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Man Fights To Have Scene Removed From Disney (CARS) Film
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 06 JULY 2006 | CBS2CHICAGO

Posted on 07/06/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

These are grown men? Or what passes for grown men in America today? My Uncle Wylie Coyote has been run over flat by paving machines, had countless anvils dropped on him and been the victim of backfiring Acme explosive devices. I watched it all, but he's just fine today, although you don't see great actors like him much these days.


51 posted on 07/06/2006 8:01:38 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Xenalyte

I am Spartacus and I drive a red car


52 posted on 07/06/2006 8:03:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
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To: SteveMcKing

Wow. To me, Disney movies have REALLY improved in the last 15 years or so. I have loved every single Pixar film (Dreamworks just hasn't figured out the right formula yet).

And Disney's sports movies of the last few years (The Rookie, Remember the Titans, Miracle, Glory Road) have been spectacular.

No accounting for taste, I guess.


53 posted on 07/06/2006 8:03:50 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"You never get over it. You just cope and try to go on," he said.

"And by 'cope and try to go on', I mean you inflict your misery on those around you."

54 posted on 07/06/2006 8:05:33 PM PDT by TEEHEE
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To: usmcobra
Animated story boards are the test vehicles, a technique borrowed from Studio Ghibli. No out takes or unnecessary effort required.

Story reels have been around a long time. And if something's not going to work, it's better to excise it before spending time animating it. Sometimes, however, technical problems can occur with computer animation or rendering (e.g. Donkey's hair looking like a Chia Pet® on final render), and sometimes scenes will "work" for people familiar with the film and yet fall flat for a real audience. The Pocahontas DVD includes some deleted scenes whose state of completion ranges from story reel to finished color. Some deleted scenes are partially-animated or even partially-colored, suggesting that there had been an intention to keep parts of them even though they were eventually abandoned completely.

55 posted on 07/06/2006 8:05:48 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Warren_Piece

Certainly the animation and technology is better... it's just the new style that I find rather crude.


56 posted on 07/06/2006 8:12:02 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: toddlintown
"IT'S A FREAKING CARTOON!"

Hammer meet nail.
57 posted on 07/06/2006 8:14:18 PM PDT by Anvilhead (Dammit Jim, I'm an Ameri-can not an Ameri-can't.)
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To: Kirkwood
"Get over it." You don't get over the loss of a child. I'm amazed I even have to say that.

First, even as I, a childless man, I understand that the loss of a child is beyond devastation for words

Second, I think questioning the wisdom of a "train race" scene has some merit.

But the poor man after 12 years is still apparently consumed with grief.

58 posted on 07/06/2006 8:28:29 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: usmcobra

Animated fils have bloopers, outtakes and scenes cut.

"Ice Age" dvd even puta bunch of them on the DVD.

A few scenes they shot, upon editing, just simply did not work for the film, so they were cut, but were absolutely funny.

If I remember correctly, they shot a couple of different endings, did some screenings and selected the best one.

As for the bloopers, I suspect it was done for the DVD, but it too was funny.


59 posted on 07/06/2006 8:29:08 PM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I couldn't believe it because this is a red car. My daughter was killed in a red car

Yeah, I had an accident last year which totalled my RED car, and the insurance would only pay for a black one.

RED CARS KILL.

60 posted on 07/06/2006 8:32:16 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 55-59)
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To: supercat
The last time I checked, ANIMATED films don't have to be cut, nor are there any out takes or bloopers.

I'm a 3-d animator. There is no such thing as a blooper or outtake from an animated movie. Every motion, every single one, is made by a human. Even the ones that are batch created (crowds and the like) are under the absolute control of a human.

In animation everything that any character does costs money. Every character is owned or worked on by someone who wants that money.

If they say it's a blooper or an outtake, they are lying. It's an extra meant to sell the dvd or movie.

No animator does free work for which they can get paid.

That's what demo reels are for.
61 posted on 07/06/2006 8:35:39 PM PDT by Anvilhead (Dammit Jim, I'm an Ameri-can not an Ameri-can't.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Earth to Lanny. It's a frickin' CARTOON.


62 posted on 07/06/2006 8:37:39 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SteveMcKing
or a political group like MADD

Since when did wanting to be safe from drunk drivers become political? I haven't read anything about MADD in a long time; however, I have always thought they were an outstanding organization.

Years ago I belonged to an organization called RID (Remove Intoxicated Drivers). Almost everyone in the organization was a family member of someone killed by a drunk driver. I believe in being proactive, so I joined to try to prevent any of my family from being killed because someone thought it was OK to drive drunk. The members were a wonderful; but, sad group of people. I saw NO ONE with a political agenda. I eventually had to stop attending their meetings because I was too busy with my family. I still admire and respect those people and completely support their cause. Why anyone would be against them is a mystery to me.

