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Man Fights To Have Scene Removed From Disney (CARS) Film
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 06 JULY 2006 | CBS2CHICAGO

Posted on 07/06/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: HIDEK6

"Is this one of those deals where someone says something arguable and we aren't allowed to respond to him because he is a victim?"

Absolutely not, but "get over it" doesn't make it as an appropriate response.


151 posted on 07/07/2006 10:27:46 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: IronJack

"Strongarmed some gullible health care company, eh? Well, there's always some sucker who will fall for the boo hoo chorus, I guess."

Actually when I say "persuaded," they saw her on TV and came to her. She stongarmed no one. Sorry you consider an attempt to save lives the boo-hoo chorus, or a private corporation -- particularly one involved in healthcare -- voluntarily deciding to be involved in saving lives being a sucker. I thought Freepers were in favor of the private sector, not the government, doing these things. Guess you're not in favor of anybody doing it.


152 posted on 07/07/2006 10:42:13 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gorobei
I jumped a river once, the bridge had been washed away in a flood from years past. Anyway, using my vast knowledge (mostly gained from watching TV & movies and listening to the guy who smells funny on the street corner) I jumped the gorge or river or whatever it was and I made it! Both cop cars crashed into the stream (or whatever it was) and cursed me as I landed, the problem is I kind of tweaked my neck in the process. Because of this I sued the producers of the Dukes of Hazard, Hooper (the movie) and everyone involved in the filming of Smokey and the Bandit but the case got throw out on some BS technicality.

Anyway, I would like to try and sued again but in more of a class action lawsuit kind of suit but I need people who have had similar experiences as the one I have had. I will be fileing early next year.
153 posted on 07/07/2006 11:04:35 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Calpernia

I appreciate your talking about Route 66...the first time our family used Route 66, was in 1958 or so, while doing our first car trip from Chicago to California...route 66 was what we used coming back from California...I still can remember some of the roads, and some of the motels we stayed at and the restaurants we dined in...my dad did all the driving, and he quite enjoyed driving along on Route 66...

Thanks for the memories...


154 posted on 07/07/2006 1:19:23 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

I hope you get to see Cars. The stops and characters were based off of real people.

Very enjoyable movie!


155 posted on 07/07/2006 1:29:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gone GF
Sorry you consider an attempt to save lives the boo-hoo chorus,

How many lives you gonna save? In the entire history of high school sports, how often has this happened? But let's run panicking over the exception and ignore the rule. All so we can act like we've really made some "contribution" to the betterment of society. Yeah, sure.

or a private corporation -- particularly one involved in healthcare -- voluntarily deciding to be involved in saving lives being a sucker.

If I were a stockholder in that corporation, I'd want some answers as to why the management thought it advisable to give away our product just to assuage some hysterical attention hog. If the PR proved valuable, then it might not be a bad form of advertising. But if it was just to garner good will from Soccer Mom and Safety Sandy, I'd raise hell.

I thought Freepers were in favor of the private sector, not the government, doing these things.

I'm not in favor of ANYBODY doing things that don't need to be done. This doesn't need to be done.

Guess you're not in favor of anybody doing it.

Wow! You ARE perceptive!

156 posted on 07/07/2006 1:53:38 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: DJ MacWoW
You just said that "they themselves emulate violence and dangerous or precarious situations." which is the whole point.

What I meant was EMULATE = they don't actually do it, they pretend to. Like, one kid is the train and the other is the car. They're not actually on the railroad tracks.

And nothing they see and hear now will affect them later?

I have a hard time imagining that someone's going to race a train when they're 16 because they saw it in a movie when they were 6.

That was never a point in the article.

Does it have to be? Is that a new rule on FR?

It was a great irony for him.

So we should change a movie just to keep from hurting one man's feelings? Why doesn't he just not see the movie?

And he says that statistics bear that out.

I drive a red car. Does that magically transform me into a dangerous driver, who is going to race a train?

157 posted on 07/07/2006 3:59:51 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: DJ MacWoW
Let me rephrase for a minute. Emulate = pretend, as in not actually doing it. Pretending to shoot each other while playing cops and robbers is an example.

Do you mean that we all don't see idiots talking on cell phones while driving?

And they do this because they see it in animated movies when they're kids?

People do stupid things not because they see it in movies and try it for themselves, but because...guess what? They're stupid.

It is kind of an inherent left-wing idea that people's stupid mistakes, violent behavior, etc. is not caused by the individual, but by "society." In other words, blaming everything else for a person's mistake...except for the person themselves. In college they call it "sociology."

