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Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans
DMN/ vis Real Clear Politics ^ | July 7, 2006 | Mark Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT by chiller

Twenty-eight months to go, and I can't wait.

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Since Condi insists she isn't interested - and for the moment I believe her - speculation ranges from base-pleasing Republicans like Sens. Bill Frist, Sam Brownback and my current favorite, George Allen, to the intriguing prospects of envelope-pushers like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani.

And these two intriguing figures constitute my point of the day. There are two things I have stopped saying: first, Mr. McCain can't win, and second, Rudy won't run.

I still don't believe Mr. McCain will be the '08 nominee, but his loyal support for the war has healed some distaste that the GOP base has had for him since he challenged Mr. Bush six years ago. His disconnect with many Republicans on overhauling campaign finance is still an anvil around his prospects, but I can no longer write him off.

As for Mr. Giuliani, I used to say that he won't run and couldn't win if he did. The gay-friendly, abortion-rights-supporting ex-New York mayor whose legacy includes an embrace of gun control? It would seem highly unlikely.

Unless you were in a room with me at the Hotel Crescent Court last month as the Dallas County Republican Party welcomed Mr. Giuliani to a fundraiser also heralding local congressional candidates.

I served as master of ceremonies, and there was a thoroughly polite welcome for the GOP primary survivors who will try to unseat Reps. Eddie Bernice Johnson and Chet Edwards.

But it was Mr. Giuliani who put a room of Reagan-loving red-staters into a positive swoon.

He did it with steadfast support for the Bush war doctrine, coupled with a passion for tight borders that even the still-admired incumbent cannot muster. He did it with strong fiscal conservatism, another Bush weakness. And he did it with a passionate pitch for school choice, an issue Republicans have neglected - mysteriously, since scads of Republicans and Democrats want it.

His content was great. His style was even better. His sharp wit and off-the-cuff comfort are miles beyond the average glazed, scripted politician. He sports a good-natured partisan streak that puts him a head above Mr. McCain, who seems to gag on any sentence suggesting that a Democrat might be wrong.

This is not my prediction that Mr. Giuliani's hand will rest on a Bible at the swearing-in on Jan. 20, 2009. But the Bible-embracing core of the GOP shows a willingness to consider him as he includes evangelical groups in his curious tour of various Republican constituencies.

He will not launch a national gun grab, leaving gun statutes to the cities. He will not push for nationwide gay marriage, happy to leave those decisions to the states, where the Constitution says they belong. He will not pound the bully pulpit for affirmative action, leaving that to the courts.

And speaking of the courts, he speaks glowingly of Mr. Bush's Supreme Court selections, Samuel Alito and John Roberts, suggesting he does not necessarily dream of packing the court with sure-fire abortion-rights opponents.

Throw in the tasty imagery of the Mayor of America wiping the debate stage floor with Mrs. Clinton or virtually anyone else, and it's the kind of thing to make a Republican heart quicken.

I don't know yet whether I can be a Rudy voter, but I'd enjoy watching him try to make me one.

Mark Davis is a columnist for the Dallas Morning News. The Mark Davis Show is heard weekdays nationwide on the ABC Radio Network. His e-mail address is mdavis@wbap.com.


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While George Allen is my current favorite, I agree with the author. Rudy could be the one. In fact, he would be easily elected if we don't worry about his liberal tendencies. And that's a decision we'll have to make because we haven't got the perfect candidate.

Flame away

1 posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:15 AM PDT by chiller
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To: chiller

I'm basically a single issue - War on Terror - voter. I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Giuliani.


2 posted on 07/07/2006 7:34:54 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Liz
He did it with steadfast support for the Bush war doctrine, coupled with a passion for tight borders that even the still-admired incumbent cannot muster. He did it with strong fiscal conservatism, another Bush weakness. And he did it with a passionate pitch for school choice, an issue Republicans have neglected - mysteriously, since scads of Republicans and Democrats want it.

In other words, Giuliani told the audience what they wanted to hear, not what he really believed.

