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Owner questions house raid
The Montana Standard ^ | 06/16/2006 | By Nick Gevock

Posted on 07/06/2006 4:27:44 PM PDT by TVenn

DILLON — The owner of a gun parts company that was raided last week by federal agents is proclaiming his innocence after numerous parts and records were seized from his home.

Richard Celata said agents with the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms went through his home and workshop near Argenta for hours on Wednesday, June 7, but didn’t find anything illegal.

“We haven’t been charged with any crimes, and obviously what they found here didn’t violate any laws because I would have been arrested on the spot,” Celata, 45, said Thursday in a telephone interview. “They confiscated all my inventory, paperwork and made copies of my hard drive.” Federal officials have been mum about the raid. A representative with the ATF in Helena did not return phone calls Thursday seeking comment.

And Beaverhead County Sheriff Bill Briggs, who assisted with the search, has said he cannot comment on the raid other than acknowledging it took place.

Celata manufactures gun parts at his shop near Argenta, about eight miles west of Dillon. He lives there with his wife and two children and sells the parts through his company KT Ordnance, which he moved to Dillon two years ago, on the Internet.

The parts that Celata builds are what he calls the “80 percent” market, meaning they’re close to finished.

But they’re not gun kits similar to those available through mail order catalogs that can simply be put together and ready to shoot, Celata said. Those require a special license, whereas just to manufacture gun parts does not as long as the buyer uses them personally and doesn’t sell the guns once they’re completed.

Celata’s product requires some manufacturing work by the buyer, he said.

“There’s no way to assemble this in any way that you can fire it,” he said. “You have to actually do some machining.” The raid has fueled rumors around Dillon that Celata was building machine guns. But he said none of the rifle and pistol parts he makes, once completed, are automatic weapons.

The government’s case, if Celata is charged with a crime, will come down to what constitutes a gun, said Quentin Rhoades, a Missoula attorney representing him. Rhoades stressed that he hasn’t seen a list of the items seized and couldn’t comment on them.

But Rhoades, who has represented the Montana Shooting Sports Association in other gun cases, said Celata did not intend to sell illegal firearms.

“It’s legal to create your own firearm, as long as you do it yourself,” Rhoades said. “He would provide instructions on how to complete that process, but he would not do it for you.” The so-called 80 percent market of gun products is a legal undertaking that the ATF is well aware of, Rhoades said. And Celata is well known because he’s one of the leading manufacturers of those products, but there are several other people selling similar gun parts.

There are all kinds of people who do that, and they’re not in jail,” Rhoades said. “I don’t believe that Mr. Celata should have been singled out this way.” Celata, who has been involved with the civil rights organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, said he has been a vocal proponent of the Constitutional right to own guns. Even if his items are returned and he’s not charged with a crime, Celata said the incident could put him and other gun part manufacturers out of business because clients will fear they’re buying something illegal.

“They’ve been wanting to shut down the 80 percent built market for a while, but they’d have to change the Constitution to do that,” he said. “Or they can just raid you and scare everybody away.” — Reporter Nick Gevock may be reached via email at nick.gevock@mtstandard.com


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; drugskilledbelushi; govwatch; jackbootedthugs; secondamendment

1 posted on 07/06/2006 4:27:47 PM PDT by TVenn
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To: All

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2006/tle371-20060611-05.html


JPFO ALERT:
ATF Raids KT Ordnance!
by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
www.jpfo.org/

Reprinted by The Libertarian Enterprise

June 8, 2006

Yesterday we received word that KT Ordnance, manufacturer of incomplete (80%-finished) frames, was raided for the alleged "illegal manufacture of firearms." KT Ordnance has been a great asset to those who wish to purchase unfinished receivers with which to anonymously manufacture their own firearms—a perfectly legal process, according to the BATFE website (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6).

You can see from photos of the AR-15 kit (www.jpfo.org/kto1.jpg and www.jpfo.org/kto2.jpg) that the product cannot possibly be a functioning "firearm"—it's simply a chunk of metal! So how can this happen?

