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Australia to Rid School History Lessons of Politically Correct Marxist Revisionism
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/7/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 07/08/2006 11:25:32 AM PDT by wagglebee

CANBERRA, July 7, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Australian federal Education Minister Julie Bishop has announced the government’s plan to end the marxist-inspired history curriculum that has been standard fare in Australian schools. Bishop said she will press the states and territories to adopt “traditional Australian history” along the lines of that adopted in New South Wales by former premier Bob Carr.

The Australian reports that the government is planning on forcing the issue, saying that refusal would mean the change would be included in the next funding agreement.

Bishop said, “I want to work with the states on this. I want them to come along with me in a renaissance in the teaching of Australian history.”

The change in curriculum would mean a “narrative” approach that would focus on learning dates and names and events of history, instead of cultural analysis that many have criticized for a heavy leftist bias.

New South Wales premier Bob Carr told the Australian that he was willing to help with the re-orientation back to traditional history and national identity in schools. "I'm happy to talk about it anywhere," Mr Carr said yesterday. "I support any initiative to have history rescued and taught as a distinct discipline and to relegate cultural studies."

"Australian history has fallen victim to a crowded curriculum that has squashed it together with other social and environmental studies," Ms Bishop said. "I intend to consider ways the federal Government can encourage state education authorities to make teaching of Australian history a critical part of the syllabus."

Bishop believes that the re-routing of history into the more subjective material of courses on “social and environmental studies,” has left children without sufficient national identity. She said students had a right to learn the history of their own country as that would make them more informed citizens.

"I think school systems have become afraid of teaching Australian history for fear of saying something that isn't politically correct," she told ABC Radio.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: historyeducation; marxism; moralabsolutes; revisionism; schools
Now if American schools would just do the same thing.
1 posted on 07/08/2006 11:25:36 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I have to say, I'm stunned.


2 posted on 07/08/2006 11:26:43 AM PDT by LS
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To: wagglebee

Can we hire her?


3 posted on 07/08/2006 11:29:20 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: wagglebee
has left children without sufficient national identity.

That was the point.

4 posted on 07/08/2006 11:29:31 AM PDT by Bahbah (Democrat Motto: Why not the worst)
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To: wagglebee

WTG Aussies! The only way we can accomplish this, is to get rid of the leftist teachers unions.


5 posted on 07/08/2006 11:31:02 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (NY Slimes the paper of record for OBL!)
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To: wagglebee

Well, this is very good news...


6 posted on 07/08/2006 11:31:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: wagglebee

Three cheers for the Aussies! A great ally in WW2, a great ally against our present day plague of subversive Marxists.


7 posted on 07/08/2006 11:37:55 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: wagglebee

My hair is practically standing on end.


8 posted on 07/08/2006 11:42:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

Holy Cow.


9 posted on 07/08/2006 11:45:40 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: wagglebee

I'm moving to Australia. Now I have a good excuse. Plus I have lots of friends there :)


10 posted on 07/08/2006 11:46:14 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BIRDS; BlackElk; BlessedBeGod; ...
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This is a wonderful development, now if American schools would only follow suit.

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11 posted on 07/08/2006 11:46:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
"The only way we can accomplish this, is to get rid of the leftist teachers unions."

The largest of which - the NEA - just endorsed homosexual "marriage".

You are absolutely correct. Separation of school and state is what's needed. Get the freaking fedgov out of the education business altogether. Not even state control, just local, the smaller the better. The education bureaucracy is so entrenched that I think nothing less than an earthquake will dislodge it.

Public schools are nothing but psyops.
12 posted on 07/08/2006 11:47:50 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

God bless and keep the John Howard administration.


14 posted on 07/08/2006 11:49:53 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: wagglebee

We need to set that in motion here.


15 posted on 07/08/2006 11:51:37 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: wagglebee

Don't break out the champagne just yet. Australia is also becoming more restrictive towards homeschooling.

http://www.hslda.org/hs/international/Australia/200212050.asp

Personally, I don't care so much what government schools teach so long as parents are freely able to opt out of sending their children there. So while this is a bit of good news, I'd be a lot happier if this were in conjunction with a push to expand the right to homeschool in Australia.


16 posted on 07/08/2006 12:09:10 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: little jeremiah

"Separation of school and state is what's needed. Get the freaking fedgov out of the education business altogether. Not even state control, just local, the smaller the better. The education bureaucracy is so entrenched that I think nothing less than an earthquake will dislodge it."

The only thing that will change the situation is if parents in significant numbers opt out of sending their children to the government schools. And I'm not sure even that will work.

We keep on tinkering around the edges and spending huge amounts of money on ways to "fix" the government schools, while avoiding the idea that perhaps the government schools have outlived their usefulness in a knowledge based economy. The problem, though, is that many parents tend to look at the government schools as a form of subsidized daycare.


