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Psychiatrist Warned Yates Against Having 5th Baby
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 07 JULY 2006 | AP

Posted on 07/07/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: Pikachu_Dad

What is your legal background?


41 posted on 07/07/2006 9:55:09 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: Moonman62

I think we'll discover that the mind is more than just machinery




A very complex machine is still a machine.


42 posted on 07/07/2006 9:58:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: SoCalPol
What is your legal background?

ROFLOL. That is a completely irrelevant question.

Do you have any legal training or do you just enjoy making up crimes out of whole cloth?

43 posted on 07/07/2006 10:06:57 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
St. Paul, prior to his conversion, murdered Christians along with the Romans. Stoned them to death, crucifixtion, you name it, he did it.

I am glad that unbelieving people like you will not be the One to judge us in the end.

44 posted on 07/07/2006 10:07:06 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I have delt with cases like this and worse working with the County Attys.


45 posted on 07/07/2006 10:11:29 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: SoCalPol
I have delt with cases like this and worse working with the County Attys.

Then you clearly need a new line of work if you have devolved into the position that you think Mr. Yates committed a crime.

"delt"???

46 posted on 07/07/2006 10:14:00 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad; SoCalPol

Husband isn't guilty of a crime, but did show incredibly bad judgement in all respects. Fortunately or unfortunately bad judgement is not always a crime.


47 posted on 07/07/2006 10:19:07 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Husband isn't guilty of a crime

Correct. Husband ... did show incredibly bad judgement in all respects. Fortunately or unfortunately bad judgement is not always a crime.

Did he now? When did he show bad judgment?

48 posted on 07/07/2006 10:21:45 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Leaving an emotionally unstable person in charge of a bunch of kids isn't great judgement.


49 posted on 07/07/2006 10:23:52 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Graybeard58
I have compassion for the insane

So do I. Unfortunately many FReepers don't show much compassion for anyone.

I have known someone who was literally a walking nervous breakdown for months before anyone else realized the problem was so serious. Once the depression, or extreme anxiety sets in it can be too late for the ill person to ask for help. Even if they do ask for help they make not be able to express themselves well enough for well-meaning family and friends to "get a clue". In a situation like this things can escalate out of control very quickly. What seems like a simple decision to an unknowing participant can in reality be a life or death decision.

That being said, I do think Andrea Yates' husband is more at fault than she was. He had seen her condition and been told by her doctors that she should not have more children. He kept her barefoot and pregnant year and year knowing that she became progressively more depressed at each pregnancy. At one point they even lived in an old school bus and home schooled all her children. That would drive many people over the edge even without the hormonal changes caused by pregnancy.

50 posted on 07/07/2006 10:24:15 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: jamaly
Unfortunately many FReepers don't show much compassion for anyone.

That being said, I do think Andrea Yates' husband is more at fault than she was.

I agree, you don't show much compassion for anyone. Another "THE HUSBAND DID IT" idiot. Why don't just do away with prosecuting all murderers, burglars, rapists, etc. and just jail their victims.

51 posted on 07/07/2006 10:28:00 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: durasell
Leaving an emotionally unstable person in charge of a bunch of kids isn't great judgement.

You are only able to make that assessment based on 20/20 hindsight. What real evidence do you know he had available to him before she murdered her children that she was emotionally unstable?

52 posted on 07/07/2006 10:30:41 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

You are very defensive.
From your web site, your agenda shows.
Calling people names shows you are desperate.
For not having a dog in this hunt, your back is sure up.


53 posted on 07/07/2006 10:33:37 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: after dark

I would think the hair would only be part of it. I have seen some of the pictures of her that were posted on one of these threads. There is a huge difference over the years in her appearance. Her eyes even have an odd look to them in pictures taken not long before the murders.


54 posted on 07/07/2006 10:39:52 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Pikachu_Dad
I agree, you don't show much compassion for anyone. Another "THE HUSBAND DID IT" idiot. Why don't just do away with prosecuting all murderers, burglars, rapists, etc. and just jail their victims.

You are only able to make that assessment based on 20/20 hindsight. What real evidence do you know he had available to him before she murdered her children that she was emotionally unstable?

From all the information available the husband had been told by psychiatrists in no uncertain terms that his wife should not have any more children due to repeated psychotic episodes after childbirth. She walked around like zombie and showed signs of severe depression even when she wasn't psychotic. If that doesn't show that she was emotionally unstable, I don't know what would.

I do not always blame the husband; however, it certainly seems appropriate in this case.

55 posted on 07/07/2006 10:40:43 PM PDT by jamaly (I will never forget 9-11-01!!!!)
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To: jamaly
From all the information available the husband had been told by psychiatrists in no uncertain terms that his wife should not have any more children due to repeated psychotic episodes after childbirth.

Sure they did. The same shrinks that recommended she needed to be hospitalized because of her condition. Oh wait, they didn't recommend that.

I do not always blame the husband; however, it certainly seems appropriate in this case.

All this anger towards the husband and none toward the treating physicians or shrinks?

56 posted on 07/07/2006 10:53:43 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: jamaly
I do not always blame the husband; however, it certainly seems appropriate in this case.

They say Yates planned to drown the children when she was alone with them, after her husband went to work and before her mother-in-law arrived. Then Yates called 911 and later told a detective she killed them because she was a bad mother and wanted to be punished, according to witnesses.

You are willing to blame the husband for the wives actions. Why do you also not blame the mother-in-law?

57 posted on 07/07/2006 11:01:20 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: SoCalPol
For not having a dog in this hunt

We all have a dog in this hunt.

Accusing people of being an accmplice to a murder when they had not part in it affects us all.

58 posted on 07/07/2006 11:04:26 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

when they had not part in it / or is it no part



You need to read the article and
You need to leave out your agenda


59 posted on 07/07/2006 11:13:53 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: SoCalPol

so is it "delt" or "dealt"?

Why don't you leave your agenda out of it and stop blaming men for all your problems.


60 posted on 07/07/2006 11:16:54 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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