3 posted on 07/07/2006 7:36:29 AM PDT by jla
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To: chiller

I suppose I could live with it. I'd chose Allen first, too, but Rudy would be good on the WOT. His stance on abortion and gay pride irk me, but in reality, those two issues are things that a President can't really do much about, as they are and should remain, States issues.

Who knows? I didn't know much about President Bush pre-2000 and there certainly isn't another Ronald Reagan coming over the hill that I can see.

No Republican is every conservative enough for me, so there would be no pleasing me 100% anyway. And I'll NEVER vote for a Dimowit. Ever. So that's a non-issue. ;)


4 posted on 07/07/2006 7:38:53 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"every" = "ever" conservative enough...


5 posted on 07/07/2006 7:39:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: chiller
I would have no problem with Rudy if there was a solid party discipline on HOR and Senate. Rudy can talk about gun control and gay whatever, just can't get it past the congress. What I would have a problem with would be his judicial nominations. That is the wild card that I'm just not willing to chance on a Rudy as President.
6 posted on 07/07/2006 7:39:42 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: JmyBryan

Guiliani - anti-gun, pro-abortion, anti-business, pro-gay marriage, pro-tax. What's not to like? (for a liberal)


7 posted on 07/07/2006 7:39:46 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: chiller
War on Terror, Immigration, Fair Tax, Presidential.

Rudy will be there in the end.

8 posted on 07/07/2006 7:43:20 AM PDT by diggerwillow
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To: chiller

No flame, personally, I like Rudy, but I can't vote for Rudy. According to the article, Rudy won't push for gay marriage, won't push for gun control, and won't push for affirmative action.

If the BEST the Republican Party can do is nominate someone who won't actively push for liberal/leftist ideas, then I must vote third party. I want to vote for someone who will actively push AGAINST gun control, affirmative action and gay marriage. As far as I am concerned, if a candidate will not actively push the conservative agenda he is a part of the problem in America. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.


9 posted on 07/07/2006 7:45:03 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: chiller

Rudy is a non starter. Too NY for the USA.
McCain is Hitlary lite.


10 posted on 07/07/2006 7:45:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jla
In other words, Giuliani told the audience what they wanted to hear, not what he really believed.

Heheh---nice, very nice, zinger.

I wonder if Rudy told the audience that, if elected, his pal, failed HomeLandSec nominee Bernard Kerik, would be looking over their FBI files (smirk).

11 posted on 07/07/2006 7:46:40 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: chiller

I like Allen as well, I think he is the best candidate out there. How 'bout the best of both worlds, run Allen and Rudy on the same ticket? Rudy would be great for Cheney's office, IMO.


12 posted on 07/07/2006 7:47:42 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: chiller
If the RNC jams Rudy, McCain or Romney down my throat, I will write in somebody for POTUSA.
13 posted on 07/07/2006 7:47:46 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: diggerwillow
War on Terror, Immigration, Fair Tax, Presidential.

Pure speculation and wishful thinking, unless you've some factual reasoning as to why you believe this.
As for Giuliani being "Presidential" -


Rudy Giuliani: The Knight and ‘The Queen’     11/28/2001

According to The London Times, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani gives kisses before he leaves every morning, but to neither his estranged wife, nor his girlfriend. Instead, says The Times, “Sir Rudy” gives a peck on the cheek to the two homosexual men he’s living with.

“We always get a little kiss, it’s cute,” says wealthy car dealer Howard Koeppel, with whom Giuliani has been sharing an apartment since June. When Giuliani was recently knighted, Koeppel tells The Times that he told “Sir Rudy” to call him “Queen Howard.” Koeppel (63) and his homosexual lover Mark Hsiao (41) have been comforting Giuliani, and trying to make him laugh, in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks.

On the way to a recent fundraising dinner for the pro-homosexual state lobby group, The Empire State Pride Agenda (ESPA), Koeppel ribbed Giuliani by saying that if the ESPA was able to raise $100,000 donation for the homosexual victims of the September 11 attacks, Giuliani should agree to appear on Showtime’s controversial Queer as Folk dressed in drag. Surprisingly, Giuliani agreed.

