Fire Thunder Impeached (Oglala Sioux President impeached over abortion clinic)

Indian Country Today ^ | June 30th, 2006 | David Melmer

[kingu]

PORCUPINE, S.D. - The first woman elected to lead the Oglala Sioux tribe was removed from office with five months remaining in her first term.

Cecelia Fire Thunder, former president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, met the anti-abortion movement and lost. At a hearing on June 29, Tribal Councilman Will Peters, architect of the complaints against her, said at the outset that abortion was the issue.

''We are here today because of the abortion. We will plan for and fight for all Lakota, including the unborn,'' Peters said.

Fire Thunder opened the floodgates of criticism when she suggested opening a women's health clinic on the reservation in response to the state of South Dakota's near-complete ban on abortion.

Asked if abortion was the real reason for her impeachment, she said ''I don't know what's motivating them. For a lot of them, they have personal stuff against me. They were not paying attention,'' Fire Thunder said.

She said the decision violated the constitution and that she would challenge the decision.

[kingu]

The challenge will be mostly based upon a lack of notice; hard to serve notice when she intentionally stays away from the reservation and the council just to justify this lack of notice in her challenge. Nothing is like Indian politics, and it was just yet another dirty trick on her part, part of a string of them that has highlighted her entire term in office.

[CondorFlight]

"met the anti-abortion movement and lost."

Rather, she met her people, and lost.

[wideawake]

Interesting - she was basically hoping to remain president of the Oglala Sioux while campaigning for there to be fewer Oglala Sioux.

[Jeff Head]

God bless the Oglala Sioux for not giving this horrific holocaust any place amongst them, and for showing this woman the door for her suggestion that they should.

[The Old Hoosier]

If I were an Indian, watching my people slowly disappear, I would be pretty p'd off about attempts to put an abortuary on my reservation.

[zerosix]

BINGO!

Way to go pro-life Sioux. Now maybe you might also have corruption-free elections in '06 and '08.

[quark]

Never send a squaw to do a brave's job.

[mockingbyrd]

Absolutely!

[sockmonkey]

God Bless the Oglala Sioux for booting this woman who would kill her own people for profit.

Catholic Ping.

[kingu]

Never send a squaw to do a brave's job.

The biggest force behind her impeachment came from the older women on the reservation who were in horror at the concept of a planned parenthood clinic taking up residence.

[Cinnamon]

exactly.. liberalism doesn't have a place in Indian country.. Indians are very much in connection with nature.

[Southack]

"it was just yet another dirty trick on her part, part of a string of them that has highlighted her entire term in office."

Abortionists/leftists are full of such tricks.

[kingu]

Abortionists/leftists are full of such tricks.

More along the lines of corruption - the clinic was going to be a great slush fund for Fire Thunder, and probably will be her prime funding for the next election cycle. 'Give me money, I'll fight for your cause,' will be her battle cry - meanwhile, she'll take the on reservation stance of wanting a clinic for women's health, that it was never intended for abortions, etc.

I'd be hardly surprised if she got re-elected - it depends on how many voters she can bribe, and what wackos stand up to go against her.

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

dittos Jeff

[elhombrelibre]

Actually, the Democrats have the same dilemma. The more their supporters abort, the fewer offspring their supporters have, the more difficult it is to find receptive audiences for their wacky ideas. They're reaping what they've sown. The dumbing down of their supporters allows them all to miss the obvious consequences of being against having progeny.

[geezerwheezer]

Seems as if Ms. Fire Thunder got short-circuited and rained out as Chief of the Sioux. They figured out she was shockingly all wet! Good for them.

[pepperdog]

I thought the same thing. I don't know about the Oglala Sioux but many of the plains Indians women have a hard time conceiving.

[untrained skeptic]

Rather, she met her people, and lost.

Yep, and in a state of denial she's now accusing them of not paying attention.

She claims that "ideas" aren't punishable, but she didn't just put forth an idea, she solicited donations to build the clinic.

She also didn't present her ideas to the council before doing so.

Over two-thirds of the council felt she deserved to be impeached. They didn't simply disagree with her. They didn't simply want to convince her to change her course of action. Over two-thirds felt that she needed to be removed from office.

That's a very harsh denouncement of her actions.

She can play her legal games, but there doesn't seem to be any chance she's be able to build this "clinic" or that she'd win reelection.

Other than some whining about how unfair it all is, her political career appears to be over.

