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As TWA 800 Anniversary Nears, NTSB Reflects On Lessons Learned
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Posted on 07/05/2006 12:14:06 PM PDT by Hal1950

With the 10th anniversary of the crash of TWA Flight 800 approaching, last week the National Transportation Safety Board released a fact sheet that reviews lessons learned from the accident investigation... and the progress toward ensuring that similar tragedies do not happen in the future.

The Board's review found that significant safety improvements have been implemented over the past ten years, but that more needs to be done to avoid another accident like TWA 800.

"The crash of TWA 800 was a watershed event for the air carrier industry," said NTSB Acting Chairman Mark V. Rosenker. "In the intervening years, a lot of thought and effort has been devoted to the issues raised by this accident, and the public is safer for it."

TWA 800, a Boeing 747, crashed on July 17, 1996, minutes after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport on a flight to Paris, France. All 230 persons aboard the airplane died in the accident. The Safety Board conducted an exhaustive four-year investigation and determined that the accident was caused by an explosion in the center wing fuel tank, resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air mixture in the tank.

The NTSB says the most prominent issues raised by the TWA 800 accident concerned protection against flammable fuel tank vapors, and aging electrical systems.

Rosenker noted that fleet-wide inspections and analytical reviews of fuel tank design have resulted in significant measures that have the potential to reduce the likelihood of an ignition event inside a tank, and that fuel pumps, fuel quantity indicating systems, in-tank wiring, co-routed wiring, and operational procedures have been modified to make fuel systems safer.

"Equally important," Rosenker said, "is the prospect of substantially reducing fuel tank flammability exposure - something that was seen as impractical ten years ago but is now feasible, even in this difficult era when airline operators need to be extremely conscious of costs."

But while applauding the FAA and industry for the progress that has been made, Rosenker cautioned that the process is moving much too slowly.

"Ten years after the TWA accident, fuel tank inerting systems are not in place on our airliners, and flammability exposure is largely unchanged. And proposed rule changes do not include the majority of fuel tanks which are in the wings of transport airplanes, nor this country's large fleet of cargo aircraft."

Consequently, he added, reduction in fuel tank flammability remains on the NTSB's Most Wanted List of Safety Improvements.

Rosenker also expressed disappointment that the FAA did not act on the NTSB's immediate, interim recommendations, issued a few months after the TWA accident, that were aimed at reducing the fuel tank flammability problem until longer- term solutions are in place. The recommendation was closed by the Safety Board last year and given an "unacceptable action" status.

Rosenker noted that the TWA accident gave great impetus to legislation that revolutionized the ability of the families of the victims to obtain accurate and timely information about an airliner accident and the subsequent investigation.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: ntsb; twa800; twaflight800

1 posted on 07/05/2006 12:14:09 PM PDT by Hal1950
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To: Hal1950

Grab the popcorn, folks, this'll be a good'un.

}:-)4


2 posted on 07/05/2006 12:15:54 PM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: Hal1950
"Ten years after the TWA accident, fuel tank inerting systems are not in place on our airliners, and flammability exposure is largely unchanged"

Yeah, because it was a made up excuse... it never happened that way.

SHOW THE FILM OF THE MISSILE HITTING IT

I SAW IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES

3 posted on 07/05/2006 12:19:46 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Hal1950
I'd suggest that the NTSB figure out how to keep missles out of the center wing fuel tank. When the tank is opened, air (containing O2) can more easily enter the tank, mix with the fuel and cause an explosion. The WTC towers were a similar issue with an explosive mixture of air and fuel and aviation. ;-)
4 posted on 07/05/2006 12:21:24 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

OH yeah, and Jihad.


5 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:19 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

IF the NTSB were to figure out a way to "Stop Jihad Now!", most of their issues would return to the background levels. Maybe they can make up some signs and picket the ICE operations.


6 posted on 07/05/2006 12:24:26 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Mr. K

You saw the film or the incident? Kinda ambiguous........


7 posted on 07/05/2006 12:24:55 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Hal1950
"Ten years after the TWA accident, fuel tank inerting systems are not in place on our airliners, and flammability exposure is largely unchanged. And proposed rule changes do not include the majority of fuel tanks which are in the wings of transport airplanes, nor this country's large fleet of cargo aircraft."

The obvious reason for this is that design, electrical, or mechanical failure of the Center Wing Tank circuitry was never the cause of the accident in the first place. No urgency, none at all. 700+ Long Island resident witnesses still know what they saw, and why Flight 800 exploded. Nothing has changed, unfortunately, with the possible exception of a few curious and interesting slips of the lip by Kerry and Stephanapolis.