Marty Algaze of Gay Men’s Health Crisis once summed up Queer as Folk — a show that touts graphic sexual activity as one of its biggest draws — as one that would “shock a lot of people.” Showtime’s Queer as Folk was inspired by the original series in Britain, which featured a storyline in which a 29-year-old man has a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy.

The propensity to shock people is not new to Giuliani, who likes to dress in women’s clothes as a stage act, and even did so once at a Pride Agenda fund-raiser.

According to the Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association).

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Phone: (202) 488-7000
Fax: (202) 488-0806
E-mail: mail@cwfa.org

14 posted on 07/07/2006 7:48:33 AM PDT by jla
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To: chiller

Rudy is my hero for 9/11 of course. BUT he is my hero for how he had Yassar Aarafat escorted back to the residence he was staying at during his UN visit many years ago. When he said that “Terrorists” are no allowed ot walk the streets in his city, he was way ahead of the curve. THAT’s the reason he is my hero.


15 posted on 07/07/2006 7:52:42 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: chiller

No flame here.

The perfect candidate does not exist.

Rudy can win and would make a great terror-fighting President.


16 posted on 07/07/2006 7:53:55 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Ouderkirk

You have hit the nail on the head. If we have the congress I have no problems with Giuliani. But I am terrified of any Supreme Court nominee and any other judiciary appointments.


17 posted on 07/07/2006 7:54:10 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: chiller
In fact, he would be easily elected if we don't worry about his liberal tendencies.

What are you smoking?

That's the very thing that will keep him from EVER being elected president.

The ONLY reason Bush is president is because he conned the conservatives into
believing he was one of them.

18 posted on 07/07/2006 7:54:19 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: chiller
Any slim chance Rudy had in 2008 took another big hit last week when Bernie Kerik -- Rudy's former police commissioner and the guy Rudy himself recommended to the White House to head the Department of Homeland Security -- was publicly exposed as the corrupt SOB many of us already knew he was.
19 posted on 07/07/2006 7:55:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: jla

CWA's just jealous because he looks nicer in a skirt than most of them do. ;-D


20 posted on 07/07/2006 7:55:43 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Ouderkirk
Your concerns mirror mine exactly. Conservatives in the House and Senate would temper any moves left, but jeez, I'd hate to undo the gains on the Supreme Court.

I'm re-thinking....The Senate would let almost anybody on the court, coming from Rudy, I suppose.

21 posted on 07/07/2006 7:58:00 AM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: chiller
If the author believes Rudy Guiliani will let anybody run anything, he's crazy. Rudy is the poster boy for anal compulsive.

As Mayor, he got rid of subordinates who got too much favorable ink. He took credit for other people's accomplishments. As U.S Attorney, he grandstanded on Wall Street arrests [loved perp walks], and delivered few convictions. The job he did on 9/11 saved his career and reputation. He IS anti gun,pro gay and pro abortion. That means he won't use the bully pulpit to protect your 2d Amendment rights, the sanctity of marriage, nor the lives of the unborn. That may result, aside from giving the Federal Courts even MORE power over our lives and society, the conundrum of open season on the unborn in the blue states, while they're protected in the red states - until the inevitable lawsuits start. You think Rudy's gonna pick conservative judges? On crime, sure. On everything else, dream on.

Rudy for Pres. Be careful what you wish for.
22 posted on 07/07/2006 7:59:09 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: chiller

If the author believes Rudy Guiliani will let anybody run anything, he's crazy. Rudy is the posterboy for anal compulsive.

As Mayor, he got rid of subordinates who got too much favorable ink. He took credit for other people's accomplishments. As U.S Attorney, he grandstanded on Wall Street arrests [loved perp walks], and delivered few convicitions. The job he did on 9/11 saved his career and reputation. He IS anti gun,pro gay and pro abortion. That means he won't use the bully pulpit to protect your 2d Amendment rights, the sanctity of marriage, nor the lives of the unborn. That may result, aside from giving the Federal Courts even MORE power over our lives and society, the conundrum of open season on the unborn in the blue states, while they're protected in the red states - until the inevitable lawsuits start. You think Rudy's gonna pick conservative judges? On crime, sure. On everything else, dream on.

