Here's the real deal, onyx. You just couldn't resist taking a swipe at arasina. You jumped on it while sinkspur ignored my joke. And it was posted in jest, albeit obscurely so.
Posted on 07/08/2006 7:50:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Just goes to show why I can't figure out why Tancredo is against the plan, other than the fact he's trying to muck the waters. Pence's plan is exactly what Tancredo has been calling for.
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Just a suggestion........Why don't you just start a thread on the subject and add to, it rather than posting the same information over and over on so many threads. Most of us have read it numerous times and even if you're adding to it, by now, the additions probably aren't being read, just skipped over.
Great! And then if they can find an economic way to convert that desalinated water to hydrogen fuel, we'll be killing several birds with one stone (so to speak).
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well yes. the heart of then R&D confidence is that computer modeling and assembly tools from bio tech have migrated over to materials research in the last couple of years. Most of the issues that are addressed by H20 & NaCl seperations involve catalysts and semi permiable membranes. ie find cheaper better faster catalysts and semi permiable membranes. The same tools and similiar strategies are also used for Hydrogen seperation and purification on a much smaller scale for H20 with the goal also of finding cheaper better faster semi permiable membranes and catalysts.
Tbe hollywood high concept is that in the end you stick a pipe in the ocean and fresh water just flows through the semi permiable membrane. Various energy converters from tidal to wind to solar converters along the way crack out the hydrogen in the H20 and use the hydrogen to pump the water inland for 1000 miles.
Bush said at his inaugural address back in January that we are only a few short years from some extraordinary breakthroughs in energy research. this is the sort of thing he was talking about.
The federal labs were constructed in the early 1940's based on the predictions that bomb could be made. todays work in molecular/atomic modelling and assembly at the federal labs and elsewhere is on a similiar scale and is also goal oriented based on predictions generated by the research.
I have HEARD Mike Pence talk of his plan. He has stated that once you go back to your country it will take you 2 weeks to register with the employment agency and return here. How is that giving employers time to find American workers? It just seems like a formality to me.
PLEASE ANYONE, explain to me who will cover the healthcare needs of the guest workers? Will the employers have to provide healthcoverage? What happens when their wives have 3 kids in the time they are here? Will Medicaid be picking up the tabs for these families? I don't see how people making so little money will be able to afford private health insurance if they employer doesn't cover it for them. So really as far as the healthcare crisis, nothing changes.
If the family is here as a guest worker and paying taxes wouldn't they then be eligible for social services? A landscaper with a wife and 3 children are going to need help. Will they show paystubs and then qualify for foodstamps, section 8 housing, their kids free breakfast and lunch?
Since the guest workers will be filing taxes, are they going to be ELIGIBLE FOR THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT?
The guest worker program is basically adding 12 million working poor that will need public assistance. Yes they will be paying taxes but the taxes you are going to pay on a salary of say $20,000 a year is not going to cover the cost.
The real reason we need these guest workers is because our Social Security program is bankrupt, the guest workers are really needed to sustain it, WE NEED THE CASH NOW!!!! It does not take into consideration the impact on everything else.
A national ID swipe card into a national database is an absolute must.
Here's the real deal, onyx. You just couldn't resist taking a swipe at arasina. You jumped on it while sinkspur ignored my joke. And it was posted in jest, albeit obscurely so.
Great questions. Perhaps President Bush needs to do a 'Town Hall' a la Bill Clinton where people can ask about the Guest Worker plan.
Heh. Evidently it's quite satisfying for them though. Not as good as a ZOT feast, but nevertheless fills their need to feel they are 'better' than others.
Which will be killed in the committee.
We'll see.
I still do not understand why we MUST have a "guest worker" program.
Yeah, we'll see. Tancredo's bill ain't gonna go nowhere except to the boneyard occupied by other all-or-nothing, me-me-me, pass-my-bill-or-the-kitten-gets-it legislation.
You people are freaking delusional. You got a strong border enforcement in Pence's plan, Pence has the administration's ear, and it just may pass the Senate. If it doesn't pass the Senate then yes, we should dig our heels then against the Senate's AMNESTY bill. But you wanna piss away a golden opportunity because the bill has a guest-worker provision - NEARLY THE SAME DAMN PROVISION SUPPORTED BY TANCREDO UP UNTIL NOW, THE SAME PROVISION THAT'S GOING TO BE AROUND REGARDLESS IF HR 4437 PASSES ON IT'S OWN, (Ever hear of HB-1 visas?) that you don't want.
We don't know that. Until he writes an actual bill, we don't know what we'll get.
Let me know when Pence introduces a bill!
Congressman Pence's plan is an idea that has been shopped around by the Krieble Foundation. In mid-2005, the Krieble Foundation came to FAIR asking our support for its solution to the nation's illegal immigration crisis—a privatized guest worker program that allows illegal aliens to participate. As a core principle, FAIR is opposed to amnesties and mass guest worker programs. FAIR stayed true to its principles and refused to sign on to the Krieble Foundation proposal. Unfortunately, in a well-intentioned but misguided effort to break the ongoing stalemate between the House and Senate, Mr. Pence signed on.
Now called the "Pence plan" and "a compromise" by some, this guest worker program exceeds even the Senate's guest worker plan because there are NO NUMERICAL LIMITS for at least three years. Everyone in the world, including illegal aliens in the United States, is invited to get a guest worker visa, called a "W" visa. Guest workers are immediately allowed to apply for a green card and as long as a guest worker's green card application is pending, his W visa is indefinitely renewable. Thus, this plan is nothing more than a back door amnesty.
Care to dispute this?
If Pence ever gets around to supplying some details of his plan or gasp even writing a bill we could read it and decide whether or not what you claim is true.
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