158 posted on 07/07/2006 4:03:55 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux
What I meant was EMULATE = they don't actually do it, they pretend to. Like, one kid is the train and the other is the car.

Bunk. And you know it is.

I have a hard time imagining that someone's going to race a train when they're 16 because they saw it in a movie when they were 6.

When something is presented as "cool" the idea takes root. Witness the thug/rap culture. Kids ARE what they see and hear whether you like it or not.

Does it have to be? Is that a new rule on FR?

You said: I'm also trying to comprehend the idea of parents letting their children play around railroad tracks unattended.

You were attributing something to the article that wasn't there.

So we should change a movie just to keep from hurting one man's feelings?

That wasn't the point. The color of the car was added irony. The point is that an unsafe act is presented as "cool" by a cute little red car.

I drive a red car. Does that magically transform me into a dangerous driver, who is going to race a train?

I didn't say anything about a train in connection with red cars. I said the Police Chief said statistics show that people who drive red cars are more likely to be risk takers. Argue with the statistics if you like.

159 posted on 07/07/2006 4:37:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: pcottraux
And they do this because they see it in animated movies when they're kids?

Nothing like taking a point out of context, eh?

You seem to believe that common sense is inate and it's not. Hence my point about drivers and cellphones. People believe accidents happen to idiots, not them, "I can drive and talk".This spans the behaviour spectrum. "Drugs won't hurt ME, cigarettes won't hurt ME, speeding won't hurt ME". Then they find that they aren't "bullet proof".

It is kind of an inherent left-wing idea that people's stupid mistakes, violent behavior, etc. is not caused by the individual, but by "society." In other words, blaming everything else for a person's mistake...except for the person themselves. In college they call it "sociology."

I believe in personal responsibility but would you allow pedophiles to receive Namblas newsletter while in jail. Or a rapist to receive "Playboy"? If not, why? Again, kids emulate what they see. Petra did a song years ago called "Computer Brains". Bet you can't guess what the premise is. A line in the song says, "Garbage in, garbage out".

160 posted on 07/07/2006 4:52:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: jamaly
Obviously you are too childish to realize the complaint is that this scene in the movie is a very bad example for children

Obviously you are a prime example of being too stupid to be allowed to live by your self or allowed to vote. You should never be allowed access to a computer terminal because you are a mindless fool. Your group home supervisor needs to be reprimanded for negligence because he left you on your own.

161 posted on 07/07/2006 5:46:06 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: SweetCaroline
Pray you never loose a child, because you'll never get over it.

Please have the good sense and taste to mourn in private and not show your disfunction by becoming a screeching idiot and trying to down every one elses good time.

By the way the word is LOSE not LOOSE. OOOS not OOOZE.

162 posted on 07/07/2006 6:00:22 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: IronJack

Hey, give the simperer KIRKWOOD some repect. He probably stopped posting on a I Love Rudy or a McCain for president thread to post his limp thoughts here.


163 posted on 07/07/2006 6:09:03 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: Gone GF
Yeah, there's this local woman whose 14-year-old son died of cardiac arrest while running and she just won't stop trying to persuade schools and public venues to buy AEDs. She even had the gall to persuade a local health care company to donate 38 of the things to high schools and had the temerity to appear on TV to talk about it!!! I mean, what business does she have trying to get folks to do that? She should

14 year old kids die how many times a year in this country while running? She wants the school to waste resources because her kid died. Tell her to take a hike.

164 posted on 07/07/2006 6:19:44 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Bunk. And you know it is.

So when kids play "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and indians," they're actually shooting each other instead of just pretending to? And in the example I said (one kid is the car and the other is the train--they're emulating what they saw in the movie), that kid isn't a kid, he's really a train? These kids have powerful imaginations.

When something is presented as "cool" the idea takes root. Witness the thug/rap culture. Kids ARE what they see and hear whether you like it or not.

I don't like it, but I still don't believe it. It all depends on their upbringing. I don't think thug/rap is SOLELY responsible for the violent crime, though I think it is partially responsible. I also think upbringing is heavily involved. And I just have a hard time picturing a kid seeing the train scene in a movie and then ten years later he decides he's going to try it because he saw it in an animated movie. I present myself as an example. I saw cartoons like that all the time as a kid, yet I have not been tempted once to try it. And I just turned 22, so I wasn't a kid that long ago.

You were attributing something to the article that wasn't there.

It was in case someone brought up that point later, I would disspell it before they could mention it.

That wasn't the point. The color of the car was added irony.

Oh, no! Not IRONY!!!!!! God help us all.