Rudy for Prez? Be careful what you wish for.


23 posted on 07/07/2006 7:59:46 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: chiller

>>Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans <<

Has he been convicted of something?


24 posted on 07/07/2006 8:00:01 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: chiller

He is pro-gay, pro gun control and anti-life. I don't want him.


25 posted on 07/07/2006 8:00:44 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: trickyricky

....some really good weed, man....


26 posted on 07/07/2006 8:01:07 AM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: MBB1984; jla
According to the article, Rudy won't push for gay marriage, won't push for gun control, and won't push for affirmative action.

"Do tell Rudolfo.....but you've already grabbed guns, allowed unfettered abortion-on-demand, and advanced the gay agenda, as Mayor."

Rudolfo is a complete imbecile if he thinks Repubs will ignore his track record.

As the presidency beckons this power-hungry con man, he thinks he can flim-flam his way into the WH.

He is pathetically in denial. He should forget the presidency, and get psychiatric care.

27 posted on 07/07/2006 8:02:36 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: GaltMeister

Allen is steady, but not dynamic. Rudy is that in spades.


28 posted on 07/07/2006 8:03:02 AM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: gondramB
Has he been convicted of something?

Yes, impersonating a conservative.

29 posted on 07/07/2006 8:03:48 AM PDT by jla
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To: chiller
Allen ain't ready for prime time. He's been embarrassingly inarticulate on his recent Sunday appearances. Also has have a lousy record to run on....he has been a fiscal liberal since becoming a senator and has been a promoter of a "virtual fence" on the border. Please not another inarticulate big spender.

Guliani on the other hand can actually articulate the positives of a smaller government....combined with his get tough on borders....vouchers...WOT.

If you think he's riding high in the polls now wait till he really starts running.
30 posted on 07/07/2006 8:04:31 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: longtermmemmory

So who? Who in this election really represents the conservative agenda?


31 posted on 07/07/2006 8:05:03 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: JmyBryan

WOT is very important but so are judges. In the next five years there will probably be 2-4 new judges on the Supreme Court.

When it comes to judges,I don't trust Guiliani or McCain or Mittens.

Allen-Rice in '08

OR

Allen-Coleman in '08


32 posted on 07/07/2006 8:05:41 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: chiller

Do you believe the President?

I saw a snippet this morning of his interview with Larry King (a snippent is all I can take of King). He said the "War on Terror" is the defining issue of our time.

I agree with the author, in fact I have written it here long before him, Giuliani will be status quo on guns and appoint Justices like Alieto and Roberts.

I will add that unlike his role as Mayor which required ignoring illegals, this law and order fanatic will be the toughest on illegal immigration.

But if the President is right, and he is, that the defining issue of the day, and decade to come, is what falls under the umbrella of terrorism, is there anyone who can shine Giuliani's shoes in that endeavor. And that endeavor doesn't just include the fight against the enemy. It included the fight against our "friends" in the EU, UN, elsewhere.


33 posted on 07/07/2006 8:06:44 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: chiller

Rudy is IMHO the strongest candidate the Republicans could nominate.

If I was a Republican Congressman or Senator in a non-safe seat, Rudy at the top of the ticket would be what I would want to see.

I prefer Rudy to McCain, and I don't see any other Republicans out there with enough name recognition and fund-raising ability to win the nomination and the general election. The conservative names bandied about are all, nationally, lightweights.


34 posted on 07/07/2006 8:10:41 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Blackirish
. . . combined with his get tough on borders . . .

I see. Like his arrogant, open violation of the 1996 Federal law that made it illegal for cities like New York to enact "sanctuary" policies for illegal aliens?

35 posted on 07/07/2006 8:12:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: longtermmemmory
"Rudy is a non starter. Too NY for the USA.
McCain is Hitlary lite."

We need to be unifying behind George Allen and put this McCain/ Julie-Annie nonsense to rest.

