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States Ban Hunting of Live Animals over the Internet
LiveScience ^ | 07/08/06

Posted on 07/08/2006 12:24:20 PM PDT by nypokerface

Louisiana has joined 21 other states in banning Internet hunting, the practice of using a mouse click to kill animals on a distant game farm.

The cyber-shooting idea was the brainchild of Texan John Lockwood, who started the web site Live-Shot.com.

The idea was this: Hunters sign up on the web site and pay some $1,500 or more. They schedule a session, then log on at their appointed time to watch a feeding station on the computer screen. The animal that was ordered—from wild hogs to antelope—is in the area, and when it approaches the food, the hunter moves on-screen crosshairs into place. A click of the mouse fires a rifle to kill the animal.

The armchair hunter's trophy animal would then be mounted and shipped for display.

Texas outlawed the practice last year.

Humane Society executive vice president Michael Markarian was pleased with the decision in Louisiana.

"Responsible hunters know there's no sport in shooting an animal remotely while lying in bed and wearing camouflage pajamas," Markarian said in a statement today.

Meanwhile, the game farm's web site now says hunters must come to the farm, where they "can now offer a unique hunting opportunity for disabled and handicapped hunters, as well as others, who may need the assistance of our system while hunting."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; cyberhunting; hunting; internet; internethunting; libertarians; liveshot
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1 posted on 07/08/2006 12:24:21 PM PDT by nypokerface
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To: nypokerface

Can any lawyers here explain to me how states can ban what is clearly interstate commerce? I can see how they could ban the killing in their state, but participating on the internet?

Mind you, I particularly like the idea of point and click hunting, I'm just questioning the legality of these laws.


2 posted on 07/08/2006 12:28:09 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin
That should read "I don't particularly like the idea of point and click hunting..."
3 posted on 07/08/2006 12:29:29 PM PDT by Hugin
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4 posted on 07/08/2006 12:29:56 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: nypokerface

I'm trying to figure out how to duct tape a web cam to my truck bumper, so that people can pay me to pick up the road kill that they spot, then I'll charge to mail them the tail.


5 posted on 07/08/2006 12:31:54 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: nypokerface

This is a particularly despicable inhumane human activity. If the inventor is someday eaten by jackals, I will not shed a tear for him.


6 posted on 07/08/2006 12:33:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: nypokerface

I grew up in the mid-west; where a hunter learned to track his prey, and hunting meant taking a sandwitch, some ammo and warm clothes for a long walk. Getting a deer, pheasant, duck or rabbit meant food for the table. And as a person who worked his way through college to get my engineering degree; every single one of those animals were served and eaten. My culinary skills were not what they are now; so I ate some pretty lousy meals ... but my prey was not wasted on a chunk of plywood and my ego. My prey fed me.

Now, I love Texas; but most texans do not have a clue what hunting is. First off, using a feeder in any way, shape or form is held in utter contempt by a 'real' hunter. Hunting from a truck is the second lowest form of hunting; the third is raising the animal in a reserve with 7 foot fences.

What sport is there in training an animal to go to a spot for food, then shooting it some random time it shows up for a meal? What chance does an animal have on foot, with a 250 hp all terrain vehicle chasing after it, in a confined area? Trucks don't get tired, the prey is boxed in with no means of escape. A wounded, terrified prey who knows full well that they have no chance of survival (and they do know) yet, will still try to get away.

This makes this type of 'hunter' little more than a sadist, in my book.


7 posted on 07/08/2006 12:35:36 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hugin

>>Can any lawyers here explain to me how states can ban what is clearly interstate commerce? I can see how they could ban the killing in their state, but participating on the internet?<<

The same way they are taxing the internet, unfortunately.

You know, they ought to replace the animals with humans and use remote controlled paint ball guns - that way no animal ruights issues.


8 posted on 07/08/2006 12:36:01 PM PDT by gondramB (And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are going out.)
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To: nypokerface

Anything that will help reduce the deer overpopulation is fine with me. You people who are whining wouldn't find it so funny to have one of those big mountain rats run in front of your car.


9 posted on 07/08/2006 12:41:38 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Hodar
I know of no hunters who run animals down with vehicles. It is against the law in all states as far as I know. If they do run them with vehicles then they are breaking the law and subject to prosecution. Some poachers may use this method but they are not hunters.

As far as the online hunting, it was originally concieved to be used by disabled, wheel chair bound people.

It is not a very good idea, but was not meant for the healthy, able to walk, hunter to use. Of course something like this will always be abused by idiots. Good idea to shut it down.

10 posted on 07/08/2006 12:46:53 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Hugin
States can do it by simply violating someones property rights with a "feel good" law. Those who "feel good" about the issue truly don't give a crap about property rights, the most important thing to these folks is that they "feel good".

