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Fire Thunder Impeached (Oglala Sioux President impeached over abortion clinic)
Indian Country Today ^ | June 30th, 2006 | David Melmer

Posted on 07/05/2006 12:19:34 PM PDT by kingu

PORCUPINE, S.D. - The first woman elected to lead the Oglala Sioux tribe was removed from office with five months remaining in her first term.

Cecelia Fire Thunder, former president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, met the anti-abortion movement and lost. At a hearing on June 29, Tribal Councilman Will Peters, architect of the complaints against her, said at the outset that abortion was the issue.

''We are here today because of the abortion. We will plan for and fight for all Lakota, including the unborn,'' Peters said.

Fire Thunder opened the floodgates of criticism when she suggested opening a women's health clinic on the reservation in response to the state of South Dakota's near-complete ban on abortion.

Asked if abortion was the real reason for her impeachment, she said ''I don't know what's motivating them. For a lot of them, they have personal stuff against me. They were not paying attention,'' Fire Thunder said.

She said the decision violated the constitution and that she would challenge the decision.

(Excerpt) Read more at indiancountry.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; americanindian; americanindians; genocide; lakota; nativeamerican; oglala; plannedparenthood; sioux
The challenge will be mostly based upon a lack of notice; hard to serve notice when she intentionally stays away from the reservation and the council just to justify this lack of notice in her challenge. Nothing is like Indian politics, and it was just yet another dirty trick on her part, part of a string of them that has highlighted her entire term in office.
1 posted on 07/05/2006 12:19:37 PM PDT by kingu
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To: kingu

"met the anti-abortion movement and lost."

Rather, she met her people, and lost.


2 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:11 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: kingu
Interesting - she was basically hoping to remain president of the Oglala Sioux while campaigning for there to be fewer Oglala Sioux.
3 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:13 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: kingu

God bless the Oglala Sioux for not giving this horrific holocaust any place amongst them, and for showing this woman the door for her suggestion that they should.


4 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:35 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: kingu

If I were an Indian, watching my people slowly disappear, I would be pretty p'd off about attempts to put an abortuary on my reservation.


5 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:47 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: kingu
BINGO!

Way to go pro-life Sioux. Now maybe you might also have corruption-free elections in '06 and '08.

6 posted on 07/05/2006 12:25:42 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: kingu
Never send a squaw to do a brave's job.
7 posted on 07/05/2006 12:26:27 PM PDT by quark
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To: Jeff Head

Absolutely!


8 posted on 07/05/2006 12:28:24 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: NYer

God Bless the Oglala Sioux for booting this woman who would kill her own people for profit.

Catholic Ping.


9 posted on 07/05/2006 12:29:40 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: quark
Never send a squaw to do a brave's job.

The biggest force behind her impeachment came from the older women on the reservation who were in horror at the concept of a planned parenthood clinic taking up residence.
10 posted on 07/05/2006 12:30:08 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: quark

exactly.. liberalism doesn't have a place in Indian country.. Indians are very much in connection with nature.


11 posted on 07/05/2006 12:31:02 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: kingu
"it was just yet another dirty trick on her part, part of a string of them that has highlighted her entire term in office."

Abortionists/leftists are full of such tricks.

12 posted on 07/05/2006 12:35:10 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Abortionists/leftists are full of such tricks.

More along the lines of corruption - the clinic was going to be a great slush fund for Fire Thunder, and probably will be her prime funding for the next election cycle. 'Give me money, I'll fight for your cause,' will be her battle cry - meanwhile, she'll take the on reservation stance of wanting a clinic for women's health, that it was never intended for abortions, etc.

I'd be hardly surprised if she got re-elected - it depends on how many voters she can bribe, and what wackos stand up to go against her.
13 posted on 07/05/2006 12:38:31 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: Jeff Head

dittos Jeff


14 posted on 07/05/2006 12:39:17 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: wideawake

Actually, the Democrats have the same dilemma. The more their supporters abort, the fewer offspring their supporters have, the more difficult it is to find receptive audiences for their wacky ideas. They're reaping what they've sown. The dumbing down of their supporters allows them all to miss the obvious consequences of being against having progeny.


15 posted on 07/05/2006 12:44:34 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: kingu

Seems as if Ms. Fire Thunder got short-circuited and rained out as Chief of the Sioux. They figured out she was shockingly all wet! Good for them.


16 posted on 07/05/2006 12:48:12 PM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: wideawake
I thought the same thing. I don't know about the Oglala Sioux but many of the plains Indians women have a hard time conceiving.
17 posted on 07/05/2006 12:51:48 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: CondorFlight
Rather, she met her people, and lost.

Yep, and in a state of denial she's now accusing them of not paying attention.

She claims that "ideas" aren't punishable, but she didn't just put forth an idea, she solicited donations to build the clinic.

She also didn't present her ideas to the council before doing so.

Over two-thirds of the council felt she deserved to be impeached. They didn't simply disagree with her. They didn't simply want to convince her to change her course of action. Over two-thirds felt that she needed to be removed from office.

That's a very harsh denouncement of her actions.

She can play her legal games, but there doesn't seem to be any chance she's be able to build this "clinic" or that she'd win reelection.

Other than some whining about how unfair it all is, her political career appears to be over.

18 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:06 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: kingu
Heard about this from my inlaws in S.D.

Most of the Indians are fairly Christian. Doubt her attempt went over well.
19 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:11 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kingu
Asked if abortion was the real reason for her impeachment, she said ''I don't know what's motivating them. For a lot of them, they have personal stuff against me. They were not paying attention,'' Fire Thunder said.