Early reports suggest that—as Len Savage warned us in his "Talkin' to America" interview (www.jpfo.org/tta060508.htm)—the BATFE has arbitrarily decided that certain products have the "features and characteristics" of firearms. As can be expected, there exists no definition of exactly what "features and characteristics" are in question at this time.

Other reports indicate that much of KT Ordnance's inventory is being confiscated, and computer hard drives have been duplicated, although the computers themselves remain at KT Ordnance's location.

It appears that certain government agents are indeed getting desperate. Richard Celata, owner of KT Ordnance, has been a long-time supporter of JPFO and a staunch defender of the Second Amendment (see our alert at www.jpfo.org/alert20050513.htm). Did the raid take place because of his association with a Jewish civil rights organization? Was it related to the upcoming UN Conference on small arms (www.jpfo.org/alert20060523.htm)? Or could it be because too many gun owners are discovering that building their own firearms is simple, anonymous, and LEGAL (according to the BATFE's own site—see above)?

Details on the raid are at this time very, VERY sketchy. We will continue to report on this outrageous, vindictive action by the BATFE as more information comes in. Visitors to the KT Ordnance website will note that the site is no longer online. Richard has informed us that this was to prevent orders from coming in during this time, as there is no way to know what is being monitored or otherwise tracked by BATFE.

JPFO and Gun Owners of America (www.gunowners.org) are working to establish legal defense for KT Ordnance, and will keep you posted on our progress. In the meantime, please spread the word far and wide about this outrageous, indefensible action by the BATFE. Ask questions and demand answers from those in power who claim they are "friends" of gun owners.

We must do what we can to help and support our brothers-in- arms at KT Ordnance.

—The Liberty Crew


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Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2006 JPFO, Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long as the following JPFO contact information is included:

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2 posted on 07/06/2006 4:30:42 PM PDT by TVenn
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To: TVenn

Bump.


3 posted on 07/06/2006 4:33:38 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: TVenn

JBT's raid KT Ordnance ^
Posted by M1928A1 Thompson
On News/Activism ^ 06/11/2006 7:17:55 PM PDT · 77 replies · 1,369+ views
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647598/posts


4 posted on 07/06/2006 4:40:34 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: TVenn

Jackbooted government thug bump.


5 posted on 07/06/2006 4:46:42 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: All
Someone's 2nd Amendment rights are being "infringed"!
6 posted on 07/06/2006 4:56:33 PM PDT by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:-)
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To: ozzymandus

It will take a costly lawsuit, and possibly personal intervention by his Congressional representatives to effect the return of the confiscated property. That is the sad state of the BATFE.


7 posted on 07/06/2006 4:56:35 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: TVenn
Interesting post. I looked at the pictures of the receivers that JPFO has on their site. I'd buy one, except they have an "AUTO" position for the selector, i.e. a 3-position selector. Maybe the guy makes the standard 2-position selector (i.e. FIRE-SAFE).

I'm betting that the "AUTO" marking is what got him in trouble.

8 posted on 07/06/2006 5:40:23 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: Panzerfaust
Apparently what got him in trouble was the "build your own" parties he would hold periodically. It is alleged that at these parties (held at his plant) he would let customers use his cnc equipment to finish the receivers off. They were given brief instruction on what to do an then were allowed to clamp the receiver into place and push the activate button. The BATFE claims that he was in fact manufacturing the receiver because he was allowing this to occur on his equipment.
9 posted on 07/06/2006 6:31:06 PM PDT by ghostcat
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To: ghostcat
Apparently what got him in trouble was the "build your own" parties he would hold periodically.

Do you have a source for this claim?

Let me guess.

You think,like Janet Reno, that federal agents had to gas and burn the children at Waco to save them from Koresh?

How about the ATF raid on Waco?

Necessary because the Davidians were "stockpiling" weapons?

10 posted on 07/06/2006 10:13:13 PM PDT by TVenn
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To: ghostcat

Apologists for these jack booted thugs sickens me.