I have yet to see anyone present a more conservative candidate, that wants to run, that is electable, than George Allen.

Allen is electable and has no issues that will make the base barf.

If I could just pick someone with no interest in running and bypass the primaries, my choice would be Brit Hume!!

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

I'll stick with Allen, he will run and win!
36 posted on 07/07/2006 8:12:02 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: Liz
 
NewYorkmetro.com
 
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Three’s Company

Picking Up After Rudy

Even pitched as a sitcom, it would seem farfetched: Marital problems force the Republican mayor of New York out of Gracie Mansion and into the apartment of a gay friend and his life partner. That’s what happened when Rudy Giuliani moved into the 57th Street apartment of longtime friend Howard Koeppel and his partner, Mark. Queens native Koeppel, owner of a string of car-dealerships, spoke to Jed Heyman about his friend’s plans for 2008 and aversion to “doggy talk.”

Jed Heyman What was your day like with Rudy in the house?
Howard Koeppel Mark made breakfast for all three of us. We had orange juice and different kinds of cold cereal in Lactaid milk, because that’s all I buy. When he lived in Gracie Mansion, he never had breakfast—he was always on the run—but we insisted that he had breakfast. He had staff meetings every morning very early. He had to be out of the house by 7:30 a.m., and I had to help him pick out his ties. He’d come out with two or three ties and ask, “What tie looks better with this suit?” I would say, “I think that this tie would be better,” and he’d say, “Well, I guess if you think so, then I think so.” It was kind of cute. The guy would trust me enough to pick out his ties.

Was he a good roommate?
Sure. He used to make his own bed. I’m not telling you how well he made it, though. I’m not sure he had ever made a bed before in his life. The only thing we didn’t agree with was how he would squeeze the toothpaste from the middle—that would drive me crazy. I should have gotten him his own toothpaste, really. That was the only annoying thing he would do.

How did he get along with your dog?
For the first month, I don’t think Bonnie cared for him very much. Every morning, he’d come out and Bonnie would grab the cuff of his pants and start tugging back and forth. I said to Rudy, “Look, if you want to get along with Bonnie, you’re going to have to talk doggy talk. You have to bend over and pet her and say ‘Goo-girl, goo-girl.’ ” And he asked, “Why can’t I say good girl?” I said, “Because that’s not what she likes,” and we got him talking doggy talk.

Do you think he’s going to run for president in 2008?
I hope he does. I’d vote for him. Aside from being so bright and so worldly, he’s so honest. I’ve never met a person more upright. I think this country needs somebody like that, to be honest with the country. We’ve had presidents in office lately who haven’t been.I’m talking about the last two. And I don’t think Rudy would do that.

Do you think his political ambitions are affecting his performance at the convention?
If he doesn’t support the party, it wouldn’t support him. Now, does he want to be president? I can probably tell you, “Yeah.”

 
 
 
Find this article at:
http://www.nymag.com/nymetro/news/rnc/9728/index.html

37 posted on 07/07/2006 8:13:37 AM PDT by jla
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To: chiller

Please recall if you will the TV program Hill Street Blues. The NY cop program depicted life at the Hillstree pricint and a city that was out of control. Gangs and criminals roamed the streets and the cops were barely able to cope. The city was filthy and in decay. The budget was busted and there was talk of federal control of a bankrupt city.

Then Rudy was elected. He had prosecuted the worst of the worst. He seriously hurt the Mafia. He as mayor ended the decline of NYC and brought it back into the fold of places you could go without fearing for your life. He overcame the leftists and started a new course.

Liberal or not he has a record that no other can match. We could do much worse.


38 posted on 07/07/2006 8:14:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: PzLdr
Rudy is the posterboy for anal compulsive.

As Mayor, he got rid of subordinates who got too much favorable ink. He took credit for other people's accomplishments. As U.S Attorney, he grandstanded on Wall Street arrests [loved perp walks], and delivered few convictions.

