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Rudy for president?
Townhall.com ^ | 7/8/06 | Robert Novak

Posted on 07/08/2006 8:12:30 AM PDT by mathprof

Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.

Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; demslovehim; electionpresident; friendofharding; friendofkerick; giuliani; giuliani2008; giuliani4dogcatcher; novak; rino
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I'd certainly prefer Rudy to Hillary. I might get flamed, but I'd prefer him over McCain too.
1 posted on 07/08/2006 8:12:31 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

"I might get flamed.."

I might get flamed too, but I'll vote for him if he runs.


2 posted on 07/08/2006 8:14:17 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: mathprof

Not too hard to pick Rudy over a known Marxist and a absolute nutjob.

He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though.


3 posted on 07/08/2006 8:15:09 AM PDT by digger48
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To: mathprof

Desperate times, desparate measures.

I disagree with some of his stances. But I think the single biggest issue we are facing right now is the War on Terror. I would rather vote for a canadate who I think would do well on the biggest issue we are facing then to get someone who might be 100% in line with my views but not as capable a leader in the War on Terror.

I'd back him.


4 posted on 07/08/2006 8:15:47 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: mathprof
Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

Gun control, I hope.

5 posted on 07/08/2006 8:17:40 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: digger48; mathprof

I'd take Rudi over McCain and Hillary. Even though he is a gun-grabbing, pro-choice, gay-rights advocate. I hope it doesn't come to that. In fact, I think Rudi will not run.


6 posted on 07/08/2006 8:19:06 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: mathprof
Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control.

No insider - but this is a "Duh!" statement of the highest magnitude.

Rudy and McManiac, for that matter, have NO chance. That's zero / zilch / nada!

7 posted on 07/08/2006 8:19:28 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: mathprof

Hell, No.

Rudy had his chance to take on Hillary for the Senate seat. He could have made an excellent NY Senator.

Way too liberal for the rest of the country.


8 posted on 07/08/2006 8:19:44 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Ueriah

I agree that the War on Terror triumphs every other issue at this time and someone like Rudy would be just as strong as GWB in this respect. I may be wrong but Rudy is also pretty much fiscally conservative so that is a big plus as well to keep this economy rolling.


9 posted on 07/08/2006 8:21:03 AM PDT by kcrackel
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To: mathprof

The first WashDC insider to report that Rudy Giuliani will try and buck the system, becoming the first full fledged liberal Republican to EVER be nominated for President.

Will conservatives vote for a pro-big government, pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-illegal immigrant and pro-homo rights candidate? Giuliani is a solid northeast liberal. A NYCity liberal. Is this what America wants as a leader? I don't think so.

Btw, is Rudy a better choice then John McCain? The choice would be between Giuliani the liberal and McCain the mavarick/moderate-conservative. Think about it.


10 posted on 07/08/2006 8:23:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mathprof

At minimum, I hope he dives in. He's be a great addition to the fray.


11 posted on 07/08/2006 8:24:18 AM PDT by zarf (Italian Kid: My father can beat up your father! Jewish Kid: Big deal, so can my mother!)
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To: mathprof

Ditto.


12 posted on 07/08/2006 8:25:47 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Reagan Man

"first full fledged liberal Republican to EVER be nominated for president?" --

You do remember a president named Abraham Lincoln?


13 posted on 07/08/2006 8:28:31 AM PDT by medscribe
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To: mathprof
Rudy for President? No, no, he's always getting put down by Russell, no way he's smart enough.


14 posted on 07/08/2006 8:29:56 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: Reagan Man
McCain the mavarick/moderate-conservative

The Love-Fest McCain has enjoyed with the media is slipping away from him. You'll see more and more stories getting out about how unhinged he really is. They're gonna push him to run third-party in hopes of reliving '92

15 posted on 07/08/2006 8:31:26 AM PDT by digger48
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To: mathprof

There is no way Hillary will be the Dem nominee. She is a horrible speaker and a crappy campaigner. So you don't have to worry about a Rudy Hillary match-up. I want a conservative. Someone who will perpetuate Bush's war on terror and Reagan's war on government. No more compassion. I love W but i think on spending and immigration he just tried to make everyone happy and in the end no one was. I think the person who can do this is Newt Gingrich. I was skeptical of him but watching him speak on C-Span last month he blew me away with his ideas. And they weren't Utopian pie in the sky platitudes they were real tangible goals.


16 posted on 07/08/2006 8:33:52 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: medscribe

LMAO Old Abe was NO liberal. That is funny.


17 posted on 07/08/2006 8:33:57 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Rummyfan

If it would come to Rudy running as GOP presidential candidate against Hilarity, there would be a very big and very active 3rd Party conservative candidate come forth. I would vote for that person. I am dismayed that many Freepers would give up their basic political tenents anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-gay etc. so easily. I am glad you guys weren't around in 1776, we would all still be British subjects.