If someone does not like an activity on private property, they can buy the property, and make their own rules. The "feel good" folks would rather have the state trample property rights, from smoking on private property to the means of pulling a trigger in this case.

The sad thing is we are loosing our freedoms to the "feel goods" and they feel too good to care.

11 posted on 07/08/2006 12:47:17 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: nypokerface
"Responsible hunters know there's no sport in shooting an animal remotely while lying in bed and wearing camouflage pajamas,"

Does that mean no more porch hunting?

12 posted on 07/08/2006 12:50:13 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sign up to donate monthly and you will be automatically entered in our "Win a Bear Hug Contest")
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To: Spirochete
I wouldn't mind shooting ragheads over the internet.

Interesting concept. Why can't we have servo driven concealed guns in select places around Baghdad, Tikrit,etc along with night vision cameras. And then when a potential trouble maker is within sight, click the mouse.

14 posted on 07/08/2006 1:00:11 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Hugin
I'm not a lawyer, but here's my understanding of the issue.

The states have the right to regulate business within their State.

They can make it illegal to for people in Texas to use such a web site, and the can make it illegal for a company to run such a business.

The Federal Government can overrule that in the interest of their power "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes".

The Courts have granted the Federal Government broad powers that it's doubtful that the authors of the Constitution envisioned. However, I've never seen the courts prohibit the States from legislating something just because funds might travel across State boundaries. However, they do appear to allow federal law to supersede State law on such issues.

15 posted on 07/08/2006 1:00:32 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Hodar

"This makes this type of 'hunter' little more than a sadist, in my book."


As a lifelong hunter I agree with you completely.

In the eyes of non-hunters, this sadistic practice reinforces their stereotypical view of what hunting is: Killing for the fun of it.

Many non hunters believe that Bambi is just sitting in the woods waiting for you and that you just have a few beers, walk straight into the woods and shoot her.

As hunters you and I know that it's not about killing, but this whole sick business really hurts the image of hunting.

Disgusting!


16 posted on 07/08/2006 1:02:11 PM PDT by EEDUDE (Don't measure your wealth in dollars and cents.)
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To: nypokerface

This is ssssoooo wrong. There's no sport in this? Corralled animals eliminated by a mouse click? Tacky! Reminds me of that one old Star Trek episode where war between two factions was done by computer hits. Then numbers were crunched to determine fatalities followed by people going into the death chamber and vaporized. Kirk gives an impassioned speech about the impact of the act of war and it really means and not to be taken lightly nor cleanly.


17 posted on 07/08/2006 1:04:59 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Hodar
This makes this type of 'hunter' little more than a sadist, in my book.

I wouldn't call any one involved hunters either. Sadist is a bit farther than I would go. A guide is an entrepenuer. A game farm is just that a farm. The guy that plunks down a big chunk of change is some one who never learned to really hunt and probably doesn't have the time or land access to learn, but is interested in firearms and wants a thrill. A landowner who puts out a feeder for his own shooting probably is just looking to put meat in the freezer. I wouldn't call any of it hunting, but I have no ill feelings toward any of them.

18 posted on 07/08/2006 1:05:40 PM PDT by Dosa26 (p-q4)
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To: Hodar
I grew up in the mid-west; where a hunter learned to track his prey, and hunting meant taking a sandwitch, some ammo and warm clothes for a long walk. Getting a deer, pheasant, duck or rabbit meant food for the table. <<

Yup!....When I grew up..if u shot it u ate it!...I remember well as an inexperienced 12 year old hunter sneaking up on an apple tree full of grouse....After 2 flew in a direction where I could not get a shot (as grouse are prone to do) I was ready!...the next bird flew and I downed it...Unfortunately..it was a robin!!!...I can still remember my uncle whom i was hunting with, casually asking in typical dry down-east Maine humor..."Well Ill be go to hell!...you'll have to tell me what a robin tastes like...I never shot one before"......(an yeah, they're eatable, but i haven't tried another one since!)
19 posted on 07/08/2006 1:06:56 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: nypokerface
"Responsible hunters know there's no sport in shooting an animal remotely while lying in bed and wearing camouflage pajamas," Markarian said in a statement today.

Oh, please. The Humane society does not believe in the existence of responsible hunters.
20 posted on 07/08/2006 1:11:48 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Hugin
Click and point hunting is fine.

But I draw the line at the bait and hunt methods used by the "tough guys" here in Texas. Never before have I seen such a bunch of losers.

Dropping bait and then shooting an animal as it feeds is about the least manly thing one could do. Real hunters don't use this method. No, I'm not calling for a ban on it. I am calling for widespread ridicule of these wimps.

I'd like nothing more than to walk up to each of these guys -- in his blind next to his feeder -- and say, "hey lard butt, get up and hunt like a man."

