Posted on 07/05/2006 4:20:50 PM PDT by pigdog
A modest proposal: Let’s dump the entire tax code. Let’s gather all the tax documents we can find, put them in a big heap, and have a nationally televised Tax Code Burning Day. If the tax lobbies protest, toss them on the fire, too.
Good riddance.
Tax Code Burning Day is possibly a bit extreme, but the idea of chucking our income tax system has been around for quite a while.
When I suggested 10 years ago that we were all suffering from TDB - Tax Debate Burnout - 5,000 readers agreed. They sent in letters and postcards in support of then-Congressman Dick Armey, R-Flower Mound, and his proposal for a simple flat tax.
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The only problem with the Armey flat tax proposal was that it didn’t go far enough. We need to chuck the entire tax system - we need to eliminate the income tax, the employment tax, the corporate tax and the inheritance tax. We need to start over.
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...
It's time for the FairTax!!!
How did this get put under News/Activism??? I didn't use that category when posting the article.
I agree 100%.
Let's get'er done!
Check your prebate under the FairTax ...
Thanks! I will. My mom, OldTax-lady, is a Fair Tax supporter. I was more for the Armey plan, but it was pointed out that sales tax will collect more from the illegal immigrants, among other advantages.
Just for convenience (though your Mom may already have plugged you into it), here's a way to read HR25 . even a few pages are worth reading to see what it's all about if you haven't already - and it's an easy read.
Also there's FairTax website.
There's lots of helpful information there on many, many different topics. Check the FAQs and Rebuttals for example.
I have read Scott Burns for years. He is a good economist although he leans left on many issues, IMO, as does the DMN in general. If he supports the FT that says a lot.
Thank you very much. $897 per month beats a hole in the head, doesn't it!?
Soots me!!! (Thot it wuz past yer bedtime, tho!)
Yep - buys lots of kitty litter, etc.!!
After all, it was devised to be non-partisan and the sooner the left gets on board, the sooner it'll become law.
It can't be said enough!
Just as outrageous, though, is Congress's willingness to use the tax code for 'social engineering'--which is the real reason that the tax code will never be scrapped. So sad.
Do you think they'll choose to scrap the tax code or be voted out?
There's a tipping point and we're awfully close to it - and there's no sign of slowing down a bit....
'Course you have to be willing to vote for the candidate who runs on scrapping the code.
28,300 spent before any tax is paid.
The only problem with the Armey flat tax proposal was that it didn’t go far enough. We need to chuck the entire tax system - we need to eliminate the income tax, the employment tax, the corporate tax and the inheritance tax. We need to start over.
On the nose!!! Don't reform it, replace it.
If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.
John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all federal income, SS/Medicare payroll, and gift/estate taxes outright replacing them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
Scott Burns:I love it.
Live modestly. Spend little. Your tax bill will be tiny.Live extravagantly. Spend lots. Your tax bill will be substantial.
Save and invest your money, and you’ll pay no taxes. The money will be providing employment and helping the economy grow. Taxes are only paid when you withdraw the money from productive use and spend it on consumption.
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Check your prebate under the FairTax ...You claim it's not an entitlement but your initial sales pitch is how big the government check can be...interesting.
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With that sized herd of cats, the prebate would amount to $897 per month.
You seem to have a strongly held opinion on the subject. Whatever.
I honestly don't expect any of this to come to a vote in the next 20 years. People will just have to struggle along under the current IRS code, because the ability to micromanage tax policy is too valuable for politicians to give up.
And entitlement is:
"... a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group ..."
The FairTax is not a government "program" but a tax law nor does it provide benefits to members of a "specified group" but basically to all citizens. Call it what you like however (since you've show that you will regardless of the facts). Demagogue away and mislead as many as you can who buy into your claptrap!!
20 years??? Perhaps, but I think it will actually happen much sooner - possibly in this next election cycle.
Check #22 for some of the reasons I believe affect that timing.