18 posted on 07/08/2006 8:37:56 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: mathprof
Who was on the list? I just question these polls that offer us a list of candidates no Republican I know would choose.

Rudy would be a fine pick for a different job. But he is a social liberal with a mess of a personal history. Nice guy but wrong choice for President.

19 posted on 07/08/2006 8:37:59 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Gun control, I hope.

Certainly. I hope he will at least not touch the current laws.
20 posted on 07/08/2006 8:38:17 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: jocon307

Rudy is a true leader. He is liberal on things that don't matter a lot for a President, and conservative on things that do. Go Rudy!


21 posted on 07/08/2006 8:39:11 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: conservative blonde
If it would come to Rudy running as GOP presidential candidate against Hilarity, there would be a very big and very active 3rd Party conservative candidate come forth.

Yeah right. The GOP nominated a socialist in 2000 and 2004, and yet no third party materialized. Rudy is acceptable to me, as long as he brings forward an agenda that is strongly fiscally conservative.
22 posted on 07/08/2006 8:39:42 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: Reagan Man
May I slightly edit?

The choice would be between Giuliani the liberal and McCain the mavarick/moderate-conservative pompous ass with anger issues.

23 posted on 07/08/2006 8:40:26 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: jocon307; mathprof

I get flamed sometimes but I'd definately vote for him.


24 posted on 07/08/2006 8:40:59 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: mathprof

Go Rudy!


25 posted on 07/08/2006 8:41:13 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Reagan Man
LMAO Old Abe was NO liberal. That is funny.

Lincoln was a classical liberal, like Rudy, and he certainly was more liberal (in the current sense) than the Democrats were back then. For example, he advocated that more public funds be used to build roads and other infrastructure (which the Democrats opposed).
26 posted on 07/08/2006 8:41:51 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: digger48

"He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though."

Over who? McCain and Allen.


27 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:10 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; William Creel; Coop; Clemenza; ...

Rudy Giuliani is like Joe Lieberman, someone who is very good on national security issues but is extremely liberal on abortion (even opposing the partial-birth abortion ban!), taxes, guns, special rights for gays, and most other issues. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair when I say that Rudy is just like Lieberman, since Rudy is a lot tougher on crime than is Lieberman, but the reality is that Rudy's issue positions are a lot closer to those of a liberal Democrat such as Lieberman (who, belying Kossite whinings, actually had an ACU rating of 0 last year) than to those of a moderate-to-conservative Republican such as John McCain. I thought I would never support a third-party candidate for the presidency, but if GOP primary voters are stupid enough to nominate Rudy Giuliani in 2008, I will have to support (to my chagrin) the Constitution Party nominee or maybe an independent candidacy by a conservative who doesn't want the election to be a choice between two liberal extremists.

As I have said before, I think that Rudy's positions on national security and crime are so good that I would support him for Governor of NY or even for U.S. Senator (I almost never support a pro-abort for the Senate, since they tend to vote against conservative judicial nominees, but this being NY I'd make an exception), but there is no way that he can be the GOP presidential or VP nominee without destroying our party.


28 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:19 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: digger48
Right now I don't support anyone. However, when you look at the record, the choice between Giuliani and McCain is a no brainer. Lotsa folks around FR don't care for McCain and that includes myself. But voting for Giulaini would be like voting for Joe Lieberman.

Fact is, on the issues Giuliani is the Joe Lieberman of the GOP. Think about it. Lieberman supports the Prez in the WOT and in Iraq. And Lieberman's association in the past with Bill Bennnet shows he has a moral conscience. The latter is more then can be said about RudyG.

Problem. I wouldn't vote for Joe Lieberman anymore then I'd vote for Rudy Giuliani. Conservatives don't vote for liberals. Period.

29 posted on 07/08/2006 8:43:25 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mathprof

I'll take Hillary! over Rudy or McInsane. I figure that four years of her (IF she lasts that long) and this country won't vote for a crat for president for at least forty years.


30 posted on 07/08/2006 8:43:53 AM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: don-o

If I was you, I'd do some serious research on Rudy the liberal before considering a leftwinger for POTUS.


31 posted on 07/08/2006 8:44:47 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

When the choice is a Democrat or Rudy, who are you going to vote for?


32 posted on 07/08/2006 8:46:33 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Such as the Bill of Rights. You must be a transplanted Southerner.


33 posted on 07/08/2006 8:47:22 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: mathprof
Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

LOL. Now that's a principled conservative for you.

34 posted on 07/08/2006 8:47:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: metalurgist
I'll take Hillary! over Rudy or McInsane. I figure that four years of her (IF she lasts that long) and this country won't vote for a crat for president for at least forty years.

 If we get Hillary or another democrat then that person will appoint 2 or three Ginsberg clones to replace SCOUS retirements.  Think of that.
 