8 posted on 07/05/2006 12:25:55 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Hal1950
"Ten years after the TWA accident, fuel tank inerting systems are not in place
on our airliners, and flammability exposure is largely unchanged.


I guess that explains why we are still having airliners blow up
on their own all the time.

(end sarcasm)
9 posted on 07/05/2006 12:27:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Red Badger

the film


10 posted on 07/05/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Hal1950

cause & effect - go together like coffee & donuts...


11 posted on 07/05/2006 12:28:07 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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To: Hal1950
"As TWA 800 Anniversary Nears, NTSB Reflects On Lessons Learned."

Lying, cheating and stealing works when you control all of the media and legal outlets in the country.

Then go about hounding, jailing and bankrupting your detractors.

12 posted on 07/05/2006 12:28:32 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: All
A bit off topic...

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13 posted on 07/05/2006 12:29:31 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Mr. K
What film? About 4 weeks ago I was flying AA through STL, my flight was canceled and during the wait I started a conversation with a gentleman who was a former TWA mechanic now working for AA. TWA 800 came up and I asked him if any former TWA employees believed the fuel tank story. He remarked that no one believed it and that it was shot down with a missile.
14 posted on 07/05/2006 12:29:32 PM PDT by TexPride
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To: Richard Axtell
Nothing has changed, unfortunately, with the possible exception of a few curious and interesting slips of the lip by Kerry and Stephanapolis.

Don't forget Panetta.

15 posted on 07/05/2006 12:30:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Richard Axtell
a few curious and interesting slips of the lip by Kerry and Stephanapolis.

I missed these. Not to difficult since I don't listen to these dolts; but, I would like to know what slips they've made in regards this. Could you elaborate a little or point me to a link? Thanks!!!!!
16 posted on 07/05/2006 12:32:06 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Hal1950

Shot down.
Covered up by Slick Willy.


17 posted on 07/05/2006 12:33:57 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: VOA

Fewer incidents with air & fuel & aviation & jihad are a likely outcome of global warming and the fact that Bush knew.


18 posted on 07/05/2006 12:35:13 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Mr. K

What film??


19 posted on 07/05/2006 12:35:17 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: TexPride; Mr. K; tpaine
What film?

There was a "cocktail party" film shown on the news the night TWA 800 went down that showed something going up and then a bright flash just off camera. The flash was TWA 800. The film has since disappeared. Several Freepers saw it.

20 posted on 07/05/2006 12:36:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Mr. K

Gotta link?
......


21 posted on 07/05/2006 12:37:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: true_blue_texican

Steppinalloverus once slipped up and referred to the incident as a "bombing of TWA flight 800" I believe.....


22 posted on 07/05/2006 12:39:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Hal1950
Prosecuting people who disagree with NTSB findings doesn't help their credibility any.
23 posted on 07/05/2006 12:41:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: TexPride

Yeah, I believe him and you; but what can you do when the Media and Government together cover up the murders of these poor, helpless people?

I mean, it's been almost forty years since the Kennedy assassination and NOBODY any longer believes the official findings but as long as the MSM and Government cover it up nothing is going to change.


24 posted on 07/05/2006 12:41:41 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Richard Axtell

I know about Stephie's slip, but what did Kerry say?........


25 posted on 07/05/2006 12:41:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: TexPride
I do not know what purpose it serves for our government to have lied to us about this and to keep lying about this? I want to trust the government on this, but I have a hard time doing so. We have had a presidential change with Bush now in office, so why hasn't he allowed the true facts to emerge on this, if a missile did indeed hit the plane? Since he has not, I have to either belive the government is teeling the truth, or the cover-up continues?

I personally believe that there very likely was a missile that brought this plane down. There is too much evidence and too many eyewitnesses to come to any other conclusion, IMO.

26 posted on 07/05/2006 12:43:33 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

belive-believe
teeling=telling


27 posted on 07/05/2006 12:45:17 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: DJ MacWoW
The papers the following morning also had interviews with pilots on nearby aircraft who described a bright light moving toward the TWA 800 just before it blew up.

Harder to "disappear" a newspaper story.
28 posted on 07/05/2006 12:45:32 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: true_blue_texican
I don't know about Kerry. But here are 2 links.

Leon Panetta Just Characterized TWA 800 as Terrorism

News Blackout on Stephanopoulos's incompetence as a "correspondent."

