reserves to Occidental, in which his family was heavily invested.


22 posted on 07/05/2006 12:15:35 PM PDT by MarkeyD (The patriotism of the New York Times = The humanity of an Islamic terrorist.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Gore, mon ami..........


23 posted on 07/05/2006 12:16:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Mr. K

If I remember my discovery channel correctly the larger standard Yutes (Off Road Dumptrucks) are 40 yards/120 tons and the larger shovels fill them in one scoop. That would make four tons a small fraction of one scoop.


24 posted on 07/05/2006 12:19:37 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Pukin Dog
I sooooo hate Al Gore.

I feel so sorry for him, because he has truly lost his mind........He's still trying to live up to his daddy's expectations of him becoming president. And this, Algore of today, is the result. He really needs psychiatric help.......

25 posted on 07/05/2006 12:20:18 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Springman
Ol' Ralphie's definitely the 'anti-Gore':






26 posted on 07/05/2006 12:31:30 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Red Badger

Albert the oGre!


27 posted on 07/05/2006 12:32:52 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Sub-Driver

God bless Alberta. Some of the best folks on Earth reside there.


28 posted on 07/05/2006 12:44:02 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: L,TOWM

There is an obvious net energy gain, and there should be no problem with it. The energy balance is something like 1 barrel of oil equivalent is needed to create 3 barrels from the tar sands... the real issue is the cost, and right now the costs are favorable:

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1875182

"Undaunted, energy companies have ploughed billions of dollars into bringing down the cost of producing oil from tar sands. This has dropped from about $30 a barrel three decades ago to less than $12 a barrel at the latest facility, which was officially opened by Royal Dutch/Shell and its partners on June 19th, and joins plants run by Suncor and Syncrude, two Canadian firms whose businesses are built around the tar sands."

http://www.eenews.net/specialreports/tarsands/sr_tarsands2.htm

Syncrude's massive oil production facility is the largest single source of crude oil in Canada. It produces 13 percent of the country's annual oil requirements. Its Mildred Lake operation abuts a massive extraction and upgrade facility that is in the final stages of an $8 billion expansion that will add equipment the company says will help reduce stack emissions of sulfur by 60 percent from today's levels of 245 metric tons a day.

Just south of Syncrude's plant is the company's first mining site. It is now reclaimed -- rolling hills of grass and trees that support a herd of buffalo. The site includes a pond used for mine tailings.
Restoration
Looking northwest, tailings ponds and reclaimed mine area southeast of the Syncrude plant. The land to the west of this site has been reclaimed to the point where it supports a herd of buffalo. Photo by Mary O'Driscoll.

Across Highway 63 is what appears to be a massive tidal flat with wet, light-brown sand that Syncrude spokesman Allan Reich said is another mine site in the process of being reclaimed. Officials said that it would take 12 to 15 years to turn the site into rolling, grass-covered hills.

"It's our obligation to return the land to its equivalent capability," Reich said.

http://randsco.com/index.php/2006/02/05/Roaring_Dinosaurs-Prosperous_Alberta


29 posted on 07/05/2006 12:44:07 PM PDT by WOSG (-)
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To: G Larry

Can we put wind farms near Cape Cod?

Oh, right. Can block Teddie "the Swimmer" Kennedy's view.


30 posted on 07/05/2006 12:45:24 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: All
I'm thinking of a house where I live: Southern California. Oooh, way to appear correct PD, even when obviously wrong.......
31 posted on 07/05/2006 12:46:47 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: Red Badger

"I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air,” he told reporters on Tuesday."

Bwahahahaha...but you're right, RB, he needs help.


32 posted on 07/05/2006 12:48:15 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Red Badger
He's about as far left as you can go, and not fall of the planet..........

Don't get my hopes up like that.
33 posted on 07/05/2006 12:48:30 PM PDT by Element187
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To: El Laton Caliente
If I remember my discovery channel correctly the larger standard Yutes (Off Road Dumptrucks) are 40 yards/120 tons and the larger shovels fill them in one scoop. That would make four tons a small fraction of one scoop.

That would be 30 tons per cubic yard... That doesn't compute, unless it was lead. 60,000 pounds for a 3x3x3 ft. cube of dirt???

34 posted on 07/05/2006 12:52:15 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: Sub-Driver


He played on our fears!
35 posted on 07/05/2006 12:56:12 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Sub-Driver; Victoria Delsoul
"I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air," he told reporters on Tuesday. "I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat. And not only that, he's about as far left as you can go."

