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Rudy for president?
Townhall.com ^ | 7/8/06 | Robert Novak

Posted on 07/08/2006 8:12:30 AM PDT by mathprof

Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.

Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; demslovehim; electionpresident; friendofharding; friendofkerick; giuliani; giuliani2008; giuliani4dogcatcher; novak; rino
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To: jocon307

Rudy is a true leader. He is liberal on things that don't matter a lot for a President, and conservative on things that do. Go Rudy!


21 posted on 07/08/2006 8:39:11 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: conservative blonde
If it would come to Rudy running as GOP presidential candidate against Hilarity, there would be a very big and very active 3rd Party conservative candidate come forth.

Yeah right. The GOP nominated a socialist in 2000 and 2004, and yet no third party materialized. Rudy is acceptable to me, as long as he brings forward an agenda that is strongly fiscally conservative.
22 posted on 07/08/2006 8:39:42 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: Reagan Man
May I slightly edit?

The choice would be between Giuliani the liberal and McCain the mavarick/moderate-conservative pompous ass with anger issues.

23 posted on 07/08/2006 8:40:26 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: jocon307; mathprof

I get flamed sometimes but I'd definately vote for him.


24 posted on 07/08/2006 8:40:59 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: mathprof

Go Rudy!


25 posted on 07/08/2006 8:41:13 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Reagan Man
LMAO Old Abe was NO liberal. That is funny.

Lincoln was a classical liberal, like Rudy, and he certainly was more liberal (in the current sense) than the Democrats were back then. For example, he advocated that more public funds be used to build roads and other infrastructure (which the Democrats opposed).
26 posted on 07/08/2006 8:41:51 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: digger48

"He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though."

Over who? McCain and Allen.


27 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:10 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; William Creel; Coop; Clemenza; ...

Rudy Giuliani is like Joe Lieberman, someone who is very good on national security issues but is extremely liberal on abortion (even opposing the partial-birth abortion ban!), taxes, guns, special rights for gays, and most other issues. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair when I say that Rudy is just like Lieberman, since Rudy is a lot tougher on crime than is Lieberman, but the reality is that Rudy's issue positions are a lot closer to those of a liberal Democrat such as Lieberman (who, belying Kossite whinings, actually had an ACU rating of 0 last year) than to those of a moderate-to-conservative Republican such as John McCain. I thought I would never support a third-party candidate for the presidency, but if GOP primary voters are stupid enough to nominate Rudy Giuliani in 2008, I will have to support (to my chagrin) the Constitution Party nominee or maybe an independent candidacy by a conservative who doesn't want the election to be a choice between two liberal extremists.

As I have said before, I think that Rudy's positions on national security and crime are so good that I would support him for Governor of NY or even for U.S. Senator (I almost never support a pro-abort for the Senate, since they tend to vote against conservative judicial nominees, but this being NY I'd make an exception), but there is no way that he can be the GOP presidential or VP nominee without destroying our party.


28 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:19 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: digger48
Right now I don't support anyone. However, when you look at the record, the choice between Giuliani and McCain is a no brainer. Lotsa folks around FR don't care for McCain and that includes myself. But voting for Giulaini would be like voting for Joe Lieberman.

Fact is, on the issues Giuliani is the Joe Lieberman of the GOP. Think about it. Lieberman supports the Prez in the WOT and in Iraq. And Lieberman's association in the past with Bill Bennnet shows he has a moral conscience. The latter is more then can be said about RudyG.

Problem. I wouldn't vote for Joe Lieberman anymore then I'd vote for Rudy Giuliani. Conservatives don't vote for liberals. Period.

29 posted on 07/08/2006 8:43:25 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mathprof

I'll take Hillary! over Rudy or McInsane. I figure that four years of her (IF she lasts that long) and this country won't vote for a crat for president for at least forty years.


30 posted on 07/08/2006 8:43:53 AM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: don-o

If I was you, I'd do some serious research on Rudy the liberal before considering a leftwinger for POTUS.


31 posted on 07/08/2006 8:44:47 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

When the choice is a Democrat or Rudy, who are you going to vote for?


32 posted on 07/08/2006 8:46:33 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Such as the Bill of Rights. You must be a transplanted Southerner.


33 posted on 07/08/2006 8:47:22 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: mathprof
Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

LOL. Now that's a principled conservative for you.

34 posted on 07/08/2006 8:47:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: metalurgist
I'll take Hillary! over Rudy or McInsane. I figure that four years of her (IF she lasts that long) and this country won't vote for a crat for president for at least forty years.

 If we get Hillary or another democrat then that person will appoint 2 or three Ginsberg clones to replace SCOUS retirements.  Think of that.
 

35 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:19 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: Ueriah
But I think the single biggest issue we are facing right now is the War on Terror.

This is exactly why he'll never win. The number of voters who actually think this so-called "war on terror" is the single biggest issue is pretty small -- and is comprised almost entirely of Republicans anyway.

36 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: AntiGovernment

The term applied to Lincoln was liberal. Its a contemporary political term. However, Lincoln was NO liberal. The closest thing to classic liberal in todays political environment is called a libertarian. Lincoln was no libertarian either. I'd say Lincoln was a classic Republican. Rudy Giuliani is a leftwing liberal.


37 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:54 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
He is liberal on things that don't matter a lot for a President, and conservative on things that do.

Wrong, imo. The appointment of Constitutionalist judges in the federal courts is absolutely vital. To be true to his pro-abortion position, Rudy would be looking for those who can discern those emenations from those penumbras.

No thanks

38 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:57 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: digger48
"Not too hard to pick Rudy over a known Marxist and a absolute nutjob.

He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though."

Rudy can easily win the Presidentcy. Getting the nomination will be the hard part.

39 posted on 07/08/2006 8:51:45 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: proudpapa

If Rudy would be so great for the war on terror, make him Secretary of State or Attorney General. I don't want him making domestic policy, or appointing two more David Souters to the Supreme Court.

George Allen or Mike Pence seem to have the strongest conservative credentials, though Pence is losing some traction with his immigration proposals.

Maybe there's a good conservative Republican governor out in the hinterlands who can rescue the GOP before it implodes.


40 posted on 07/08/2006 8:53:28 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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