63 posted on 07/06/2006 8:44:15 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: apillar
My Uncle Elmer DIED pulling a road surfacer! How could they be so insensitive? /s

Slowwwwwly I turned ... Step by step ...

64 posted on 07/06/2006 8:44:54 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: IronJack
Get over it.

If someone ever kills a child of yours, you should remember this advice.

65 posted on 07/06/2006 8:46:05 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek
I'm furiously trying to calculate the cost of painting my truck compared to any potential lawsuits I might incur if Mr Wilson finds out I drive a red truck.

Read it again! It isn't because the truck is red, it is because it was trying to beat a train across the tracks. The fact that his daughter died in a red vehicle trying to beat a train across the tracks only made it worse; but, it was not the real issue.

66 posted on 07/06/2006 8:49:17 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: Warren_Piece
Dreamworks just hasn't figured out the right formula yet

Dreamworks (and Fox's) animated films border on R rating. We watched "Over the Hedge" and I was taken aback by the adult jokes.

67 posted on 07/06/2006 8:50:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: pcottraux
Animated ones that talk, at that.

Obviously you are too childish to realize the complaint is that this scene in the movie is a very bad example for children. Kids are impressionable and will think this is cool. This is not something adults want children to consider cool.

68 posted on 07/06/2006 8:57:35 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I saw Cars and it never once crossed my mind that someone would get the wrong idea about racing trains. I guess I'll have to stop watching Groundhog Day: train race, driving a car into a pit quarry, and a toaster in the bath tub.

Disney's statement works for me:
Lightning McQueen's poor judgment in outrunning the train reveals his reckless and thoughtless behavior and is certainly not glorified.
69 posted on 07/06/2006 9:08:23 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: jamaly

Hmmm...most kids don't drive, so I'm not too worried. I'm also trying to comprehend the idea of parents letting their children play around railroad tracks unattended.

Nevertheless, the argument I was making to begin with was that the man seemed to think that there should be no train track scene in the movie partially because it reminded him too much of his daughter's death. I mean...he doesn't HAVE to go see the movie.


70 posted on 07/06/2006 9:09:56 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: jamaly
Since when did wanting to be safe from drunk drivers become political?

Since MADD started being more interested in being neo-prohibitionists than in actually reducing the number of traffic accidents and fatalities caused by alcohol. They broaden their definitions of "intoxicated" and "alcohol-related" so as to increase the number of "intoxicated" motorists and "alcohol-related" crashes, and then point to such increases as a basis for imposing even broader definitions of "intoxication".

71 posted on 07/06/2006 9:12:29 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: jamaly

There have also been quite a number of cartoons from the '40s and '50s, namely from Tex Avery and a few from I think early Warner studios, that did in fact portray cars racing trains and crossing tracks in time to "beat" the trains and having fun doing it. I'm pretty sure that there has never been an epidemic spanning from the '40s of kids actually trying that, and since I saw those cartoons myself as a kid several times, I know I certainly was never tempted to try it.


72 posted on 07/06/2006 9:12:30 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Gorobei

Or what about the roadrunner dropping an anvil on the coyote??

Beep, beep


73 posted on 07/06/2006 9:14:16 PM PDT by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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To: Gorobei

Or what about the roadrunner dropping an anvil on the coyote??

Beep, beep


74 posted on 07/06/2006 9:14:25 PM PDT by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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To: gridlock
Mike Wazowski's "company play" is worth the price of the DVD, but the whole movie is fantastic. In Cars, the outtakes really are the funniest part of the whole flick.
75 posted on 07/06/2006 9:14:40 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: supercat
Since MADD started being more interested in being neo-prohibitionists than in actually reducing the number of traffic accidents and fatalities caused by alcohol. They broaden their definitions of "intoxicated" and "alcohol-related" so as to increase the number of "intoxicated" motorists and "alcohol-related" crashes, and then point to such increases as a basis for imposing even broader definitions of "intoxication".

IMHO if the amount of alcohol someone has consumed affects their driving ability they should be arrested. If drugs, prescribed, over the counter or illegal hamper someones driving ability, they should be arrested. On any given weekend night 1 out of 10 cars has a drunk driver behind the wheel. Impaired drivers need to be stopped. No one has the right to endanger other people because they can't control their own behavior.

76 posted on 07/06/2006 9:22:36 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: pooh fan

Where's my Acme rocket roller skates....


77 posted on 07/06/2006 9:27:30 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Anvilhead
I'm a 3-d animator. There is no such thing as a blooper or outtake from an animated movie. Every motion, every single one, is made by a human. Even the ones that are batch created (crowds and the like) are under the absolute control of a human.

So all of your animations are pixel-perfect on the first attempt? Never any objects whose paths don't look as good on playback as you'd planned? And you never have anyone ask for any changes once a scene has been animated? Lucky you.