Every time a Liberal fails at the polls, it is never "Gee, maybe what I think is radically out of line with a majority of the voters, and I should consider what they want." It is always "we failed to get our message across, we didn't spend enough to get the answers to the people, we need to do a better job of communicating with the voters." Boy, for every Lib I have heard who's peeved that Bush is "arrogant", there is nobody more arrogant that a Liberal. Clearly, if they have lost the Senate, House, Presidency, most Governerships, and chunks of the Supreme Court, it's just that we morons in Flyover Country are too dumb to understand how wonderful and right they are!

(And Bush's swagger is that of a man convinced, iron-clad, that he is right...that's what really drives them mad. He doesn't see the world in a million shades of gray that have to be examined, evaluated, and moaned over. It's called confidence in one's beliefs, and it drives them crazy!)

20 posted on 07/05/2006 12:54:15 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: kingu
I think it is an old indian saying "If you can't open up a casino, then open up an abortion clinic..." or something like that...
21 posted on 07/05/2006 12:58:56 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: kingu

I know some members of this tribe. These women realize abortion would eventually lead to their extinction.


22 posted on 07/05/2006 1:33:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: kingu
Fire Thunder.

Who else here thinks she probably gave herself that moniker. I'll bet it was originally "Runs With Scissors", soon to be "Lies Like a Liberal".

23 posted on 07/05/2006 1:50:06 PM PDT by PsyOp (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: 50sDad

You said it. You forgot to add "We were robbed." Most Indians I know(including my mother), are very conservative on certain social issues. Tend to be liberal on economic issues. My mom thinks abortion is murder and has no problem stating such in front of liberal white women


24 posted on 07/05/2006 1:50:13 PM PDT by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: wita

Ping!


25 posted on 07/05/2006 3:00:08 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: PsyOp

My Indian name is the best of all. ;)


26 posted on 07/05/2006 3:02:32 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Xenalyte
My Indian name is the best of all...

OK, I'll Bite. What is it?

27 posted on 07/05/2006 3:43:55 PM PDT by PsyOp (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: PsyOp

American Indian Movement (AIM) reps call that faux indian Ward Churchill "Walking Eagle," because he's so full of $h!t he can't fly."


28 posted on 07/05/2006 3:46:01 PM PDT by quark
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To: kingu
I wish the general population were as wise as the Oglala Sioux.
29 posted on 07/05/2006 3:46:26 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: quark

LOL!


30 posted on 07/05/2006 3:57:34 PM PDT by PsyOp (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: wolfcreek

It is too bad American women as a whole don't realize this fact. They don't want to grasp the fact that abortion kills a human being and it also can lead to breast cancer, sterility and the miscarriage of future children.


31 posted on 07/05/2006 4:15:25 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: 50sDad
"Every time a Liberal fails at the polls, it is never 'Gee, maybe what I think is radically out of line with a majority of the voters, and I should consider what they want.' It is always 'we failed to get our message across, we didn't spend enough to get the answers to the people, we need to do a better job of communicating with the voters.'"

Boy, you're watching different liberals than I've been.

Seems to me it's always "We was robbed! It's a Karl Rove conspiracy!"
32 posted on 07/05/2006 4:48:19 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: PsyOp; quark

Dances on Tables.

Okay, it started as Gyrates for Wampum, but the guys found that too specific.


33 posted on 07/05/2006 6:16:41 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Xenalyte
Hmmm...think I met a relative of yours at Mardi Gras -- Flashes for Beads.
34 posted on 07/06/2006 6:59:42 AM PDT by quark
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To: quark

That slut! She's not quite a relative . . . she's my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend.


35 posted on 07/06/2006 7:05:11 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: PsyOp
An Indian boy inquired of his father how members of the tribe received their names. The father replied, "After a couple makes love, they look out of the opening of their tepee, and the first thing they see is what they name the child, should one be conceived. Why do you ask, 'Two Dogs Screwing?'"
36 posted on 07/06/2006 7:05:29 AM PDT by quark
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To: Xenalyte

lol. :~)


37 posted on 07/06/2006 7:06:35 AM PDT by quark
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To: kingu

On a previous thread, I said "Fire Fire Thunder."

It appears that Fire Thunder has been Fired.


38 posted on 07/06/2006 7:06:51 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: DakotaGator

Thanks for the ping DG. This changed my short term view of the tribe. Their stock shot up about 900%. If fact I found it somewhat unbelievable considering their support for the unforgetable "Tommy Two Tongues" and the democrat machine.


39 posted on 07/06/2006 7:21:36 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Xenalyte
Dances on Tables.

I love it!

Heres a joke you may have heard.

This woman's husband asks her to stop by the liquor store on the way home and get him a bottle of bourbon. She does, but shortly after leaving the store sees an old indian woman walking along the side of the road and decides to give her a ride.

After riding along in silence for most of the way the old indian woman asks "What's in bag?".

The woman replies, "A bottle of Bourbon. I got it for my husband."

The old squaw considers this for a couple of minutes and then responds, "Good Trade".

40 posted on 07/06/2006 8:58:08 AM PDT by PsyOp (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: quark

ping to #40


41 posted on 07/06/2006 8:59:21 AM PDT by PsyOp (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. Syrus, Maxims.)
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To: kingu
The first woman elected to lead the Oglala Sioux tribe was removed from office

A Sioux falls?

42 posted on 07/06/2006 9:03:20 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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