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Acts of Prophet's Disciples
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Posted on 07/09/2006 8:48:15 AM PDT by kronos77

Writes Gregory Copley in the Foreword of Joksimovich's book: "It would be fair to say that Islamist terrorism has its 'forward command and control' in Bosnia Herzegovina and has achieved the great goal of the psychological warrior: it has caused the Western societies to host it, subsidize it, and protect it."

On April 25-28, 1991 Turabi organized a Jihad congress in Khartoum. Islamic movements from 55 countries including Albania and Bosnia were represented and came away with a plan for an Islamic conquest of the World by means of terror. Rating: BUY THIS BOOK

By recognizing Kosovo independent, West may be at the precipice of not just hosting, subsidizing, and protecting but also internationally legitimizing Islamist terrorism.

Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Philippines, Kashmir, Sudan... are all wars Muslims are involved in with their cultural neighbors and this book signals a reader that these are not haphazard events allegedly caused by intolerant Christians, Hindus, animists... but a planned and organized Jihadist campaigns to acquire "lebensraum" at the expense of lives and heritage of non-Muslims.

(Excerpt) Read more at serbianna.com ...


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Balkan Ping!
1 posted on 07/09/2006 8:48:18 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; Banat; ...

Nazism is just a childs play campared to the Islamism.

In nazism time, there were free nations ready to stant up to it, in Islamism time, Islamism is concidered... multiculturalism...

Or is just that multiculturalism is just as bad as nazism


2 posted on 07/09/2006 8:50:50 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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Someone asked me a question as to what would I tell the president if I were asked to brief him. I did some research interviewed some folks and received some emails and then put it in one letter, and this is what I came up with:

You have asked me no simple question here. Will I be paid by the hour or receive a one time consultant’s fee? :) If I were the President, a Congressman and a Supreme Court Judge rolled into one, as you would like, I would certainly ask for more money than I’m making now. I could sure use that salary about now. But, since I have never gone to Law School and my real education began at “The Basic School”, in Quantico, VA., (USMC); I’ll go ahead and take a stab at these questions. You don’t ask too much do you? :)

The first thing that I might tell the president would be that our first task should be to start talking frankly about the actual threat. We have to discard the taboos and explore the myths for what they really are and not the political correctness that has pervaded our society in most all segments, (ie., religion, political, social…..), which, I will talk about later. We need to be able to discuss Islam in the proper context and straight up dissecting the character of the religion and the nature of the actual threat that does come from Islam. Let’s face it, right now the enemy is Islamic Fundamentalism. We’re not talking about those issues surrounding the agenda of the NWO as this would be another small book.

I discovered, while in Kosovo, the tactics that was used to elicit support for the Albanian “cause” and agenda. Granted, from the Albanian point of view, they were under the rule of a harsh “dictator”, reduced human rights, threats to their lives and property, “rumors” of massacres and rape houses, etc…….The tactics used by not only the Clinton Administration, but the Muslims as well. There was just enough truth about the Serbs, to make the exaggerated lies more believable. The lies being was the exaggerated number of dead that were put in mass graves, the atrocities committed by the Serbs, rape farms, and the naming of individuals responsible whether true or not. You take the small truth but make the lie bigger to give the impression that genocide was actually taking place, when in reality it never happened. Even the Albanians believed the stories of mass graves, and other accusations to the point that they migrated out of Kosovo as refugees. I have many examples, but this serves as a summary. Here is the point, one tactic that was used and is being used even today, is to falsify history and the past to make the past fit what they would like it to be and not what really happened. History was and is being used for propaganda purposes, like the old war stories of your granddad or Father, or some forgotten hero who embellishes his exploits to the level of being a superhero and winner of many medals. In reality, he got a bullet in the “ass” by a buddy cleaning his own rifle. : ).

This deceptive effort is a popular technique used by many different leaders from groups similar from the “Jim Jones”, movements to political parties and the agendas belonging to any number of activist’s movements, inclusive, of the agendas carried out by entire countries. The down side of this practice ranges from the individual to the entire population of a country; if you repeat the lie long enough, you or they will actually take it as the truth and thus make it published history. I have a small bit of wisdom that I forged from a famous quote, and I added to it my own interpretation to give it a different “flavor”. You may have heard this before, “For those who forget the past, they are doomed to repeat it”, my additional caveat is; “and for those who live a lie about the past, will act with impunity to make it the truth”. This is a dangerous formula to live by if you are the targeted segment in that society.