21 posted on 07/08/2006 1:11:52 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: M-cubed
Yup!....When I grew up..if u shot it u ate it!...I remember well as an inexperienced 12 year old hunter sneaking up on an apple tree full of grouse....After 2 flew in a direction where I could not get a shot (as grouse are prone to do) I was ready!...the next bird flew and I downed it...Unfortunately..it was a robin!!!...I can still remember my uncle whom i was hunting with, casually asking in typical dry down-east Maine humor..."Well Ill be go to hell!...you'll have to tell me what a robin tastes like...I never shot one before"......(an yeah, they're eatable, but i haven't tried another one since!)

Darn right!

Bait/feeder hunting is only done by the most pathetic excuses for men around.

22 posted on 07/08/2006 1:13:34 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: nypokerface
While I don't like this practice, If you look at this dispassionately what you have is game management. And that is the responsibility of the landowner.

While I don't agree with hunting over feeders or from a vehicle, It is legal in Texas. Take it up with the lawmakers.

The article didn't say weather deer were harvested this way. I think probably not. It sounds to me like the animals were so called "exotics", or non- native species.

Dead is dead weather from home or at the game farm. These animals are raised expressly for sport hunting and nothing else.
23 posted on 07/08/2006 1:17:02 PM PDT by saleman
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To: AlaninSA
Bait/feeder hunting is only done by the most pathetic excuses for men around.

Are farmers pathetic? That's what it is really, farming, putting meat in the freezer.

24 posted on 07/08/2006 1:18:51 PM PDT by Dosa26 (p-q4)
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To: doug from upland
If the inventor is someday eaten by jackals, I will not shed a tear for him.

I agree 100%!

Now if this was a 'point and click to kill a bomb toting terrorist', I'd go for one a day, or until I maxed out my credit card.

25 posted on 07/08/2006 1:23:48 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Dosa26
Are farmers pathetic? That's what it is really, farming, putting meat in the freezer.

Now there's an example of moral equivalence a Berkeley professor would be proud of.

26 posted on 07/08/2006 1:24:41 PM PDT by dropzone
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To: Dosa26

Are farmers hunting?

Nope.

They're raising animals for food. A hunter is engaging in a sport that I (for one) consider an honorable method of gaining food and (from time to time) something to make a pair of gloves.

Does a farmer load up a rifle, suit up in camo and then mount the horns of his latest butchered steer on the wall?

Nope.

There's nothing wrong with hunting...if you're hunting.

My issue has nothing to do with the death of an animal. It has everything to do with wannabe tough guys attempting to claim to be hunters while doing nothing more than shooting livestock at the trough.


27 posted on 07/08/2006 1:28:44 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: saleman
Dead is dead weather from home or at the game farm. These animals are raised expressly for sport hunting and nothing else.

Excuse me, but under your definition the cattle, hogs, etc., at the slaughterhouse are animals raised for "sport hunting" because they were raised to be killed. Raised as part of a hunting family, I have shot a few deer and antelope. While I didn't enjoy it, I have no problem with hunters. Deer harvests are needed. However, killing animals at a feeder via the internet is neither "sport" nor "hunting." It is simply killing because you want to kill something. Like I said, I have no problem with hunters. I do have a problem with people who just want to kill something just for the sake of ending the life of a living creature.

28 posted on 07/08/2006 1:32:25 PM PDT by Paddlefish ("Why should I have to WORK for everything?! It's like saying I don't deserve it!")
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To: M-cubed

There is a great, American ethic to your story. Thanks for the post.


29 posted on 07/08/2006 1:32:37 PM PDT by DC Bound
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To: dropzone
Are farmers pathetic? That's what it is really, farming, putting meat in the freezer.

Now there's an example of moral equivalence a Berkeley professor would be proud of.

A rancher lets his cows roam his land then when it's time for harvest he herds them to the slaughterhouse and they are dispatched. Say a guy lets deer roam his land and puts out a feeder before deer season. When it's time for harvest he dispatches them. What's the moral dif?

30 posted on 07/08/2006 1:33:43 PM PDT by Dosa26 (p-q4)
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To: nypokerface

This is sick and disgusting.


31 posted on 07/08/2006 1:34:54 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

What if we made it more ironic. Lure convicted pedophiles to computers to look at their internet porn, and then let the internet hunters put the crosshairs on them?? ,-}


32 posted on 07/08/2006 1:36:33 PM PDT by Paddlefish ("Why should I have to WORK for everything?! It's like saying I don't deserve it!")
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To: AlaninSA
It has everything to do with wannabe tough guys attempting to claim to be hunters while doing nothing more than shooting livestock at the trough.