In animation everything that any character does costs money. Every character is owned or worked on by someone who wants that money.

Obviously, people producing a film would like to minimize wasted effort. But that doesn't mean everything works the first time. Sometimes a scene will play out well in storyboards or even rough animation, and the finished version will play out well to people familiar with the movie, but when shown to an audience that hadn't seen the film before the scene just kills the movie. And sometimes the only way to discover that is to show the finished scene to an audience and see what they say.

Pixar's "bloopers" where the animated creatures stay in character are fakes, to be sure, but some other films like Shrek and Shrek 2 have shown bloopers that are most likely the result of real mistakes.

78 posted on 07/06/2006 9:32:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: pcottraux; jamaly
Hmmm...most kids don't drive, so I'm not too worried.

They don't have sex in grade school either but most conservatives believe school sex education classes give the wrong message.

I'm also trying to comprehend the idea of parents letting their children play around railroad tracks unattended.

This puzzles me. Where does this connect to the article?

Nevertheless, the argument I was making to begin with was that the man seemed to think that there should be no train track scene in the movie partially because it reminded him too much of his daughter's death.

No. For him it was warning bells. And ironic ones at that.

79 posted on 07/06/2006 9:37:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: jamaly
On any given weekend night 1 out of 10 cars has a drunk driver behind the wheel.

By what definition of "drunk"? Bear in mind that if your statistic is accurate, then in even if alcohol had no effect on people's driving ability, in 10% of accidents involving one driver that driver would be intoxicated, and in 19% of accidents involving two drivers, at least one would be intoxicated.

If MADD were actually interested in reducing drunk driving, why did they oppose legislation to allow restaurants to seal partially-consumed bottles of wine so patrons could take them home? It would seem to me a patron would be far more inclined to finish off a bottle of wine before getting in his car if the excess would otherwise go to waste than if he could have it as a nightcap once he gets home. But MADD opposed such legislation. Why?

MADD is more interested in magnifying the perceived extent of the drunk driving problem than in actually solving it. If enforcement efforts were targeted at people with disproportionately-high accident rates, drunk-driving fatality rates might go down too much, and MADD might not be as effective at raising funds. Better to push for ever-expanding definitions of "intoxicated" and "alcohol-related" so as to make the problem seem as severe as possible.

80 posted on 07/06/2006 9:48:41 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: jamaly

And if a driver is a functioning alcoholic who doesn't appear to be affected by his drinking, but blows over a .10 - are you willing to let him go?

MADD keeps trying to lower the BAC in the statutes - from .10 to .08 and impaired from .05 down. And the reading alone can justify the conviction, under the statute, without the swerving, etc. [A roadblock for ALL traffic can do the job].


81 posted on 07/06/2006 9:49:00 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: pcottraux
There have also been quite a number of cartoons from the '40s and '50s, namely from Tex Avery and a few from I think early Warner studios, that did in fact portray cars racing trains and crossing tracks in time to "beat" the trains and having fun doing it. I'm pretty sure that there has never been an epidemic spanning from the '40s of kids actually trying that, and since I saw those cartoons myself as a kid several times, I know I certainly was never tempted to try it.

We were smarter? Have you noticed the lack of common sense lately? I never wanted to particularly emulate the music that I listened to but there certainly is a rap/thug culture now. We have 8 yr olds dressing like Britney Spears. And they are learning from TV, not Mom & Dad. Our culture has changed. Kids aren't being taught logic and common sense anymore.

82 posted on 07/06/2006 9:52:38 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

he has a point after watching cheech and chongs next movie the first thing i did is by cocain from space aliens and snort it all at once and launched myself into outer space just like they did because once you see something animated in a movie you have no self control you have to do whatever it is you see in animated movies whether you want to or not . /s


83 posted on 07/06/2006 9:59:12 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Xenalyte

Isn't this the same type of moral authority that Cindy Sheehan claims (and that David Letterman claimed on her behalf w/ O'Reilly)?


84 posted on 07/06/2006 10:00:17 PM PDT by Paddlefish ("Why should I have to WORK for everything?! It's like saying I don't deserve it!")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wile Coyote served with subpoena just inches from Roosevelt's nose, details at 11:00...


85 posted on 07/06/2006 10:28:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
They don't have sex in grade school either but most conservatives believe school sex education classes give the wrong message.

That's what you're teaching kids in a learning environment. The movies are a recreation. It's like playtime...something fun to go out and do. When kids play games, be it cops and robbers or what have you, they themselves emulate violence and dangerous or precarious situations. Because that's exciting, and that's what playing or "adventure" is all about.

My point, though, was that since kids don't actually drive cars, there really shouldn't be too much of a worry of them trying to do what the cars do in the movie.

This puzzles me. Where does this connect to the article?

The fear seems to be that children are going to mimic what they see in the movie by actually trying to beat trains in races on railroad tracks. I'm wondering what the children are doing at railroad tracks unattended in the first place.