I didn't say anything about a train in connection with red cars.

You're talking about unsafe driving, and that includes train racing. Let's arrest all people who drive red cars! And make red cars illegal.

Argue with the statistics if you like.

I'm feelin' lucky.

165 posted on 07/07/2006 6:25:02 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Gone GF
So what would you say is the time limit?

Have the good taste to mourn in private and leave every one else alone.

All this waste of human flesh is doing is using his dead kid so that he can get his Andy Warholl prescribed 15 minutes of fame. He's despicable and needs his ass kicked.

166 posted on 07/07/2006 6:25:19 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: pcottraux
You're talking about unsafe driving, and that includes train racing. Let's arrest all people who drive red cars! And make red cars illegal.

Just be aware that the police watch red cars more than any other color because of the statistics. I'm a Grandma and got rid of a red car after Mark told me why I was a cop magnet. I got tired of being tailed. My current car is silver and I no longer get shadowed.

167 posted on 07/07/2006 6:31:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Nothing like taking a point out of context, eh?

Your point seems to be that people are so stupid they can't think for themselves, and that they need some sort of nanny force (people like you who are smarter than everyone else) to protect them from themselves.

People believe accidents happen to idiots, not them, "I can drive and talk".This spans the behaviour spectrum. "Drugs won't hurt ME, cigarettes won't hurt ME, speeding won't hurt ME". Then they find that they aren't "bullet proof".

It's not taking it out of context. You're saying people do stupid things because they think it's cool to do stupid things because they see it in movies when they're kids. But this metaphor doesn't work. People talking on cell phones while driving isn't the same as people racing trains. People talk on cell phones while driving because it seems to be the most convenient thing to do. I don't know if a significant number of people actually race trains, but if anyone does, it's for the thrill. If this idea happens at all, and they REALLY do it because they "think it's cool," it probably would be because they saw it recently in a "Need for Speed" movie or something, NOT because they saw it in an animated movie when they were kids.

Heck, I don't even remember anything from the animated movies I saw as a kid. I couldn't for the life of me tell you what happens in all those Disney features I watched over and over again.

would you allow pedophiles to receive Namblas newsletter while in jail. Or a rapist to receive "Playboy"? If not, why?

If they're already in prison, why should I care? The only problem I'd have with it is that if they receive those things they're not being significantly punished for their crimes.

Petra did a song years ago called "Computer Brains". Bet you can't guess what the premise is. A line in the song says, "Garbage in, garbage out".

You mean some dumb ol' rock band from the 80's said it!!!??? It must be the GOSPEL TRUTH!!!

168 posted on 07/07/2006 6:37:31 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, I drive a red car and I've never been shadowed.


169 posted on 07/07/2006 6:39:00 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux

Why are you so angry?


170 posted on 07/07/2006 6:49:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Gorobei
I grew up watching the Dukes of Hazzard, and as far as I recollect, I've never had the urge to jump a river because I was in a hurry.

Well, I was never stupid enough to try it, but I did have the urge.
171 posted on 07/07/2006 6:53:56 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Xenalyte
Then I grew up a little and started wearing skirts and realized the impracticability of my dream.

Which is about the time the guys in the neighborhood started dreaming you had welded doors. ;)
172 posted on 07/07/2006 6:58:13 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: SaveTheChief
Real cars don't talk.

My 280Z did.

173 posted on 07/07/2006 7:50:28 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: jamaly
weekend night 1 out of 10 cars has a drunk driver

Yea and he/she is gay too.

174 posted on 07/07/2006 7:54:47 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: razorback-bert

Let me say this a different way.

Real cars are not sentient.


175 posted on 07/07/2006 8:03:50 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("This one goes to eleven.")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Someone really did pee in my Corn Flakes this morning.


176 posted on 07/07/2006 8:10:01 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux
Someone really did pee in my Corn Flakes this morning.

Dang! I flipped cat food in my tea. And it's not even a Monday! ;)

177 posted on 07/07/2006 8:16:13 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: razorback-bert

"Lights are on!"


178 posted on 07/07/2006 8:34:19 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: metalurgist

"14 year old kids die how many times a year in this country while running? She wants the school to waste resources because her kid died. Tell her to take a hike."

Yep, I know this stuff never happens, even though my daughter died at age 18 from cardiac arrest after running track and XC for 7 years and earning 12 high school letters. No signs of trouble before it happened. In fact, if you'd bother to do a search, you'd find this isn't unusual. And even if the AEDs don't help a young athlete, they'd very likely help an older fan in the gym.