Gotta love the way Albertans get right to the point and don't mince words. LOL.

36 posted on 07/05/2006 12:57:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: L,TOWM

Oil is sold in barrels (42 gal/bbl). A drum is 55 gallons.


37 posted on 07/05/2006 1:17:25 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: EricT.

That's three tons per cubic yard.


38 posted on 07/05/2006 1:18:21 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: Pukin Dog

Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.

I just love this kind of crap. The US is so bad then why does he want to run it? How about India and China's burdon on the oil dependency? Answer that AlGore....


39 posted on 07/05/2006 1:22:14 PM PDT by Cyclone59 ("Yahyoo, he's my sisters' kid. Personally, I think he's a retard.")
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To: Hildy

Don't forget that Armand Hammer "gifted" the Gore family a bout $1,000,000 in Occidental Petroleum.


40 posted on 07/05/2006 1:35:38 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: EricT.

Your right. Sand or gravel loose is 105 lbs / cubic foot or about 1.4175 tons per cubic yard. Since oil sand is "wet" with hydrocarbons it should weigh a little more (about 5 lbs per gallon). That would have the load at over 56 tons.

The 120 tons I was using is a gross maximum weight rating that includes the weight of the truck.

And they do also haul lead ore... ;^)


41 posted on 07/05/2006 1:49:32 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Cyclone59

The peculiar thing about the whole CO2 issue is that the greenies consistently ignore the carbon dioxide produced by a person breathing all day long. The number is amazing -- something on the order of 2.5 times the amount of CO2 a 6 cylinder car puts out when driven for 50 miles a day.

But the greenies don't complain about the carbon emissions from people...

Yet.


42 posted on 07/05/2006 1:53:25 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: Sub-Driver
Klein went on in the article...

Mr. Klein has stirred controversy in the past by rejecting scientific data suggesting industrial pollution is one of the leading causes of global warming.

He has even said global warming trends that occurred millions of years ago may have been caused by “dinosaur farts.”

Business-friendly and a hoot - he could substitute for Rush when Walter E. Williams is unavailable.

43 posted on 07/05/2006 2:15:36 PM PDT by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Paleo Conservative; GMMAC
Ralph Klein is very conservative, and I wish we had more pols like him in the US.

He defends Alberta like a bulldog. He'll be the first to tell the press to go to Hell, and in provincial meetings with others trying to steal $$ from AB he will simply leave the meeting.

Some good info HERE. I like the 'Bus tickets to Vancouver for the poor' idea, personally. Vancouver is very liberal, & libs looove the poor, right??
44 posted on 07/05/2006 2:17:36 PM PDT by proud_yank (Truth to liberals is as useful as a snowblower in hell.)
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To: GMMAC

Imagine if there was a way to create a Dick Cheney - Ralph Klein ticket in 2008? Man, liberals would explode!!


45 posted on 07/05/2006 2:21:07 PM PDT by proud_yank (Truth to liberals is as useful as a snowblower in hell.)
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To: El Laton Caliente; Sub-Driver; EricT.
The trucks carry 400 tons of payload. It takes the shovel four scoops to load them.


46 posted on 07/05/2006 2:31:49 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: El Laton Caliente; Sub-Driver; EricT.
Here's a better view of the truck -- notice the driver on the balcony at the top of the stairs.


47 posted on 07/05/2006 2:38:59 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I had seen films of those monsters, but didn't know they were in use in Alberta. The films I saw I think were at coal mines.

I'm familar with the 20 something yard (wanna say 27) model that is used for most earthwork on construction jobs. The 40 yard models were the largest I remember being able to be moved in without extensive site assmbly.

The big ones like that, IIRC, take something like 40 or more haul trucks to get on site and then have to be assembled including welding the bed together.

Would have never guessed they moved 400 tons...


48 posted on 07/05/2006 3:01:53 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: TexanToTheCore

LoL! I didn't get much sleep the last two nights and I hadn't had any caffiene at the time I posted that. The mathematic part of my brain is functioning at diminished capacity today.


49 posted on 07/05/2006 4:59:40 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: Alberta's Child
“I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air,”

ROTFLOL! I love it.

That silly Gore making a fool of himself. He thinks he's doing great, though.

50 posted on 07/05/2006 6:43:52 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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