No. For him it was warning bells. And ironic ones at that.

To me it seemed like a "double-issue"...meaning that he was concerned about two things at once: the safety of others, and his own personal grief. Here's his quote from the article: "As I'm sitting there, I couldn't believe it because this is a red car. My daughter was killed in a red car,"...what does it being a RED car have to do with anything?

86 posted on 07/06/2006 10:29:02 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
In a statement, Disney officials say: "Lightning McQueen's poor judgment in outrunning the train reveals his reckless and thoughtless behavior and is certainly not glorified."

That might be credible if some "car" actually got smashed in the film trying it.

87 posted on 07/06/2006 10:30:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Anvilhead
In animation everything that any character does costs money. Every character is owned or worked on by someone who wants that money.

If they say it's a blooper or an outtake, they are lying. It's an extra meant to sell the dvd or movie.

No animator does free work for which they can get paid.

How is this different from using actors and camera operators?

88 posted on 07/06/2006 10:35:06 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Kids aren't being taught logic and common sense anymore.

True, but some of that should be built-in to at least some degree. An 8 year-old dresses like Britney Spears, but that's because she doesn't know much about sexuality. She doesn't realize that she's degrading herself or could be turning on some old pedophile pervert.

Watching dangerous or exciting situations in movies or TV is different, because kids have at least a slightly better understanding of danger. They know that there is such a thing as death, and that the character COULD be hurt or killed (that's what makes it exciting). So, depending on the kid, I would think there would be less of an inclination to actually try what they see.

89 posted on 07/06/2006 10:37:18 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This whole thing sounds just like those who complain about TV shows like Jackass showing people doing really stupid things.

It can be a fine line at times, but somewhere on that line there is a place for personal responsiblity and common sense.


90 posted on 07/06/2006 10:54:04 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: IronJack
You have a cold heart there Ironjack.

Pray you never loose a child, because you'll never get over it.

91 posted on 07/06/2006 10:56:15 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (.....once there was a way to get back homeward.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So I guess this means we shouldn't be allowed to see the scene in the original Superman movie where Clark Kent outraces a train.


92 posted on 07/06/2006 11:00:45 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Mordacious
I'm pretty sure that by the time one is old enough to drive, the urge to act out scenes from animated Disney movies is all but extinguished.

Ideally.


93 posted on 07/06/2006 11:02:59 PM PDT by Begin (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There was a lot of fast driving in that movie too. As I recall, many people have died from driving way too fast. They should get rid of all the scenes where cars drive too fast, including all of the race scenes. A lot of good NASCAR drivers have died due to driving fast on racetracks.


94 posted on 07/06/2006 11:03:54 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: jamaly
If someone ever kills a child of yours, you should remember this advice.

You are correct, except for one small detail... his kid played chicken with a train and lost. Suicide by train.

95 posted on 07/06/2006 11:12:38 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I am SICK of self righteous fools who are unable to deal with their losses imposing their grief and stupidity on the rest of us.

This is just another example of PC thugs trying to impose their "vision" on the rest of, he should just stay away from the movie, not buy the video, and STFU!

I feel the same way about "roadside memorials", they are tolerable if taken down after a reasonable time, like one week.

But these crybabies who want to keep them up permanently, often with public money or endless donations that could be used to help THE LIVING, disgust me.

Tragedy is a part of living, it happens, deal with it, and if you cant, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!


96 posted on 07/06/2006 11:30:19 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: toddlintown
Ah-HA! The Disney car was RED, Acme dynamite is RED...
obviously we must ban any and every portrayal of the color RED on a cinematic screen!

Note to Lanny Wilson:
The Earth orbits the Sun, each revolving on its own axis.
The earth and the sun, as well as the rest of the planets in our solar system, revolve around the center of our Milky Way galaxy.
The Milky Way galaxy is part of a larger group of galaxies known as the Local Group.
The Local Group, along with other galaxy groups, orbits a singular point at the center universe.
Unfortunatey Mr. Wilson, that singular point is noyyergyjrm, up...iou

97 posted on 07/07/2006 1:12:45 AM PDT by Ignatz (quoting Freeper cyborg: "The lay teachers could not make hands of some girls.")
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blue cars aren't safe either

98 posted on 07/07/2006 1:23:28 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: JoeSixPack1; jamaly
[If someone ever kills a child of yours, you should remember this advice.]

You are correct, except for one small detail... his kid played chicken with a train and lost. Suicide by train.

Speaking of "small details", you got yours wrong -- "his kid", the dead one, wasn't driving the car, she was a passenger.

99 posted on 07/07/2006 2:00:34 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Paddlefish

Bingo!

He's a victim, and we can't argue with him or we are denying the validity of his pain.


100 posted on 07/07/2006 5:39:06 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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