[redgolum]

Heard about this from my inlaws in S.D.

Most of the Indians are fairly Christian. Doubt her attempt went over well.

[50sDad]

Asked if abortion was the real reason for her impeachment, she said ''I don't know what's motivating them. For a lot of them, they have personal stuff against me. They were not paying attention,'' Fire Thunder said.

Every time a Liberal fails at the polls, it is never "Gee, maybe what I think is radically out of line with a majority of the voters, and I should consider what they want." It is always "we failed to get our message across, we didn't spend enough to get the answers to the people, we need to do a better job of communicating with the voters." Boy, for every Lib I have heard who's peeved that Bush is "arrogant", there is nobody more arrogant that a Liberal. Clearly, if they have lost the Senate, House, Presidency, most Governerships, and chunks of the Supreme Court, it's just that we morons in Flyover Country are too dumb to understand how wonderful and right they are!

(And Bush's swagger is that of a man convinced, iron-clad, that he is right...that's what really drives them mad. He doesn't see the world in a million shades of gray that have to be examined, evaluated, and moaned over. It's called confidence in one's beliefs, and it drives them crazy!)

[2banana]

I think it is an old indian saying "If you can't open up a casino, then open up an abortion clinic..." or something like that...

[wolfcreek]

I know some members of this tribe. These women realize abortion would eventually lead to their extinction.

[PsyOp]

Fire Thunder.

Who else here thinks she probably gave herself that moniker. I'll bet it was originally "Runs With Scissors", soon to be "Lies Like a Liberal".

[sachem longrifle]

You said it. You forgot to add "We were robbed." Most Indians I know(including my mother), are very conservative on certain social issues. Tend to be liberal on economic issues. My mom thinks abortion is murder and has no problem stating such in front of liberal white women

[DakotaGator]

Ping!

[Xenalyte]

My Indian name is the best of all. ;)

[PsyOp]

My Indian name is the best of all...

OK, I'll Bite. What is it?

[quark]

American Indian Movement (AIM) reps call that faux indian Ward Churchill "Walking Eagle," because he's so full of $h!t he can't fly."

[after dark]

I wish the general population were as wise as the Oglala Sioux.

[PsyOp]

LOL!

[conservative blonde]

It is too bad American women as a whole don't realize this fact. They don't want to grasp the fact that abortion kills a human being and it also can lead to breast cancer, sterility and the miscarriage of future children.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"Every time a Liberal fails at the polls, it is never 'Gee, maybe what I think is radically out of line with a majority of the voters, and I should consider what they want.' It is always 'we failed to get our message across, we didn't spend enough to get the answers to the people, we need to do a better job of communicating with the voters.'"

Boy, you're watching different liberals than I've been.

Seems to me it's always "We was robbed! It's a Karl Rove conspiracy!"

[Xenalyte]

Dances on Tables.

Okay, it started as Gyrates for Wampum, but the guys found that too specific.

[quark]

Hmmm...think I met a relative of yours at Mardi Gras -- Flashes for Beads.

[Xenalyte]

That slut! She's not quite a relative . . . she's my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend.

[quark]

An Indian boy inquired of his father how members of the tribe received their names. The father replied, "After a couple makes love, they look out of the opening of their tepee, and the first thing they see is what they name the child, should one be conceived. Why do you ask, 'Two Dogs Screwing?'"

[quark]

lol. :~)

[BaBaStooey]

On a previous thread, I said "Fire Fire Thunder."

It appears that Fire Thunder has been Fired.

[wita]

Thanks for the ping DG. This changed my short term view of the tribe. Their stock shot up about 900%. If fact I found it somewhat unbelievable considering their support for the unforgetable "Tommy Two Tongues" and the democrat machine.

[PsyOp]

Dances on Tables.

I love it!

Heres a joke you may have heard.

This woman's husband asks her to stop by the liquor store on the way home and get him a bottle of bourbon. She does, but shortly after leaving the store sees an old indian woman walking along the side of the road and decides to give her a ride.

After riding along in silence for most of the way the old indian woman asks "What's in bag?".

The woman replies, "A bottle of Bourbon. I got it for my husband."

The old squaw considers this for a couple of minutes and then responds, "Good Trade".

[PsyOp]

ping to #40

[Diddle E. Squat]

The first woman elected to lead the Oglala Sioux tribe was removed from office

A Sioux falls?