We must know the enemy to win battles, and besides knowing about Counter-terrorism, we must also know about what makes up the terrorists mindset. In this case, it is certainly Islamic in nature, not a made up organization that the U.S. Government has invented. Granted we have our own homegrown terrorist; KKK, Skin Heads, Anti-Abortionist etc…..but Al Qaida is an actual organization built around specific leaders with a chain of command and a distinct agenda or plan for war.

The U.S. and other (but not all) countries believe that anticipatory self-defense is inherent in the basic right of self-defense. A Navy publication sums up the concept and its rationale very nicely:

“International law recognizes that it would be contrary to the purposes of the United Nations Charter if a threatened nation were required to absorb an aggressor’s initial and potentially crippling first strike before taking those military measures necessary to thwart an imminent attack. Anticipatory self-defense involves the use of armed force where attack is imminent and no reasonable choice of peaceful means is available.”

Anticipatory self-defense provides the basis for using force for self-defense pursuant to the SROE’s based on an adversary exhibiting “hostile intent.”

Dep’t of Navy, Annotated Supplement to the Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations, para.4.3.2.1 (1997).
SROE, note 22, supra, at para. 5 (h). The definition is as follows:

Hostile Intent is the threat of imminent use of force against the United States, US forces, and in certain circumstances, US nationals, their property, US commercial assets, and/or other designated non-US forces, foreign nationals and their property. Also, the threat of force to preclude or impede the mission and/or duties of US forces, including the recovery of US personnel or vital USG property.

Today, in my research, it was mentioned that many Muslims realize that it is not their Islamic identity but their American citizenship that is under threat. Before September 11, Muslims in America focused primarily on changing United States policy on Israel, Kashmir and Iraq. Ever since then, the focus on reconstituting their identity as American Muslims has made domestic relations - civil rights and interfaith relations much more important. Interestingly, a 2004 survey found that Muslims overwhelmingly back changing U.S. policy in the Mideast as the best way to wage the war on terror (76 percent was one figure). Muslims would prefer that the government backed a Palestinian state (87 percent) and was less supportive of Israel (80 percent).

Also, a study found that many Muslims in the United States have come to acutely understand the vulnerabilities of minorities and the importance of democracy and civil rights. Muslims, at first did not acknowledge the values and virtues of their American citizenship because they took it for granted. . Now that it is imperiled, the overwhelming desire of many Muslims is that America remains true to its democratic and secular values. Even the Mexicans that rioted, were rioting for citizenship and carrying American flags, not burning them.

Islam presents two faces, the public face claims peace and co-existence, the other face is world domination by the sword of the prophet. Say peace, to the 200 or so Philippine women and children massacred by the Abu Sayyaf group in the Philippines, or peace to the 1200 or so nurses raped and killed in Kuwait, or peace to the school children and civilians suicide bombed in Israel, or peace to the 5,000 plus in New York and Washington. This does not compare to Pearl Harbor which was one army against another army rather than out to just kill civilians who cannot fight back. This list could go on and on for the past 1400 years.

Modern-day immigrant Muslims continue to face challenges as residents of the United States, and they are addressing these in different ways. Questions of identity, occupation, and dress, and cultural identification are particularly significant for many American Muslims. Other major issues include the relationships among different racial and ethnic Muslim groups as well as with other American Muslims; how and where to provide an Islamic education for one's children; and appropriate roles and opportunities for women. It also seems that many are moving from a phase of dissociation from the mainstream American life to much more active participation in our political and social arenas. American Muslims also appear to be moving into another stage of identity in which these kinds of issues are being confronted and resolved in new and creative ways. The result may well be that a truly American Islam, woven from the fabric of many national, racial, and ethnic identities.

Since 9/11, Muslims across the United States have faced numerous new challenges and opportunities as they continue to define their community in America. A central question that must be confronted by the United States and any other western country with a sizable Muslim population is this: Is America a nation based on Judeo-Christian values or on something more universal? Do we value cultural diversity, or merely tolerate it? These are questions that we must ask ourselves, yet not give up our own culture and independent lifestyle.

Now, what in my humble opinion, would be a report to the president. I might say, that the U.S. Government might overtly focus on the reforming Muslim community and educate them on refocusing their agenda in not only living their faith, but the real issue at stake is retaining their citizenship and living within the laws instead of trying to change the laws and the constitution that our forefathers drew up.