Sorry for exploiting my grief here, though. Quite thoughtless of me.


179 posted on 07/07/2006 9:07:16 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: metalurgist

"Have the good taste to mourn in private and leave every one else alone."

Gosh, what a great idea. Never ever should anybody try to raise money to help others or get any good for others from the death of a loved one. What a terrible, awful thing to do.

"He's despicable and needs his ass kicked."

What a wonderful human being you are. Would you please kick the ass of this guy whose daughter is dead?

How many of your children are dead? I hope none.


180 posted on 07/07/2006 9:13:42 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: IronJack

"How many lives you gonna save? In the entire history of high school sports, how often has this happened?"

Well, if you'd bothered to check, you'd find that sudden heart problems are THE most common cause of death in middle school, high school, and college sports. But of course you wouldn't bother to check or to care. Sudden cardiac arrest killed my daughter at age 18 after 7 years of running and even though she was in good enough shape to earn 12 high school letters. I wasn't going to mention this, but your answers are so incredibly obnoxious I gave in.

"If I were a stockholder in that corporation, I'd want some answers as to why the management thought it advisable to give away our product just to assuage some hysterical attention hog. If the PR proved valuable, then it might not be a bad form of advertising. But if it was just to garner good will from Soccer Mom and Safety Sandy, I'd raise hell."

Thank goodness you aren't a stockholder (you can't be anyway since this company doesn't have public stock; still they netted $66 million last year even with that awfully terrible $76,000 donation of AEDs. Nearly bankrupted the poor company). The corporation wasn't trying to assauge attention hogs. They took a hard look at the statistics and decided this was a good move that would save lives among the young and the older fans.


181 posted on 07/07/2006 9:30:49 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gone GF
Yep, I know this stuff never happens, even though my daughter died at age 18 from cardiac arrest after running track and XC for 7 years and earning 12 high school letters.

I said this rarely happens. What if, what if, what if. Using your grief like a club against good people so that they feel guilty and waste resources is a despicable deed.

182 posted on 07/07/2006 9:32:52 PM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: metalurgist

"What if, what if, what if. Using your grief like a club against good people so that they feel guilty and waste resources is a despicable deed."

Well by golly, I guess since it rarely happens nobody should try to ever try to prevent it. Many forms of cancer are pretty rare so let's stop spending money on them. Heck, that money is even more of a waste than the AEDs, since we know that the AEDs will in fact save lives, not just among young athletes, but also among older folks who get excited at sports events or who are even just out walking. Man, what a waste of cash.


183 posted on 07/07/2006 9:40:29 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Goodness gracious. They must have gotten the corpse(s) out with a suction hose or something. OUCH.


184 posted on 07/07/2006 9:49:30 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: Gone GF
if you'd bothered to check, you'd find that sudden heart problems are THE most common cause of death in middle school, high school, and college sports. But of course you wouldn't bother to check or to care.

I also note that you didn't answer the question. How often does this happen? "It's the most common cause of death" doesn't give me a number.

Seventy-six thousand dollars is a lot of money to address a situation that will never happen again. I'm glad this corporation can be so generous. Still it makes me wonder why they're not so generous with ALL the potential victims of cardiac arrest.

Your daughter's death was an accident. Nothing more. It doesn't justify any changes in anyone's behavior, because it is nothing more than a statistical aberration. Given a large enough population over a long enough period of time, someone will succumb to a piano falling on their head. Does that mean we should solicit Steinway to make Nerf pianos?

No amount of gadgetry or gimmickry or bubblewrap is going to make the world completely safe. Life is a death sentence; none of us gets out alive.

Your daughter could just as easily dropped dead driving a car or sitting at the soda counter. You're trying to make her death a "statement." It isn't. It's just a senseless tragedy. You're not going to make any more "sense" out of it by parading around demanding pacemakers at every water stop and EKG machines at the finish line.

185 posted on 07/07/2006 10:29:31 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I used to ride a mule around our tiny town.........I would cringe when I heard the train whistle and we were near it.....................Festus was so strong he would wurl around and run a fast as he could...along side of the train.....if there were people there...they would be laughing....scared the cr%$* out of me!


186 posted on 07/08/2006 12:25:19 PM PDT by muddypaws
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To: Gone GF
So what would you say is the time limit?

Oh my It was not my intent to even suggest a time limit. Just to say how sad it is to have such grief.

As I said, I have no children, but if something like this happened to my beloved nephew, I fear that it could be a two casket viewing. I doubt if my heart could take it.

187 posted on 07/08/2006 1:28:14 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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