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Lay's death could set Skilling free
The Globe and Mail ^ | 07/07/06 | BARRIE MCKENNA

Posted on 07/07/2006 5:13:03 PM PDT by Sunshine55

Lawyers likely to argue that entire case has effectively been voided

BARRIE MCKENNA

WASHINGTON -- Kenneth Lay's sudden death could prove to be an unexpected legal bequest to Jeffrey Skilling, his co-defendant in the landmark Enron Corp. fraud case.

Mr. Skilling's legal team will almost certainly invoke Mr. Lay's demise to try to reverse his own fraud and conspiracy conviction or demand a retrial, legal experts said yesterday.

That's because Mr. Lay's death Wednesday of an apparent heart attack effectively voids the entire case against the Enron founder, including the guilty verdict. Mr. Skilling, the former Enron chief executive officer who is appealing his own conviction, could now argue that much of the evidence against him stems from a case that no longer exists, argued lawyer Jacob Frenkel, a former federal prosecutor and white collar crime specialist.

"This is the first time this has happened in such a high profile case," Mr. Frenkel said. "Everybody is scrambling to see what the law says on this."

How it all plays out could set a legal precedent, he added.

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enron; enronlist; kenlay; kennethlay; lay; skilling; unfreakinbelievable
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1 posted on 07/07/2006 5:13:06 PM PDT by Sunshine55
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To: Sunshine55

It will not void the conviction, much as his lawyers would like to argue.

Lay was guilty, Skilling was guilty. There was enough in the financial transactions to convict, but that isn't as easy to demonstrate to non-finance types. Been there personally with another bunch of guilty folks.

Then again, most AUSA's aren't the best and brightest.


2 posted on 07/07/2006 5:18:32 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Sunshine55
This is ridiculous you are judged guilty but die before being sentenced you are now not guilty.

You get judged guilty and are sentenced and the prosecutor will use every trick in the book to throw out legitimate evidence of a wrongful conviction.

3 posted on 07/07/2006 5:18:49 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals will stop at nothing.)
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To: Sunshine55
Mr. Lay's death Wednesday of an apparent heart attack effectively voids the entire case against the Enron founder

I have no idea why this would be so.

4 posted on 07/07/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Sunshine55

This is a garbage opinion worthy of twisted liberal lawyer logic. Makes no sense. Each was convicted.


5 posted on 07/07/2006 5:20:59 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Sunshine55
when a defendant dies before he has exhausted all his appeals "everything associated with the case is extinguished, leaving the defendant as if he had never been indicted or convicted."

Legal mumbo-jumbo. This sort of thing, IMO, actually moves us farther from a nation under the "rule of law" and closer to a corrupt nation in the clutches of high prices lawyers and like minded judges.

6 posted on 07/07/2006 5:21:03 PM PDT by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I have no idea why this would be so.

The only reason is because the conviction was on appeal and a lot of the evidence was given by a (now) dead guy.

7 posted on 07/07/2006 5:21:59 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Izzy Dunne

If anything, this puts Skilling in hotter water. The public wants someone to pay for the Enron debacle, and he's the last big dog standing.

Ken Lay's death is not a get of jail free card. It's more like go there until you're dead card.


8 posted on 07/07/2006 5:23:46 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Sunshine55

Set him Free!

But first gather all of the "Screwed" Stock Holders, Employees and Retired... and set him loose in the middle of that mass, if he escapes with his life, he can keep running forever, if not, well (in the words of the Great One), Clinton Happens.

TT


9 posted on 07/07/2006 5:25:37 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: mgstarr
The only reason is because the conviction was on appeal and a lot of the evidence was given by a (now) dead guy.

But I thought appeals were not to decide evidence, but to decide about possible improper procedures at the first trial. IOW, you could decide on the admissibility of certain evidence, but not change the evidence itself.

10 posted on 07/07/2006 5:27:54 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I have no idea why this would be so.


The federal case may go but I believe the civil cases that people bring will still be adjudicated. I think I read that in an article discussing the potential dismissal of the criminal case.
11 posted on 07/07/2006 5:28:29 PM PDT by deport
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To: Sunshine55

Too bad Fastow got off so easily. His wife should be rotting in jail too.


12 posted on 07/07/2006 5:28:40 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: rocksblues

He died without a chance to appeal. That is the fly in the ointment .


13 posted on 07/07/2006 5:29:16 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Izzy Dunne

The law of the land is that if a defendent is deceased prior to exhausting his legal remedies.....appeal.....then his conviction is expunged from the record.


14 posted on 07/07/2006 5:29:49 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: deport

The criminal case against Lay ends with it undecided from a legal standpoint. Nobody is going to sentence his body to a jail cell, nor are they going to decide whether his appeals had any merit.

It just stops. His conviction isn't reversed or halted. That happened.

The only legal effect is that it won't be possible to use the criminal conviction in any civil proceeding to seize his remaining assets. But that's not a huge obstacle. It's no different than if he had pleaded no contest at the criminal trial.


15 posted on 07/07/2006 5:34:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Sunshine55

I am not a lawyer (but I did stay a at Holiday Inn Express – just kidding).

Seriously – where Lay and Skilling tried together or separately? If separately then I would think Skilling has less chance of getting his conviction overturned since his trial stood on it’s own merits unless his conviction was based soley on Lay’s testimony.

Even if they were tried together, I would think Skilling at best could have grounds for a retrial but people with a better understanding of the law will I’m sure correct me and shed more light.

In any case I hope they both get what they deserve, either in this live or in another…..


16 posted on 07/07/2006 5:36:46 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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To: Renegade
"He died without a chance to appeal. That is the fly in the ointment."

This is ridiculous! Lay was tried and convicted. If he has an appeal in process the appeal is terminated. Period. As for Skilling, if he has an appeal it should not be affected unless the appeals court overturns the verdict and a retrial is ordered. The appeals court only looks at the trial as far as how it was handled, etc. It does NOT retry anything.

The Globe & Mail, I believe, is a UK paper. What the heck do they know?

17 posted on 07/07/2006 5:38:24 PM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" Anonymous)
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To: Izzy Dunne
...it is so though....and has been for quite some time.. if you die before you are able to exhaust your appeals...then it is as if you were never convicted....which sucks..on the other hand....all these jack ass lawyers for the defense saying is as if the trial never took place.....lol..well great....does that mean we don't have to pay the legal fees?....haha....don't expect for a minute the lawyers won't receive their fees....but how could they...the trial never existed.......LOL......
18 posted on 07/07/2006 5:45:11 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: bcsco
...well in this case...they are right.....I"ve heard it on all shows.....conservatives and libs alike....Lay gets a free pass to hell....no conviction.....too bad, but that is the way it always has been.....but I still hope they go after everything he owns if at all possible......
19 posted on 07/07/2006 5:46:56 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: bcsco

Evidently there was a similar case in 1971 that went to the Supreme Court and they found in favor of the deceased .


20 posted on 07/07/2006 5:47:37 PM PDT by Renegade
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