Instead of promoting tolerance and understanding for non-Muslims; greater inclusiveness, less profiling, and a more determined outreach to minorities; that feel marginalized and threatened by the war on terror, instead we educate the Muslims to tolerate, understand and take their citizenship in the U.S. as the issue.

We are told to address the human rights abuses, economic and political grievances of the poor masses, and to spread democracy and free thinking in Muslims countries. We are even undertaking programs and efforts to increase public diplomacy. Especially unsettling is the effort of bringing about initiatives to improve public diplomacy aimed at groups that still claim 911 was perpetrated wholly by the U.S. government. This story is so well conceived that even indigent non-Muslims American are starting to believe this spin.

In late 2002, The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace (CMIP) undertook a survey of Saudi Arabian (Wahhabi) textbooks. Unlike the Centerís former surveys of Palestinian and Syrian textbooks, however, the Saudi textbook survey included the Saudi Arabian (Wahhabi) outlook on Christianity and the West as well as Saudi notions of government, womenís status and childrenís rights as taught in schools.

The Report analyzes 93 school textbooks taught in grades 1-10, mostly from the years 1999-2002 and presents a "unique" religious and political worldview to which school students between the ages 6 and 16 are exposed through their textbooks.

In these Wahhabi texts, Islam is presented as the only true religion while all other religions are presented as false. ìIslam is the only religion leading its followers to Paradise, whereas all other religions destroy their believers in Hell. The Muslims are, consequently, superior to followers of all other religions, in both this world and the next.

Christians and Jews in particular are denounced as infidels. Jews especially are presented as enemies of Islam and of Muslims. ìMuslims may not befriend them, nor emulate them in any way, lest that lead to love and friendship which is forbidden.

The Saudis have funded more than 80 percent of the Wahhabi-influenced mosques built in the United States within the last 20 years.

Moreover, the majority of Muslim Student Associations at U.S. colleges are dominated by Islamic and anti-American agendas, as are most of the numerous Islamic Centers and schools financed by the Saudis.

And the most malleable minds belong to Muslim children. An estimated 30,000 Muslim children attend Saudi-funded Wahhabi day schools in America. Intolerance and outright rejection of American values and democratic ideals - classical Wahabbism - are often taught.

Another suggestion is to cease giving security clearances that is now based on religious preferences. In this case, Muslims should not be allowed a security clearance. Despite the outcry it would clean up a lot of loose ends. Granted, there are Muslims who are here for a life and have no desire to become an extremist. The ones that have clearances should go through much scrutiny and tough evaluations for a semi-annual review in order to retain their current clearances. Conduct spot checks and unannounced background checks of those with clearances based on the idea put forth with the notions previously mentioned to prevent terrorist attacks and not for criminal prosecutions.

We should establish a system for supervising Mosques and Islamic Centers as justified by the current threat. This would be a touchy area and should be handled carefully, but judicially. Even the moderate, reforming Muslims are cornered to use the Mosques as staging areas for terrorist and their tools of their trade.

Bring back the highly effective tool of racial and ethnic profiling that could be used as a tool for all Federal law enforcement agencies. One good example is the situation involving Ahmed Ressan, in December 1999, and in August 2001, the report of the Customs Officer Jose Melandez-Perez stopping the 20th hijacker for 911 at the Orlando International Airport.

Attempt to modify or adjust Immigration laws would that exclude those associated with Jihad from entering the U.S. or the deportation of the same. Use as a model the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act (INA, the McCarran-Walter Act). It allowed the exclusion or deportation of any Alien who had engaged themselves with activities that were prejudicial to the public interest or were in any way subversive to national security. Any personal assurances are not to be accepted as Islam allows lying to the infidels in order gain an advantage. One example is the Taqiyya, by concealing one’s Islamic beliefs to infidels.

A real powerful tool, would be to refuse or rescind American Citizenship for all identified Islamic Activist. It is a sacrilege for a Muslim to take the oath of office without lying. Bottom line, why would a Muslim want to become a citizen of a pluralist non-Muslim state, and why should the citizens want him/her here, unless there were other reasons, granted there are Muslims that are not part of this and do want a new life as I mentioned previously.

Go ahead and authorize spying on Muslims as a countermeasure against terrorist activity. The failure of the past reports was not disclosing the identity of those targeted for this surveillance. The CAIR exploited this situation by inflaming public response to believe that ALL Americans were the subject of this surveillance. The President has the constitutional authority to obtain foreign intelligence without a warrant. The reasons for this would be to prevent armed attacks within the United States and not in violation of the 4th Amendment rights. The Republicans and Democrats who opposed this do not understand what they are faced with when dealing with this growing threat of Islamic Terrorism. It’s not religious grounds but based on political grounds.