I'll sign on to that!
Tax Code Burning Day is possibly a bit extreme
Actually - it's a GREAT idea! What symbolism that creates in the mind. Who wouldn't picture that and sign on!
This would create a great rallying call - get the attention of the many, many folk out there who still don't have a clue about FAIR TAX. Time to start a "Victory Bonfire" rally call...It would get attention - it's a headline grabber - and in turn, the FAIR TAX would get the exposure we need if we are going to have a snow balls chance...
Let's roll on this - we need an artist to create a visual...something that instantly grabs peoples attention and tells them - Time to break the chains that bind. Let's create a NEW National Holiday: IRS FREE FOREVER DAY.
"Victory Bonfire" "TRUE Independence Day"
A National Catharsis... a symbol of WE the PEOPLE are in charge now!
You seem to have a strongly held opinion on the subject. Whatever.Yep, the subject and the sales pitch.
Not to mention getting the GROSS in your pay check!
How much more per month would that give you?
In other words, we 'real people' - or as the congress-critters and senators like to think of us "Joe Sixpacts" - would have to buy a he*l of a lot before the the Nat. sales tax would impact our bottom line.
However, the very wealthy, who would have the exact same level of tax relief, would -- beyond that level - finally be paying their FAIR SHARE.
For everything you could think of, and more, to ask about the FAIR TAX: go to -
http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html
Got that right.
Bottom line, even for the majority of libTArds is what's good for their pocket books.
This is, indeed, party-neutral.
Not if we have a defeatist attitude -
For the first time in my lifetime (and I'm a great-grandmother) We the People have a chance to abolish the IRS once and for all. There are a lot more of 'us' - The US in the U.S. - than them.
It we lay down and roll over on this, we will never get the chance again - and we will be ruled by the Socialists in Democrats clothing.
Get on board for creating a new holiday:
"Victory Bonfire"
True Independence Day...
If you don't think it's an entitlement, send the checks out for a few months then reduce the amount or discontinue them all together, then tell me it's not an entitlement.
Pretty da*m sweet.
We would be the freest country in the world - but it is being looked at with great interest by people in other countries also. If we push this thru, other countries WILL follow...and the politicians of the world will have their wings clipped back to being the 'servants' of the public, not the other way around.
WE got a shot at true freedom and equality here, folks. Let's not let this window of opportunity close on us.
One big hurdle we have to knock down - and I have seen it even in here - is the almost accepted attitude that "WE" can do nothing, that DC is in charge.
Time for the "US" in the U.S. to roll - time to take the wheel and drive this boat.
FAIR TAX: It's ours to loose....
Time to gather the momentum for a "Victory Bonfire"
Gotta give the Sheeple an image to get their attention...
VERY SERIOUSLY - Can we get the ball rolling?
Who is that extremely talented artist that posts those fabulous cartoons on FR? WE need a 'logo' for our "Victory Bonfire" - instead of flags being burned, IRS forms, booklets, - agents? (kidding)
An entitlement is taking from one class of citizens and giving to another.
FAIR TAX gives benefits/living level 'breaks' to everyone, regardless of income.
The only "entitlement' involved is that everyone will have income to maintain living expenses before taxes kicks in...the same level for you, me, and sKerry...
Frankly, I don't care about that. I wouldn't turn down a check in the mail, any more than I turn down the income tax credits for my numerous offspring, but I'd much rather see lower rates for everyone, whether it's sales tax rates or income tax rates.
And even more than that, less government.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong! Maybe I'm just feeling negative because it's raining :-).
"And even more than that, less government. "
Agreed 110% ... and that means MORE FREEDOM!!! Long overdue.
Under the FairTax, the "new breed" of taxpayer (the one who sees what "his government" costs him on each and every receipt) will be plenty vocal vis-a-vis reducing spending. It's his money ... and he sees it very plainly.
I agree that would be quite an eye-opener.