35 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:19 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: Ueriah
But I think the single biggest issue we are facing right now is the War on Terror.

This is exactly why he'll never win. The number of voters who actually think this so-called "war on terror" is the single biggest issue is pretty small -- and is comprised almost entirely of Republicans anyway.

36 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: AntiGovernment

The term applied to Lincoln was liberal. Its a contemporary political term. However, Lincoln was NO liberal. The closest thing to classic liberal in todays political environment is called a libertarian. Lincoln was no libertarian either. I'd say Lincoln was a classic Republican. Rudy Giuliani is a leftwing liberal.


37 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:54 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
He is liberal on things that don't matter a lot for a President, and conservative on things that do.

Wrong, imo. The appointment of Constitutionalist judges in the federal courts is absolutely vital. To be true to his pro-abortion position, Rudy would be looking for those who can discern those emenations from those penumbras.

No thanks

38 posted on 07/08/2006 8:49:57 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: digger48
"Not too hard to pick Rudy over a known Marxist and a absolute nutjob.

He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though."

Rudy can easily win the Presidentcy. Getting the nomination will be the hard part.

39 posted on 07/08/2006 8:51:45 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: proudpapa

If Rudy would be so great for the war on terror, make him Secretary of State or Attorney General. I don't want him making domestic policy, or appointing two more David Souters to the Supreme Court.

George Allen or Mike Pence seem to have the strongest conservative credentials, though Pence is losing some traction with his immigration proposals.

Maybe there's a good conservative Republican governor out in the hinterlands who can rescue the GOP before it implodes.


40 posted on 07/08/2006 8:53:28 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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To: Reagan Man
If I was you, I'd do some serious research on Rudy the liberal before considering a leftwinger for POTUS.

Huh? What leftwinger? My point is merely that both Guliani AND McLame are unacceptable. If either get the nomination, there will be a great sucking sound - a mass desertion of the party by social and moral conservatives. Mark my words.

41 posted on 07/08/2006 8:53:45 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: kcrackel

I haven't done battle with gun grabbing, abortion pushing, sodomy approving liberal moonbats for 50 years, to turn around and vote for one.


42 posted on 07/08/2006 8:54:47 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: Reagan Man
Actually, Lincoln was a libertarian. He certainly wasn't going to use the government to interfere in people's personal and economic lives. I remember a quote from him, saying that anything should be permissible, as long as a man does not harm another person.

By the way, do you have any proof that Rudy is a fiscal liberal, like the President?
43 posted on 07/08/2006 8:55:53 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: don-o
How about Rudy in a number 2 slot behind a solid Conservative? I was kind of shocked that Rudy placed 2nd in the Repbs Georgia Straw Poll. Only native son Newt beat him. That may be just be name recognition and it may be not.
44 posted on 07/08/2006 8:57:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: mathprof
"I'd certainly prefer Rudy to Hillary. I might get flamed, but I'd prefer him over McCain too."

Agreed on Rudy over Hillary or McPain, but you don't have to look too far to find a better Conservative than Rudy.

Right now, George Allen will make an interesting candidate IMO. But its early yet.

45 posted on 07/08/2006 8:57:17 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: metalurgist

I remember MANY people after four years of Bill Clinton saying things just like that. Then we got four more years of him.


46 posted on 07/08/2006 8:57:23 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: kcrackel
I agree that the War on Terror triumphs every other issue at this time...

Illegal immigration? Crickets...

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I may be wrong but Rudy is also pretty much fiscally conservative so that is a big plus as well to keep this economy rolling.

Illegal immigration? Crickets...

47 posted on 07/08/2006 8:57:41 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: marajade
I will not vote for RudyG. First time I'll vote third party in my life, for sure.

I hold the same position on Rudy Giuliani that JimRob has towards John McCain.

"If you do run, I'm afraid you're gonna be at least one vote short. And that's a campaign promise you can take to the bank."
Jim Robinson on John McCain

48 posted on 07/08/2006 8:57:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mathprof
If we get Hillary or another democrat then that person will appoint 2 or three Ginsberg clones to replace SCOUS retirements. Think of that.

And how will that change the makeup of the Supremes? The next two most likely to retire are Ginzy and comrade Stevens. Perhaps the poofster Souter may leave too. The statis quo is the result.

You can shake the hoary head of Hillary! at me all you like. I am not afraid.

49 posted on 07/08/2006 8:58:55 AM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: Reagan Man

I'll agree; of course my first choice would be a true Conservative (both fiscally and socially) would be Pence.

I can't see many others than he that would fit the bill of being a true 'conservative-conservative' in the line of Reagan or Goldwater..

(WE NEED TO TAKE OUR PARTY BACK FROM THE RINO'S)


50 posted on 07/08/2006 8:59:06 AM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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