The Muslims will always hate and try to destroy anything that is not Islamic 'radical' No matter what we do. There are many Arabs that want to reform their belief system and wish to have peace. However, in reality they are basically powerless in the long run due to the radical clerics that wield power/money coming in from Saudi Arabia and certainly Iran. No matter how many concessions a society gives the Muslims it will not satisfy those terrorists/Islamic extremists.

Relative to Iraq, one solution given to me by a friend that is stationed there now, might be to cordon off the entire country from Syria and Iran, bring in Gulf War I (1990-1) level troops (500,000). Then isolate the media/reporters and do a 60 day sweep and destroy all suspected cells and any sympathizers. Fortify the security at significant infrastructure points to stop the infiltration of Jihad fighters.

The Security Council adopted a resolution on 12 September 2001 that condemned the attacks, expressed determination to combat terrorist acts by “all means”, re-affirmed the inherent right of individual and collective self-defense, and expressed its readiness “to take all necessary steps” to respond to the terrorist attacks. However, it does not itself constitute an explicit authorization to use force except in self-defense.

Now, our deployment is authorized whether they like it or not. As it appears to be self-defense. In its joint resolution authorizing the use of force, Congress noted that the attacks of 11 September “render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad” in order “to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States.”

The U.S. and other (but not all) countries believe that anticipatory self-defense is inherent in the basic right of self-defense. A Navy publication sums up the concept and its rationale very nicely:

“International law recognizes that it would be contrary to the purposes of the United Nations Charter if a threatened nation were required to absorb an aggressor’s initial and potentially crippling first strike before taking those military measures necessary to thwart an imminent attack. Anticipatory self-defense involves the use of armed force where attack is imminent and no reasonable choice of peaceful means is available.”

Anticipatory self-defense provides the basis for using force in self-defense pursuant to the SROE’s based on an adversary exhibiting “hostile intent.”

Another suggestion given to me was to send the new police and Army recruits of Iraq to Germany so they all communications are blocked off from Iraq. Conduct training for at least two months, then do a partner program with our ground forces for a few months while the United States does a drawdown to say a division size Quick Reaction Force for stabilization. This basic strategy could possibly allow the U.S. to withdraw our forces within one or 1.5 years.

I hear from people on the ground there, that the country has great potential. However, they need tighter security and a well trained police force to instill hope and confidence among its citizens. At the present time it seems that U.S. Troops are getting mired down in a Vietnam all over again and no end in sight.

I would tell the president that over the past 30 years, the Muslim population in Europe has expanded rapidly from a few hundred thousand to more than 20 million. Muslims there and in the United States are arguing over their roles in Western societies: Mainly should they integrate, seclude themselves, or convert the West to Islam?

As I mentioned before in the United States as well as in Europe many Muslims are content to be law-abiding, culturally integrated citizens. But an increasing number feel some degree of alienation as France and Denmark/Sweden has discovered. Many are also beginning to believe that they have a religious duty not to integrate.

Radical Islam, as we know is called Islamo-fascism, has all the "advantages" the Nazis had in Germany in the 1930s. The Islamo-fascists find a Muslim population adrift, confused and humiliated by the dominance of foreign nations and cultures. They find a large, youthful population increasingly disdainful of their parents' passive habits. It seems that the radical Islamists reach back to the founding ideas and myths of their religious culture like the Nazi’s did of old. And just like the Nazis, they claim to speak for authentic traditions while actually advancing expedient and radical innovations to their own religion.

I would brief the President on the true nature of the Jihad. This is exactly Islamic Terrorism. The Islamic cult is like a cancer. It is evil and is driven by a false doctrine called the Koran. The Koran is designed to first provide the hook by misleading it's followers and converts them into believing that Islam is a religion of peace. Once the hook has been taken they know who they can influence to be a recruiter, suicide bomber, or whatever they need.

The Imams are very well organized and on a larger scale will inflitrate a community, town, state and country very skillfully. They identify the weak or conflictive areas of the civilization, social structures and wherever they can provoke a conflict. They then focus on those areas. Once enough control and power has been established or followers have been brainwashed, they are in a position to follow the Koran and present to the infected civilization they have invaded, the three choices. These are either to convert, subjugate, pay money or experience a Jihad. The reasons are usually made up or provoked themselves to give excuses for their violence.

