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Man Fights To Have Scene Removed From Disney (CARS) Film
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 06 JULY 2006 | CBS2CHICAGO

Posted on 07/06/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: Kirkwood
You don't get over the loss of a child.

No, but you can stop making a public spectacle of yourself. Your "defense" would also apply to Cindy Sheehan.

I'm amazed I even have to say that.

And I'm amazed that a FReeper would buy into this "Woe is me" bilge. This isn't about anyone's child; it's an attention whore trying to parley a tragedy into permanent importance.

Over a cartoon movie, no less ...

101 posted on 07/07/2006 7:11:18 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: jamaly
If someone ever kills a child of yours, you should remember this advice.

Spare me the karmic forewarning. If such a tragedy should ever befall me -- and several of similar nature HAVE -- I would hope that I would handle it with a trifle more dignity.

102 posted on 07/07/2006 7:12:43 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Ichneumon

***Speaking of "small details", you got yours wrong -- "his kid", the dead one, wasn't driving the car, she was a passenger.***

....With her brother driving.


103 posted on 07/07/2006 7:15:05 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: SweetCaroline
You have a cold heart there Ironjack.

Let me set the record straight: When I posted "Get over it," I meant "Get over the public grief, the 'poor me,' center-of-attention that a grieving parent becomes in the wake of such a tragedy." I didn't mean stop mourning your child, or get over the fact that she's gone. I meant stop playing the martyr and waving the child's bloody robe to attract attention to yourself.

Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe that this guy has any right to pressure Disney to remove a scene just because it reminds him of a personal tragedy???? Talk about an inflated sense of Self!

104 posted on 07/07/2006 7:16:57 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SteveMcKing

Cars racing across oncoming trains have been a staple of the movie industry since its inception. If we're going to start editing out these kinds of scenes, we better bring a lot of scissors.

What about Little Mermaid and Finding Nemo and Shark Tale -- kids have been killed by Sharks, shouldn't all menacing scenes of shark attacks be removed from those movies as well?


105 posted on 07/07/2006 7:18:54 AM PDT by Bryher1
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To: eddie willers
As my mother used to say: "Oh my aching back!"

Kewl! I thought I was an only child.

Hi Bro!

106 posted on 07/07/2006 7:20:33 AM PDT by null and void (Charlie Mackenzie on haggis: I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.)
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To: pcottraux
That's what you're teaching kids in a learning environment. The movies are a recreation. It's like playtime...something fun to go out and do. When kids play games, be it cops and robbers or what have you, they themselves emulate violence and dangerous or precarious situations. Because that's exciting, and that's what playing or "adventure" is all about.

You just said that "they themselves emulate violence and dangerous or precarious situations." which is the whole point.

My point, though, was that since kids don't actually drive cars, there really shouldn't be too much of a worry of them trying to do what the cars do in the movie.

And nothing they see and hear now will affect them later?

The fear seems to be that children are going to mimic what they see in the movie by actually trying to beat trains in races on railroad tracks. I'm wondering what the children are doing at railroad tracks unattended in the first place.

That was never a point in the article.

To me it seemed like a "double-issue"...meaning that he was concerned about two things at once: the safety of others, and his own personal grief. Here's his quote from the article: "As I'm sitting there, I couldn't believe it because this is a red car. My daughter was killed in a red car,"...what does it being a RED car have to do with anything?

It was a great irony for him. Btw, we have a chief of police in the extended family. Guess what color of car is considered the most dangerous by PDs? And he says that statistics bear that out.

107 posted on 07/07/2006 7:20:48 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Real cars don't talk. I'm tired of activists who constantly deny any awareness of the off button or personal responsibility.


108 posted on 07/07/2006 7:21:25 AM PDT by SaveTheChief ("This one goes to eleven.")
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To: Anvilhead

Watching the Shrek bloopers leads me to believe you are wrong... they had a bunch of computer animation errors in the outtakes.


109 posted on 07/07/2006 7:21:51 AM PDT by Bryher1
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To: Gorobei

"The Dukes of Hazzard" was a sacred hour in our house, topped only by "Monday Night Football."

Oh, how I wanted a car with doors welded shut.

Then I grew up a little and started wearing skirts and realized the impracticability of my dream.