11 posted on 07/06/2006 10:15:41 PM PDT by TVenn
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To: TVenn
Actually the source for this was KT Ordnance website. "Unfortunately, the requirements for building these projects are not always within the reach of the average enthusiast. KT Ordnance offers something unique... an Open House/BBQ, where you can utilize our building and machinery to complete your project." (http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/)

The owner of KT Ordnance had said on his web page right after the raid that the BATFE had staged the raid to prevent him from holding one of his BBQ/assembly parties.

As for your guessing abilities you are batting zero. In calling me an apologist for BATFE you are sadly mistaken, I have no use for them at all!!! All I did was let Panzerfaust, know that the excuse used for the raid had nothing to do with the "auto" markings on the receiver. My personal opinion about all Gun laws that all gun laws are unconstitutional!

12 posted on 07/06/2006 11:20:38 PM PDT by ghostcat
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To: TVenn

P.S perhaps you should check out a persons profile before jumping to conclusions in the future


13 posted on 07/06/2006 11:23:24 PM PDT by ghostcat
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To: Panzerfaust
I'm betting that the "AUTO" marking is what got him in trouble.

very possible. there are a number of M16 specific parts that when combined, make an ar15 full auto. according to the ATF, posessing (doesn't have to be installed, just posessed) any ONE of those parts with an AR15 is a felony.. despite the fact that it takes all of the parts to make the auto feature functional.
14 posted on 07/07/2006 8:12:28 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: TVenn
“It’s legal to create your own firearm, as long as you do it yourself,” Rhoades said.

Not anymore.

High court's Calif. pot ruling also outlaws homemade machine guns

15 posted on 07/07/2006 8:19:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: ghostcat

Of all the despicable Federal agencies, ATF should be the most "feared." Not only is law not important to them but citizen lives are not either.


16 posted on 07/07/2006 8:22:43 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ghostcat
P.S perhaps you should check out a persons profile before jumping to conclusions in the future

Good advice.

My apologies.

17 posted on 07/07/2006 8:39:08 AM PDT by TVenn
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To: Wolfie

I am betting that the ruling is against machine guns only, not other firearms (semi-autos, etc.) because federal law does not allow any more machine guns to be available for civilians. Making your own would violate that law. There is no such provision for non full-auto firearms.


18 posted on 07/07/2006 11:29:01 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Panzerfaust

The selector is an entirely different part. Just having it marked on the outside makes it neither full auto nor illegal.


19 posted on 07/07/2006 11:32:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Panzerfaust; ghostcat

I am betting that it is due to him being friendly to JPFO. The BATFE has been pissed off at them and anyone even remotely tied to them due to JPFO making known what a bunch of idiots the BATFE is. Shoestrings are machine guns, malfunctioning semi-automatic rifle is an “illegal machine gun”, incompetant "experts", etc.


20 posted on 07/07/2006 11:39:12 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Wolfie
Just found this at http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6 A6) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle?

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]

21 posted on 07/07/2006 12:03:46 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: TVenn
Richard Celata said agents with the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms went through his home and workshop near Argenta for hours on Wednesday, June 7, but didn’t find anything illegal.

...and just who do those agents ULTIMATELY report to?

22 posted on 07/07/2006 12:06:59 PM PDT by houeto
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To: TVenn
“They’ve been wanting to shut down the 80 percent built market for a while, but they’d have to change the Constitution to do that,

The Constitution didn't seem to stop them when they banned common infantry rifles and machine guns. It didn't stop then when they banned semiautomatic clones of the current issue military rifle. They "don't need no stinking constitutional amendment" they just ban by legislative, or in this case bureaucratic regulations, and then the courts will not enforce the constitution as written.

23 posted on 07/07/2006 9:35:15 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Elsiejay
That is the sad state of the BATFE.

The BATFE, and it's predecessor the BATF, and other predecessor agencies have *always* been that "sad state". But then what can one expect from an agency whose very existence is an affront to the Constitution?

24 posted on 07/07/2006 9:37:54 PM PDT by El Gato
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Comment #25 Removed by Moderator

To: TVenn; JTN; Know your rights
“We haven’t been charged with any crimes, and obviously what they found here didn’t violate any laws because I would have been arrested on the spot".

Oh, Richie boy, you've got a LOT to learn about propery seizure in these United States.

26 posted on 07/12/2006 4:28:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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