Maybe some composite photos for the "FairTax Victory Bonfire"???
An entitlement is taking from one class of citizens and giving to another.Entitlements has nothing to do with "class of citizens". Social Secirity is an entitlement and all "classes of citizens" are eligible for the Social Security entitlement.
I pay SS taxes I'm eligible for the entitlement
Under your scam, if I pay sales tax, or even if I DON"T PAY ANY sales tax, I'm entitled to a (GAG!) "prebate" entitlement
The Fairtax own graph's show a negative tax for some citizens, using your own definition of one class (taxpayer) to another (receiving more tax "rebate" than paid) that would be an entitlement....And it's HUGE!
"Entitlements has nothing to do with "class of citizens". Social Secirity is an entitlement and all "classes of citizens" are eligible for the Social Security entitlement. "
Sure it does! And you're NOT eligible for S/S merely by paying into it. There are plenty of folks who never pay into yet collect from it as well as some who pay into it but never collect from it. For a real Entitlement (such as S/S), the "class of citizen" is an oldster since one must reach a certain age before collecting. That represents a small percentage of the population - a "class". The prebate has no such "class" requirement unless all taxpayers could be considered the "class" - which isn't reasonable.
And unlike a real entitlement (such as S/S) there is no annual funding by means of an appropriations bill with the prebate which is incorporated as part of the definition of the tax law, HR25/S25 and continues each year as part of the tax law.
Also, it's not a "scam" despite what you think since there is nothing fraudulent or deceptive about it. It is a refund of tax money. How many of those eligible for the prebate do you think will pay no tax - and where is your study to back that up? Other FairTax supporters have shown several times on these threads that there will actually be very few (if any) who pay no tax since far and away most people buy taxable things and therefore will pay tax at the 23% marginal rate as will you and I and everyone else.
Other supporters have posted studies that show the prebate to be much smaller in dollar volume that the opponents have stated and in fact that the prebate will actually be funded by not much more that the entitlements it replaces (EITC, etc.). Of course you prefer to ignore that information, don't you?
It is your efforts to mischaracterize the prebate (among other things) that is the "scam" since such an effort IS both fraudulent and dishonest. Your frothing at the mouth will do little good.
And unlike a real entitlement (such as S/S) there is no annual funding by means of an appropriations bill with the prebate which is incorporated as part of the definition of the tax law,Huh? Social Security requires annual funding? Really? What's the bill number for this year?
Sure it does! And you're NOT eligible for S/S merely by paying into it. There are plenty of folks who never pay into yet collect from it as well as some who pay into it but never collect from it.You really are so narrow minded that you have to go to those lengths. The subject isn't who is eligible for SS. SS is being used as an example of an entitlement because it's the ultimate. We don't need to hash over SS laws to make a point about something that only exists in reality in your mind.
Also, it's not a "scam" despite what you think since there is nothing fraudulent or deceptive about it. It is a refund of tax money. How many of those eligible for the prebate do you think will pay no taxRight, government checks will be flying out to every "household" every month and no one is going to commit fraud to get more...because it's the sacred Fairtax and to do any harm to the sacred Fairtax would be sacrilege.
For a real Entitlement (such as S/S), the "class of citizen" is an oldster since one must reach a certain age before collecting.Just like the (GAG!) "prebate".
BTW, I am eligible for SS. Just because I'm not eligible to collect doesn't make me ineligible for the benefit
Get it?
And unlike a real entitlement (such as S/S) there is no annual funding by means of an appropriations billM. with the prebate which is incorporated as part of the definition of the tax law, HR25/S25 and continues each year as part of the tax law.Right, tax money will be sent out just willy nilly every month to every household and the money for it won't be appropriated...got it.
Oh, and the first month it's mailed out, before one dime of Fairtax money is collected, that money is a refund of sales taxes (not yet) paid and it won't be appropriated either. It will also be sent out willy nilly because it's the sacred infallible Fairtax.
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