110 posted on 07/07/2006 7:24:17 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

You are such a hater. ;)


111 posted on 07/07/2006 7:26:39 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: jamaly
That's not what Mr. Wilson thinks:

"As I'm sitting there, I couldn't believe it because this is a red car. My daughter was killed in a red car," said Lanny Wilson with the DuPage Railroad Safety Council.
112 posted on 07/07/2006 7:28:46 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: IronJack
I didn't mean stop mourning your child, or get over the fact that she's gone. I meant stop playing the martyr and waving the child's bloody robe to attract attention to yourself.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

113 posted on 07/07/2006 7:30:28 AM PDT by null and void (Charlie Mackenzie on haggis: I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.)
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To: jamaly

Then perhaps the adults, who inarguably have more control over the kids than Disney does, should teach the kids correctly.

Don't make a parenting issue a "social" one.


114 posted on 07/07/2006 7:30:28 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: SuzanneC
From the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration:

"More than 5,000 collisions occur at these intersections (grade crossings) each year, resulting in almost 600 fatalities and 1,800 injuries. A motor vehicle/train collision is many times more likely to produce fatalities than a roadway collision."

Source

115 posted on 07/07/2006 7:30:30 AM PDT by steveo (Fathers Against Rude Television: You may already be a member)
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To: pcottraux
They know that there is such a thing as death, and that the character COULD be hurt or killed (that's what makes it exciting).

That's exactly right. And you pointed out in your other post that they emulate danger and violence. But somewhere between grade school and drivers ed, common sense kicks in? Do you mean that we all don't see idiots talking on cell phones while driving? Couple of weeks back, an idiot in a dump truck tried beating a train. He killed his passenger too. The train engineer said that you remember their faces in your dreams for the rest of your life. People DO try to beat trains. The train always wins.

116 posted on 07/07/2006 7:31:34 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If only Lanny Wilson were troubled by the word 'God' on our currency or in the pledge of allegiance - then he could get a judge to issue a command on his behalf. Alas - I don't think the judges will come to his aid. And yet, he's got such a strong and compelling argument. Is there no justice in this nation?


117 posted on 07/07/2006 7:34:28 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: IronJack

Right on, Jack.

My clue was that he took personally the fact that Lightning McQueen was a RED car! How self-centered! If LMQ had been gold or something he could have raced the train??


118 posted on 07/07/2006 7:35:52 AM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: All
It is my opinion that the protesting of Cars is due to the renewed interest that is created in Route 66. I know the focus is on the train; but tis my opinion.


click! (aif file will open in WMP)


119 posted on 07/07/2006 7:36:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Me too. I even jumped through the open window of an AMC Pacer like dem Duke boyz did and hurt my back. Can I sue?

Surely you're entitled to something for the pain and suffering of driving an AMC Pacer...

120 posted on 07/07/2006 7:36:51 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - Ifhttp://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: IronJack

"No, but you can stop making a public spectacle of yourself."

Yeah, there's this local woman whose 14-year-old son died of cardiac arrest while running and she just won't stop trying to persuade schools and public venues to buy AEDs. She even had the gall to persuade a local health care company to donate 38 of the things to high schools and had the temerity to appear on TV to talk about it!!! I mean, what business does she have trying to get folks to do that? She should just get over that public grief and keep it to herself.


121 posted on 07/07/2006 7:37:37 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Bryher1
The closest thing to a blooper is a technical or rendering issue. Think of it like this, an animation is like a novel and a "blooper" is like a miswritten chapter.

Like a writer has to write it for you to read it, an animator has to animate it for you to watch it.
122 posted on 07/07/2006 7:40:36 AM PDT by Anvilhead (Dammit Jim, I'm an Ameri-can not an Ameri-can't.)
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To: Kirkwood

"Get over it."

You don't get over the loss of a child.
I'm amazed I even have to say that."

My father died from falling and hitting his head. Therefore, I want all scenes in movies of people falling and hitting their head removed.

No, the reality is, I still occasionaly get a wince or two from some thing that remind me of my father's accident, but I have, over time, gotten over it, and moved on with my life. That doesnt mean I love my father any less, or mourn him any less, and yes, I will never truly get it out of my head and heart (as it should be), but I "got over it". It's part of the mourning process. I've gradually been able to come to grips with and deal with all of the aspects of losing him, and been able to grow and move past it in a healthy way.