He IS anti gun,pro gay and pro abortion. That means he won't use the bully pulpit to protect your 2d Amendment rights, the sanctity of marriage, nor the lives of the unborn. That may result, aside from giving the Federal Courts even MORE power over our lives and society, the conundrum of open season on the unborn in the blue states, while they're protected in the red states - until the inevitable lawsuits start.

You think Rudy's gonna pick conservative judges? On crime, sure. On everything else, dream on.

Standing ovation..........bravo.

39 posted on 07/07/2006 8:15:18 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Sabramerican
He said the "War on Terror" is the defining issue of our time.

He sure doesn't act like it is. Spending billions of dollars on stupid Federal entitlement programs and allowing nearly unfettered access into this country across our southern border (nearly five years after 9/11, mind you) -- sure doesn't make it sound like the "war on terror" is much of a priority here in the U.S.

40 posted on 07/07/2006 8:16:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

I see. Like his arrogant, open violation of the 1996 Federal law that made it illegal for cities like New York to enact "sanctuary" policies for illegal aliens?





After seeing the towers fall I'm sure Rudy will have no problem being tough on the borders.


41 posted on 07/07/2006 8:17:16 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: chiller
While George Allen is my current favorite, I agree with the author. Rudy could be the one. In fact, he would be easily elected if we don't worry about his liberal tendencies. And that's a decision we'll have to make because we haven't got the perfect candidate.

No flames here its just that George Allen seems to be a likeable conservative he strikes me as bit of dim bulb but hopefully I am wrong have been before LOL... Rudy despite the liberal tendencies has good merits if he is definately strong about securing the borders and reigning in runaway government spending he would get my support. Also if we work hard and get a lot of true conservatives in Congress and get rid of the RINOs that helps to balance out any left leanings of Rudy...

McCain is a total non-starter his irrational mentality and open borders policy with Mexico is an automatic disqualification.

thanks for the post and have a good day....regards DN

42 posted on 07/07/2006 8:18:38 AM PDT by democrats_nightmare
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To: Blackirish

>>Guliani on the other hand can actually articulate the positives of a smaller government....combined with his get tough on borders....vouchers...WOT.

If you think he's riding high in the polls now wait till he really starts running.<<

I'm really hoping for somebody more conservative and also more repsectful of individual rights.


43 posted on 07/07/2006 8:18:54 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: chiller

Giuliani will run in 2008 and he will have my vote. He has supported all of Bush's Supreme Court nominees, he's a stanch supporter of the WOT and he makes Democrats pee in their pants in fear.


44 posted on 07/07/2006 8:19:22 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: chiller

I'll never vote for him.


45 posted on 07/07/2006 8:21:09 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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To: chiller
The Senate would let almost anybody on the court, coming from Rudy, I suppose...

Exactly. I don't trust McCain on that score either. That's where philosophy comes into play. Sure, Rudy would be tough on crime, and the war on terror and fiscal responsibility. These are all laudable goals. But in the end it's the direction of the Courts that helps advance the liberal agenda.

46 posted on 07/07/2006 8:21:10 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: jla

What a terrible indictment of the man.

He has Gay friends.

He lets Gays advice him on which tie to wear. Might he have been the inspiration for Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?

He is a heterosexual adulterer and also maybe a closet gay? And he can't pick his own ties. Maybe you suggest burning him at the stake.

If he was either or both or none, he would still be head and shoulders above anyone else mentioned for the office.


47 posted on 07/07/2006 8:21:38 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: chiller

Great post.
I like Giuliani.
Proven leader.


48 posted on 07/07/2006 8:21:38 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Blackirish
After seeing those towers fall, I'm sure Rudy did his damn best to pretend he never supported that policy in the first place. But it is worth noting that in the two months between 9/11 and the November election in which his successor was picked, he didn't do a damn thing to change that city policy, either.

I never thought I'd see the day when so many so-called "conservatives" would actually promote a flaming liberal from New York City -- who ought to be sitting in a Federal prison right now -- as the ideal candidate for the Republican Party in a presidential election.

49 posted on 07/07/2006 8:22:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

You're right.

But I believe it would be for Giuliani. And only for Giuliani.


50 posted on 07/07/2006 8:24:12 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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