There are many of the Muslims that are sleeper cells, individuals that are brainwashed and actually believe the crap in the Koran, and will turn in a minute. They are either pushed by email, letters from home, paid, or just by themselves reflect back on the crap they were fed as a child.....

A working paper submitted to a government agency I won’t name at the present, goes something like this. This document internal to this agency explained that that Islam divides offensive jihad into a "three-phase attack strategy" for gaining control of lands for Allah.

During my research, I found the following bit of information by Stephen Schwartz
It comes from the text of a testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security on Thursday, June 26, 2003. It describes the three phases of Jihad.

The first phase is the "Meccan," or weakened, period, whereby a small Muslim minority asserts itself through largely peaceful and political measures involving Islamic NGOs -- such as the Islamic Society of North America, which investigators say has its roots in the militant Muslim Brotherhood, and Muslim pressure groups, such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations, whose leaders are on record expressing their desire to Islamize America.

In the second, a "preparation" phase, a "reasonably influential" Muslim minority starts to turn more militant. The presentation would use Britain, France and the Netherlands as examples. The final jihad period, or "Medina Stage," which is a large minority uses its strength of numbers and power to rise up against the majority, as I mentioned earlier Muslim youth recently demonstrated in terrorizing France. The paper also notes that unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam advocates expansion by force. The final command of jihad, as revealed to Muhammad in the Quran, is to conquer the world in the name of Islam.

There is clearly a problem of Wahhabi/Saudi extremist influence in American Islam. The time is now to face the problem squarely and find ways to enable and support traditional, mainstream American Muslims in taking their community back from these extremists, while employing law enforcement to interdict the growth of Wahhabism and its financial support by the Saudis. If we fail to do this, Wahhabi extremism continues to endanger the whole world — Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

So what could possibly be their long term plan to caveat the three phases. Well, I found some specifics from an article entitled, “Twenty Year Plan; Islam Targets America” by Dr. Anis Shorrosh, the following objectives were identified:

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with hate crime bills state-wide and nation-wide. (example using the cartoons to change laws)

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities to promote Islam as the original African-American's religion while Christianity is for the whites! Strange enough, no one tells the African-Americans that it was the Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves, neither the fact that in Arabic the word for black and slave is the same, "Abed." (example using dialogue with the film clips)

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith. (examples using the donations to colleges and the courses)

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office for favorable legislation to Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the internet by buying the corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America - the black gold. America's economy depends on oil, (1000 products are derived from oil), so does its personal and industrial transportation and manufacturing -41% comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell, "foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran" anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena. (use forum language and technique)

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions, get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way. Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

a. Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961)

b. No birth control whatsoever - every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.

c. Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years - since one cannot have the Muslim legal permission to marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.

d. Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2000 released inmates have joined Al Qaida world-wide). Only a few have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil. So far - sleeping cells! (examples from books and internet)

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are 300 exclusively Muslim schools with loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. (examples)

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish "Centers for Islamic studies" with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher education institutions. (examples)

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, not the truth, which is Islam hijacked the terrorists. Furthermore in January of 2002, Saudi Arabia's Embassy in Washington mailed 4500 packets of the Quran, videos, promoting Islam to America's high schools--free. They would never allow us to reciprocate. (examples)

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards the Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls. (We have experienced this too often since 9-11.)

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not American's justice system. (examples)

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars. (examples)

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting that freshman take at least one course on Islam. Be sure that the writer is a bonafide American, Christian, scholarly and able to cover up the violence in the Quran and express the peaceful, spiritual and religious aspect only. (examples)

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media of their visibility.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook. (examples)

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the US by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

November 2005, Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud gave Harvard and Georgetown University $20 million in donations. As a result Harvard is going to create a university wide program on Islamic Studies, recruit new faculty members in the field, provide more support for graduate students and convert rare Islamic textual sources into digital formats to make them widely available. Get this…they are going to rename the Center to H.R.H Prince Alalweed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. This Prince has also given to Louvre and other universities as well. Well, he also gave $10 Million to Mayor Giuliani in October 2001 for the Twin Towers Fund. The “Prince” gave his condolences and condemned all forms of terrorism. There was one little curve ball however, the good Mayor returned the $10 million when he learned of a news release quoting the Prince as calling on the American Government to “re-examine its policies in the ME and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause” The statement went further and said, “Our Palestinian brethren, (who cheered when the twin towers went down); continue to be slaughtered at the hands of Israelis while the world turns the other cheek”…say what??