I feel for the man, and his loss, but he needs to move on. Perhaps there's a nicer, more pleasant and compassionate way to say it, but he does need to get over it, if he's seeking to censor anything that reminds him of his loss. Bluntly put, it's selfish of him to deprive others of anything, when he's unable to move on. If this were indulged on a wide scale, there would be no movies, no books, no songs, no nothing.

I understand the grieving process, and it's heartbreaking, but I know from eduring it, that he's not dealing with it in a healthy way. He needs help, and removing that scene isn't what he needs.


123 posted on 07/07/2006 7:41:03 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: MilspecRob

"But the poor man after 12 years is still apparently consumed with grief."

So what would you say is the time limit?


124 posted on 07/07/2006 7:41:43 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Anvilhead; supercat
If they say it's a blooper or an outtake, they are lying. It's an extra meant to sell the dvd or movie.

I can't remember if the "outtakes" from Toy Story (I and II) were in the theatrical release, but they're hysterically funny on the DVD. And yes, I know they aren't really "bloopers."

IMHO, you miss the best part of "Cars" if you don't stay until the very end of the credits.

125 posted on 07/07/2006 7:42:15 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - Ifhttp://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I was once frightened by a dream about large furry aliens.

Therefore all movies should be scrubbed clean of any appearances by large furry aliens from Wookies down to but not including ewoks. (ewoks should be removed purely due to common decency)

126 posted on 07/07/2006 7:46:04 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Gone GF; IronJack

That reminds me, Gone GF...

There is a scene in Mission Impossible 3 wherein tom terrific is racing against time to save a fellow agent who has a bomb stuck up her nose. He needs an AED to deliver a shock in order to deactivate the bomb. Alas, the aircraft they are on is not equipped with an AED.


127 posted on 07/07/2006 7:46:14 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: usmcobra

The scene should never have made it to the final cut in that movie.
The last time I checked, ANIMATED films don't have to be cut, nor are there any out takes or bloopers.

Not entirely true.

(BTW, this is a PIXAR movie, Disney bought them after the bulk of the movie was made)

They (Pixar, Sony, et al.) do plan and render more than makes the screen - scenes are trimmed for timing, to trim the plot, and whole subplots are rendered and taken out in the editing process. Granted, the wasted footage is a pittance compared to the sheer bulk of film for a conventional movie, but there are scenes rendered which end up on the cutting room hard drive - often this material ends up as bonus material on the DVD.

As for bloopers, computer animated movies have a whole new breed of blooper, where the rendering script screws up, resulting in wierd and often hilarious scenes - the Shrek DVDs have footage of Donkey with severe hair issues, for example.

And, of course, Pixar makes intentional bloopers - the ones for 'A Bug's Life" and "Toy Story" are hilarious.


128 posted on 07/07/2006 7:48:36 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: Calpernia

I would rather be driving the Mother Road!
129 posted on 07/07/2006 7:49:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

U. S. Highway "Route" 66 was commissioned in 1926, the year U. S. numbered highways came into existence. It consisted of a 'collection" of two-lane concrete or asphalt paved roads extending from Chicago to Santa Monica, running through the states of Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. Route 66 is considered the "Mother Road" of American highways. The old "Main Street of America" was deactivated in 1984 and the U. S. 66 highway shields taken down, after being replaced by the modern interstate highway system.
130 posted on 07/07/2006 7:52:23 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

When is his interview with Larry King? Will he be making the morning talk show rounds? And, the absolute coup, when will he be on Oprah? And the ultimate authority tells us how we should feel about this.


131 posted on 07/07/2006 7:52:31 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: TonyRo76
"I grew up watching the Dukes of Hazzard"

OK, seriously how many people whistle Dixie and rev their engine when going over a little hill? anyone? anyone?

I know I do. Scares my wife every time. (sinister grin)

132 posted on 07/07/2006 7:55:49 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: IronJack

Agreed. While I understand the urge to have protect your children, we're a society of overprotective parents in danger of pussifying our kids.


133 posted on 07/07/2006 8:02:53 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: Xenalyte
Then perhaps the adults, who inarguably have more control over the kids than Disney does, should teach the kids correctly.

Parents seem to give their authority away. And how many use TV and DVDs as a babysitter? Without screening what their kids are seeing?

Don't make a parenting issue a "social" one.

Sort of off topic but one of the things that bothers us conservatives is that parenting HAS become a social issue. Too many parents don't discipline nor will they let anyone else do it. Look at the schools.