I really don't give a fig what other people want to claim. This point and click thing is pathetic, but free enterprise nonetheless. IMO any one who pays money to mount heads on their wall is wasting money, but thats just me. I can remember the sport of tracking and moment of decision fine without visual aids.

33 posted on 07/08/2006 1:44:01 PM PDT by Dosa26 (p-q4)
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To: JoeSixPack1

I didn't add that, but you were reading my mind. A billion dollars could probably be raised if we had the opportunity to click and nail a terrorist.


34 posted on 07/08/2006 1:48:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Dosa26

I think you understand that my point is not about "point and click," but with feeders.

Feeders are for losers.


35 posted on 07/08/2006 1:50:25 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: nypokerface

That was so totally cheating. Why not just buy the meat at a market, and a computer game, and save on ammo and shipping?


36 posted on 07/08/2006 1:57:43 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: AlaninSA
Feeders are for losers.

I think we are in half agreement. Shooting off feeders is not hunting. Like I wasn't hunting one day when I was tagging along on a trap line in an area that had lots of rabbits. I felt like eating rabbit so I plugged an almost tame (no one shot rabbit there) rabbit. I wasn't hunting I was just baggin lunch.

37 posted on 07/08/2006 1:58:23 PM PDT by Dosa26 (p-q4)
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To: gondramB
You know, they ought to replace the animals with humans and use remote controlled paint ball guns

Wasn't there a stink a few years ago about some paintball place where you could "hunt" girls in bikinis? Anybody else remember that?

-ccm

38 posted on 07/08/2006 2:39:27 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: nypokerface; freepatriot32

big government on the march (even in texas)...


39 posted on 07/08/2006 2:45:44 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: Paddlefish
It's not my definition. And the Antelope that the article is talking about are Blackbuck Antelope, native of India. They are nearly extinct in India, there are more in Texas than anywhere in the world.

I would prefer that folks would not use the word "hunt" to describe what happens in these canned hunts. But that's what they call it.

"I do have a problem with people who just want to kill something just for the sake of ending the life of a living creature."

I completely understand and almost agree. But you or I don't have the right to force our morality on other people unless it causes harm to someone else.
40 posted on 07/08/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by saleman
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To: nypokerface
It's not hunting. It's called slaughtering livestock.

Personally, I have no problem with slaughtering livestock for consumption. I have been raising and slaughtering livestock my entire life. But it ain't hunting.

Anyone who thinks this is hunting needs to save his money and stick to video games.

41 posted on 07/08/2006 3:16:07 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: nypokerface
Jesus! I've got nothing against hunting, although I do not participate myself. But this is sick. Awful little thrill for your $1500 bucks, in my opinion, unless you just like to watch things die.

In this case you should be in jail, just on general principles. Besides, wouldn't it be cheaper just to take a guided tour of a slaughter house?
42 posted on 07/08/2006 3:41:28 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: Seruzawa
Hell, I've hit deer with my car, and missed scores of them by frantic braking. Deer populations should be controlled. It's not the animals being hunted that I am particularly worried about. After all, deer were created to be eaten. I worry about the animals doing the hunting, and that is what they are.

Do the population control some other way.
43 posted on 07/08/2006 3:45:17 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: AlaninSA
Dropping bait and then shooting an animal as it feeds is about the least manly thing one could do. Real hunters don't use this method.

Real hunters hunt for food.
Fake hunters think it's a sport.

44 posted on 07/08/2006 3:48:51 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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45 posted on 07/08/2006 4:03:00 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: ccmay
mE: You know, they ought to replace the animals with humans and use remote controlled paint ball guns

ccm: Wasn't there a stink a few years ago about some paintball place where you could "hunt" girls in bikinis? Anybody else remember that?


Yep, I remember - upset people because it was women - with my plan you'd have a choice of shooting men or women with your remote controlled paintball gun. No animal rights problems and no gender issues.
46 posted on 07/08/2006 4:22:48 PM PDT by gondramB (And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are going out.)
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47 posted on 07/08/2006 5:07:53 PM PDT by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: sully777

:)


48 posted on 07/08/2006 5:58:22 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: nypokerface
when it approaches the food, the hunter moves on-screen crosshairs into place. A click of the mouse fires a rifle to kill the animal.

The future of war, oh wait....

.....this is what predators do now.

49 posted on 07/08/2006 6:22:54 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: AlaninSA
just remember when you go kick those fellas in the but and tell them to hunt deer like a man that your probably dealing with some very hard working folks that will only be able to hunt for a week or less during the season. These animals are not going extinct anytime soon. The modern day hunter is under so many time constraints with work and family that he hardly gets to hunt at all. I believe that everyone deserves to get them a deer during the season. I put out a little corn each season to draw them into the area I plan to hunt.
50 posted on 07/08/2006 6:26:38 PM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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