17 posted on 07/08/2006 12:19:53 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: wagglebee
Now if American schools would just do the same thing.

It's up to the parents to DEMAND it.

18 posted on 07/08/2006 12:36:35 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("No one cried when Clinton spied." -Crosslake)
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To: wagglebee
He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.

Guess who?
19 posted on 07/08/2006 12:42:12 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: naturalman1975; Aussie Dasher

You seen this???


20 posted on 07/08/2006 12:53:31 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: EnerG

"Death to the Zinnfidels!"


21 posted on 07/08/2006 1:15:05 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: wagglebee

Agree with you. Wish American schools would do the same. But oh my, there would be a lot of unemeployment in the education system. Hehehehehehehehe!!! Sounds like a winner.


22 posted on 07/08/2006 1:24:52 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: wagglebee

Good on ya mates.


23 posted on 07/08/2006 1:26:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: little jeremiah
Alliance for the Seperation of School and State
24 posted on 07/08/2006 1:46:48 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Subsidized day care. And factories to churn out the kinds of workers (sic) and docile taxpayers and consumers that TPTB desire and need to carry on. I remember when Clinton was either running the first time or had just gotten elected, I read in the Sacramento Bee (a loathesome newspaper) that his education secretary proposed mandatory 12 hour a say schooling for ages 6 months through 18.*

Clinton also had some plan in which business would tell the fedgov what kinds of jobs they'd need in some years so students could be stuffed into the proper shaped holes.

Brave New World.

*I mentioned this on FR a couple of years ago and someone remembered reading that article.


25 posted on 07/08/2006 2:40:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

Now if American schools would just do the same thing.

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The only way you will see a return to traditional education and values is to begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.

It is past time that government K-12 schools were eliminated.


26 posted on 07/08/2006 2:42:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah
Get the freaking fedgov out of the education business altogether. Not even state control, just local, the smaller the better.

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The ONLY way is to completely separate school and state. That means NO government at all on any level.
27 posted on 07/08/2006 2:44:04 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

I can imagine neighborhoods or small towns organizing schools and hiring teachers. But anything larger than that, nope.

But unless/until something radically changes society, it ain't going to happen. It's too far gone.


28 posted on 07/08/2006 3:25:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SandRat
You seen this???

Oh yes, I've seen it. I help make it happen. I am a history teacher, and I'm one of the many people that the Minister has consulted over this.

Teaching in an elite independent school, we've been fairly isolated from the extremes of the current position, but what's happened in state schools is quite hideous. Sixteen year old children who know there was a World War II - but haven't worked out there was a World War I...

29 posted on 07/08/2006 3:43:27 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Keep Charging on Mate! Now if we can just clean our state run schools up too.


30 posted on 07/08/2006 3:57:00 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: little jeremiah
I can imagine neighborhoods or small towns organizing schools and hiring teachers. But anything larger than that, nope.
But unless/until something radically changes society, it ain't going to happen. It's too far gone.

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The problem with government schools is that they can and DO threaten citizens with the sheriff's auction of their homes and/or businesses, and even prison, if they flat out refuse to pay taxes for them. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip.)

So...even if the school district were the size of a suburban subdivision block there is NO way you could get those few families to fully agree on their most deeply held political, cultural, and religious values. Some of the neighbors would have at their disposal armed police threat to FORCE resistant neighbors to pay for their anointed educational worldview.

The solution is to begin the process of completely privatizing universal K-12 education.
31 posted on 07/08/2006 3:58:59 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah
But unless/until something radically changes society, it ain't going to happen. It's too far gone.

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It has gone too far and parents are responding by homeschooling. Hopefully their will be enough homeschoolers and private schoolers that by using their voting power a stake can be driven through the heart of the government school monster.

Government schools need two things: Students and money. If enough homeschoolers and private schoolers will use their voting power, and remove their children from the government school rolls, then the government school monster will die.
32 posted on 07/08/2006 4:01:39 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wagglebee
Now if American schools would just do the same thing.

Given how little people seem to learn from history, I'm surprised that we bother to teach it anymore.

33 posted on 07/08/2006 4:05:11 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: naturalman1975

Come over here. Need a place to stay? ;-)

Seriously, why is it that history teachers are pretty much the only sane ones at the secondary level?

I think the Public School Monopoly can only be changed from within, sadly.


34 posted on 07/08/2006 4:05:20 PM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: IslandJeff; naturalman1975

That's what DesertCoyote (daughter) is studying to be. Wants to teach 4th - 5th Grade and really teach them History, Geographay, Social Studies, Civics, English, Math, and Science not PC Pablum.