134 posted on 07/07/2006 8:03:13 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Xenalyte
Clearly Mr. Wilson's absolute moral authority entitles him to be spared the sight of red cars for the rest of his life.

Indeed.

I cannot begin to count the number of times I narrowly escaped with my life, while dropping anvils on my head, that were designed for the roadrunner,

or how many times I nearly died while stuffing my fingers into the business end of my freind's shotgun while out hunting wabbits.

Warner Brothers and Hanna/Barbra owes me, and a whole generation of people huge sums of money for the emotional and physical damage sustained when we mirrored what we saw in those...ah...er...cartoons.

135 posted on 07/07/2006 8:04:43 AM PDT by toros
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Is this one of those deals where someone says something arguable and we aren't allowed to respond to him because he is a victim?


136 posted on 07/07/2006 8:07:00 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: HIDEK6

yup


137 posted on 07/07/2006 8:22:16 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: toddlintown
"IT'S A FREAKING CARTOON!"

Thanks toddlintown, finally some common sense! Gee the FR is turning into the chicken little fan club. View just about any show, cartoon etc and I am sure if some idiot tried to reproduce some scene in the production we would have another Darwin Award contestant.

This thread does bring up an old sick joke about the (fill in your favorite ethnic) guy who raced a train to a crossing and hit the 53rd car. I bet not everyone gets this on the first reading.

138 posted on 07/07/2006 8:23:03 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: steveo

Thank you.


139 posted on 07/07/2006 8:23:04 AM PDT by SuzanneC
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To: HIDEK6

Got it in one, you did.

And remember, don't argue with him, because to do so would DENY HIS PAIN, and you don't want to be labeled a HATER, do you?


140 posted on 07/07/2006 8:23:32 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Gone GF

She's looking for a sponsorship deal from a company that makes the whatever they are.


141 posted on 07/07/2006 8:25:02 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yet another example of the "Infallibility of Grief", as opined by Anne Coulter.


142 posted on 07/07/2006 8:32:59 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Man Fights To Have Scene Removed From Disney (CARS) Film"

I think this guy is on to something here.

In light of all the school shootings I think we should remove any scene where someone points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger.

Lets start with "Saving Private Ryan"

Its for the children you know!

143 posted on 07/07/2006 8:36:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Mad Dawgg
In light of all the school shootings I think we should remove any scene where someone points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger.

No need to remove the scene, We have computers now. We can just digitally replace the guns with walkie-talkies.

144 posted on 07/07/2006 9:44:15 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Geez: Maybe, just maybe somebody ought to tell their kids that movies are not real! That just might fix a lot of things.
145 posted on 07/07/2006 9:59:12 AM PDT by Denny0205 (Life is tough; it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Though I feel for this man's loss I will just say what I tell my kids with any movie we watch.

These are not real pictures. This is not a documentary. Bambi's mother is actually in her trailer drinking a latte after that scene.


146 posted on 07/07/2006 10:02:35 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

How about this change: Car races train but has second thoughts; says "I can't do this" and lets train pass; train says "thank you", as do a dozen cars carried by the train. The lesson is taught.


147 posted on 07/07/2006 10:03:50 AM PDT by Tax Government (Defeat the evil miscreant donkeys and their rhino lackeys.)
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To: Gone GF
Yeah, there's this local woman whose 14-year-old son died of cardiac arrest while running and she just won't stop trying to persuade schools and public venues to buy AEDs.

I'm not familiar with that particular loon. Sounds like another attention hog trying to wring some meaning from a personal tragedy ... at public expense of course.

She even had the gall to persuade a local health care company to donate 38 of the things to high schools and had the temerity to appear on TV to talk about it!!!

Strongarmed some gullible health care company, eh? Well, there's always some sucker who will fall for the boo hoo chorus, I guess.

I mean, what business does she have trying to get folks to do that?

Exactly.

She should just get over that public grief and keep it to herself.

Hear, hear!

148 posted on 07/07/2006 10:06:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: toddlintown
"IT'S A FREAKING CARTOON!"

Bump

149 posted on 07/07/2006 10:14:27 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: HIDEK6

"She's looking for a sponsorship deal from a company that makes the whatever they are."

I can't tell from your post but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're kidding.


150 posted on 07/07/2006 10:25:54 AM PDT by Gone GF
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