Finally, since no one on this forum would believe Western “common-taters”…: ) let us allow the radicals to speak for us……

Let’s start with Imam Siraj Wahhaj who is a famous black convert to Islam in 1991, during a speech to Muslims in Texas. The good Imam said in a speech, entitled, “The Muslim Agenda in the NWO”, where he warned that America would fall like the Soviet Union unless it accepts the Islamic Agenda”. In 1992, he suggested to an audience of Muslims in NJ, that Muslims had the numbers to take control of the U.S. in a political coup.

Now one of my favorites is Omar M. Ahmad. Another famous, honored guest at the White House, who by the way, said in 1998, to a Muslim Audience in an Islamic Conference, in California, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominate. The Quran should be the highest Authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

Now, do we have a problem or what? And finally one more little speaker called Abdurahman M. Alamoudi. A real famous buckaroo…in 1996, at the Islamic Association for Palestine’s 1996 annual convention in Illinois, he said, “Muslims, sooner or later we will be the moral leadership of America. It depends on me and you. Either we do it now, or we do it after a hundred years, but this country will become a Muslim country. And I think if we are outside this country, we can say, “Oh Allah, destroy America.” But once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it.”

I can provide references and notes, as I did my research should you want them. Since this is not a formal paper I didn’t include them here.

Understand, this is only scratching the surface of major suggestions that in themselves can be broken down into sub-goals…..but something better get put on paper quick and the trend reversed. We provide tolerance and education of our system to new Muslim citizens. Keeping in mind if our young going to Harvard and Georgetown, are going through these tolerance lessons……they will bypass the myths of Islam. As Paul Sperry has amply outlined, the myths are:

1. Islam is a Religion of Peace
2. Jihad Means Inner struggle against sin.
3. Terrorism does not come from Islam.
4. Allah is the same God of the Bible.
5. The Quran teaches tolerance of other religions.
6. Osama Bin Laden Hijacked Islam and disorts its teaching.
7. Islam is compatiable with Western style Democracy.
8. Those Virgins, They are really raisins. (well they might cause a raisen..:))
9. Poverty and Oppression motivate the terrorist.
10. The Quran does not encourage self-Immolation.

Each one of the myths can be addressed in detail and by the Quran or by example.

Granted, the KKK distorts the Bible as do fire breathing evangelist but none yet have went world wide…………..
Matthew Levitt, has said that ìSaudi officials and state-paid religious leaders sit on the boards of charities that the American government suspects of supporting terrorism.

Let there be no doubt. Al Qaeda ideology is essentially Wahhabism, and most, if not all members of al Qaeda are ideologically Wahhabist. Billions of Saudi dollars are flowing through legitimate businesses, charitable front organizations, Islamic Centers, academies, private schools, wealthy Saudi individuals and world wide criminal activities for the sole purpose of promoting a religious philosophy that is antithetical to democracy, the democratic ideals of freedom, tolerance, religious pluralism and Western civilization as we know it.

Until the administration confronts this reality in a decisive manner, lasting progress in the war on terrorism is unlikely. Wahhabism, by its very nature and history, represents a nascent fifth column in America.
An example of the nature of Islam comes from a small hot place called Philippeville. Philippeville was a small mining center of about 130 Europeans and about 2,000 Muslims, who for years had coexisted amicably. Apparently, labor relations were extremely good with a rare degree of equality between Muslim and European.
Check out what happened on August 20, 1955. A number of Muslim families even left town. But no one warned the Europeans.
This is what I would tell the president for starters.


3 posted on 07/09/2006 9:02:17 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Wow! I'm impressed (not an easy thing to do).


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To: tgambill; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
Al Qaeda ideology is essentially Wahhabism, and most, if not all members of al Qaeda are ideologically Wahhabist. Billions of Saudi dollars are flowing through legitimate businesses, charitable front organizations, Islamic Centers, academies, private schools, wealthy Saudi individuals and world wide criminal activities for the sole purpose of promoting a religious philosophy that is antithetical to democracy, the democratic ideals of freedom, tolerance, religious pluralism and Western civilization as we know it.

A thing to remember.

The ideology of the former Baghdad regime was secular modernizing pan-arabism which was basically European/Western although authoritarian. BAATH party was founded by a Christian Michel Aflaq and under BAATH rule Christians had freedom to worship and advance in society.