35 posted on 07/08/2006 4:16:47 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

I briefly thought about going back and finishing my History degree (I have a minor) and teaching certification, but chickened out because I'm now working and living a reasonably-comfortable life and don't need the tuition debt.

A High School captivated US History class (say, 11th grade) can go a LONG way in shaping the future of this nation. You don't even need to be ideological, just passionate. My college mentor was not a prof in my major, but an Associate Professor in History who kept egging me on.

God Bless 'em All.


36 posted on 07/08/2006 4:22:26 PM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: IslandJeff
Had fun when my oldest was in 5th grade and her teacher gave an assignment to fill in the names on a map of the countries of Europe extending to the Ural Mountains.

She got them all in but missed only a few; Andorra, Monaco, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Vatican, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

The next day she came home in tears because the teacher had taken off points for the last three saying that they were Soviet Republics and not countries. Well there was a parent teacher's meeting that night so I took the paper in and a current list of the Embassies at the Court of St. James. Needless to say the three were one there as recognized governments in exile; the teacher was embarrassed and corrected the grade.

A little while later they were talking about the Polish Solidarity Movement in Gdansk Poland so I told her that that was not Poland and Poles it was Germans. She trots back the next day to school to dutifully report the new information. The teacher calls me to come to school to discuss interference so I go. I ask him to pull down a map and record on a piece of paper the Latitude and Longitude for Gdansk then ask him to pull down a map of eastern Europe for 1938 and find Frei Stat Danzig then compare the LAT/LONG.

I came home smiling.

37 posted on 07/08/2006 4:37:38 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
She got them all in but missed only a few; Andorra, Monaco, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Vatican, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

Hell, I can only get the last four now. Andorra is some little kingdom in France, isn't it? Though, to your daughter's teacher's credit, Liechtenstein signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty last year. So we can all sleep better.
38 posted on 07/08/2006 4:47:01 PM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: IslandJeff
Andorra is a tiny speck of a country that sits in the Pyrenees Mountains on the border between France and Spain
39 posted on 07/08/2006 4:51:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: IslandJeff

I think the Public School Monopoly can only be changed from within, sadly.

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Government schools can not be reformed from the inside or outside. There is only one solution: We must begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.

In the meantime, wise parents will homeschool or privately school their children. They will organize themselves and other voters and they will go to the polls and vote NO to government school money, and YES to representatives favoring privatization.

Government schools need two things: Students and money. It is time we starved them of both.


40 posted on 07/08/2006 6:26:28 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah

I can imagine neighborhoods or small towns organizing schools and hiring teachers. But anything larger than that, nope.

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I would agree with this only if they did not have the government power to take tax money from neighbors who were not using their school.


41 posted on 07/08/2006 6:30:39 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Schools should be paid for by the users and anyone else who wants to VOLUNTEER money. And do away with ALL - ALL - ALL fedgov rules, regulations, standards, and the like.

But it's FUBAR.


42 posted on 07/08/2006 7:26:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SandRat

Yeah. Isn't it great?

Long overdue!


43 posted on 07/09/2006 2:56:01 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: IslandJeff
You don't even need to be ideological, just passionate.

Oh gosh, yes.

One of my best teachers...

I attended one of Australia's top private schools in the late 1960s and early 1970s - Vietnam War era, and we had a teacher - he was actually the school chaplain as well - who we all knew was a die hard leftie. He was anti-Vietnam, and used to march against the war, and we all knew this, but it never came into his classroom. What came out in the class was his love of knowledge, and his love of thinking.

Anyway, final year of school, and I was seriously considering joining the Army or the Navy, and I went around to all my teachers who I trusted to ask their advice. All of them told me to go for it, and I came to this man last because I thought he'd tell me not to - a pacifist who was opposed to the war, a socialist. I thought I knew what he'd say.

He surprised me though - he told me the military was a good career, it was a tradition of service to country and cause, and that he thought I'd do well there, and get a lot out of it. Not what I was expecting at all - and I made that pretty obvious.

And he saw it, and he spoke to me. And he asked me if I thought he would have said something different and I said I did. And though I can't remember his exact words, what he said next has really stuck with me.

"Lad... I'm your teacher and that means my primary job is to teach you how to decide for yourself what you believe and what you want to do with your life. I don't hide what I believe from you, but I'm not here to tell you that you should agree with me. Being a good teacher means teaching kids so that they can decide things for themselves. I'd be a very bad teacher if every student I taught came out of my classes believing the same things I believe. That's not the job."

As a teacher myself today, I try to live up to that man in everything I teach - and though I come at my teaching from almost exactly the opposite direction he did, I hope that on the important things I learned what is right from him.

I don't conceal my political beliefs from my students. If they come up in class, I will tell them what I think - but it will always be "This is what I think - now you decide what you think."

44 posted on 07/09/2006 3:21:32 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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