29 posted on 07/05/2006 12:46:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: MistrX

Bull.


30 posted on 07/05/2006 12:47:36 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: BigBobber
The papers the following morning also had interviews with pilots on nearby aircraft who described a bright light moving toward the TWA 800 just before it blew up.

Harder to "disappear" a newspaper story.

They've disappeared on the net. Old FR threads are gone too because of software changes. But I found this.

Streak of light over TWA crash site probably a meteor

November 19, 1996
Web posted at: 1:45 p.m. EST

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A streak sighted by an airline co-pilot this weekend in the skies above the TWA Flight 800 crash site "very likely" was a meteor, the FBI and an astronomer said Monday.

The FBI interviewed the Pakistan International Airlines co-pilot, identified as Nasir Aziz, when he arrived in Frankfurt, Germany, and said he was the only person on the jumbo jet who reported seeing the light.

The Pentagon issued a statement Monday confirming there were no military exercises under way in the area. rule

31 posted on 07/05/2006 12:51:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: VOA

At least the NTSB didn't handle the WTC attack or we would be hearing about the need for safer plumbing in our sky-scapers.


32 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:03 PM PDT by newcthem
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To: Hal1950

A full tank is the best protection against an in-tank explosion and contaminating condensation.


33 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:06 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Hal1950

A lot of controversy, no doubt. If we don't have the whole story, what can be done about it, though?


34 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:10 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Old Professer

That and not having the fuel tank penetrated by a jihadi missle.


35 posted on 07/05/2006 12:55:49 PM PDT by newcthem
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To: Mr. K
Tell is all about it, including exactly what you saw.
36 posted on 07/05/2006 1:06:07 PM PDT by Hal1950
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To: newcthem
"At least the NTSB didn't handle the WTC attack or we would be hearing about the need for safer plumbing in our sky-scapers."

On the morning 9-11-2001, I came through our office as some local Clintonites were watching replays of the second plane impact the WTC. They asked what I thought and I answered sarcastically, "Looks like some more defective fuel tank wiring to me."

Only a couple of them "got it".

37 posted on 07/05/2006 1:08:57 PM PDT by labette (Student of Murphy's Law)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sanders was prosecuted by the FBI - notthe NTSB.
38 posted on 07/05/2006 1:09:52 PM PDT by Hal1950
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To: labette

ping


39 posted on 07/05/2006 1:10:06 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Hal1950

Have a friend who spent several years with Boeing training pilots from airlines around the world on the the latest aircraft their companies had purchased. Asked him a few years ago what he thought about TWA Flt. 800 ... he wasn't buying the center wing fuel tank exploding as a result of a electrical spark igniting the fuel/air mixture in the tank.
Most individuals experienced with flying the Boeing 747 are like my friend, very skeptical of the NTSB finding.


40 posted on 07/05/2006 1:21:27 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: rawhide
Can you imagine what slime would emerge if the "lid" on the clinton era illegalities was cracked?
I think W made a decision to look forward, instead of backwards, in the interests of the Country, especially after 9/11.
OTOH, it might be that even he was shocked about the amount of corruption that would be uncovered.
41 posted on 07/05/2006 1:37:59 PM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: rawhide
I think the answer to your question lies in the nature of bureaucracies. Government bureaucracies are made up of people, who's number one priority is the advancement and protection of their careers, then comes the actual function they perform in the national interest, we assume. Too many people are too involved in the Clinton era cover-up of the causes of the TWA 800 disaster to allow the whole thing to unravel at this point.

When a new president comes into office, many or even most of the non elected personnel of the various departments of the Executive branch remain as holdovers from the previous administration. Thus, we hear about the "Shadow Government", and witness State Dept. officials, Pentagon employees, CIA agents working directly against the policies and interests of the current administration and the country.

It will take a "whistle blower", even at 10 years out, to break open this case. And I feel we can expect something like this to happen in the not too distant future.

42 posted on 07/05/2006 1:58:56 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Red Badger
Here is the best story about Kerry's double slip I have found. A Google search will reveal many stories...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24734

43 posted on 07/05/2006 2:04:48 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks for the links!!


44 posted on 07/05/2006 2:14:01 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: MistrX

Covered up by Wee Willie who was too much of a wuss to fight anyone but a woman.


45 posted on 07/05/2006 2:38:29 PM PDT by montomike (If you didn't find this funny and were offended...have a riot.)
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