Shia version of Islam is more similar to Christianity with hierarchy and inclusion of science and philosophy like Aristotle (analogous to scholasticism). There are Christians churches and even Jewish synagogues in Iran.

It is Puritan iconoclastic Wahhabism which is most dangerous. Christian and Jewish religion is illegal in Saudi Arabia.

5 posted on 07/09/2006 10:51:12 AM PDT by A. Pole (Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
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To: tgambill
"Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2000 released inmates have joined Al Qaida world-wide). Only a few have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil. So far - sleeping cells! (examples from books and internet) "

Huntsville, Texas is the main part of the Texas prison system.
Moslems have a house in this small town and they try to convert the most violent inmates regardless of race.
6 posted on 07/09/2006 10:58:11 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Moslems have a house in this small town and they try to convert the most violent inmates regardless of race.

It is easier to convert such criminals to Islam than to Christianity. Radical versions of Islam pander to human passions and violent people can make fierce warriors.

Christian conversion involves contrition, humility and love of enemies. It can be much harder for hardened souls.

7 posted on 07/09/2006 11:05:34 AM PDT by A. Pole (Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
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To: MadLibDisease

Bookmark


8 posted on 07/09/2006 11:15:18 AM PDT by MadLibDisease (The murderous cult of islam is on the march and the war the liberals want to wage is against GW)
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To: tgambill

Bravo!


9 posted on 07/09/2006 12:06:56 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: tgambill
I'm assuming correctly that this is also your work?
10 posted on 07/09/2006 12:32:15 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Correction: The above url in my post references tgambill's work.


11 posted on 07/09/2006 12:48:37 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: neverdem; Tolik

interesting


12 posted on 07/09/2006 1:05:52 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout; All

Latest news is taht west is about to grant Islamised Kosovo temporary indipendence on 5 years.

I wote for another war.
Enough is enough.


13 posted on 07/09/2006 1:17:23 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: tgambill

BUMP!


14 posted on 07/09/2006 1:17:52 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: A. Pole

"Christian and Jewish religion is illegal in Saudi Arabia."

That's quite the understatement.......we had secret Bible Studies in compounds; and in 1993 or 1994, four Philippinos's were passing out Bibles to fellow Christians and were caught in one of the compound raids. They were set for execution, "Off with the head" in Chop Chop Square. The Philippino embassy went to bat for them...and whatever conditions, arrangements, paid off whatever; got them released and out of the country ASAP.......It's really nothing to "lose your head over"......It's also illegal to date in the Kingdom. Meaning, if I were to meet an American from North Carolina or any state, I cannot talk to here in a supermarket without having to watch for the religious police. You pass notes with phone numbers secretly while in the aisles.....when you go out you have to frequent restaurants that are already named in the Western community as "fairly" safe to eat out in. Always be ready to leave if the Matawa comes in......or, if caught dating, you will be arrested on the spot and taken to jail.....this is a normal life there......God forbid if EVER caught messing around with a Saudi Woman....I don't even want to think about what would happen to both.....


15 posted on 07/09/2006 11:45:40 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: rbg81

Thanks......I used several references, articles, and interviewed several close friends in Iraq now. The situation is very explosive and IMO very complicated...so, writing about the situation especially on these types of forums can be hazardous to your professional reputation...:) However, what I like about this one is that it is closely monitored, and for the most part doesn't have all the "rhetoric" that the others have. But, I like the responses because good references, links and additional information is gleaned from the posters.


16 posted on 07/09/2006 11:52:40 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: sageb1
yes and no....Chris D. interviewed me while I was in Kosovo. We held the info until I was back in the states as it would not be prudent to release the info and still be working with OSCE. Then, he wrote the article based on our many talks....... then after this and one other article CNS visited me and did a two day interview where I was living..... here and finally, CNSNews
17 posted on 07/10/2006 12:54:37 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: kronos77

Starting in Western Macedonia, attacks in Skopje, and South Presevo. Turkey is also behind this....relative to the fate of Macedonia....Long story very short.


18 posted on 07/10/2006 12:59:11 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Iw spent ages explaining to people that USA actualy hade patty or no actual interests in Balkans, and that Iranian nad Turkish interests are sooooo much larger.
Both Iran and Turkey wants their stance in Europe, and that is best to do in Balkans.
German interests too...

Actually nothing realy changed on balkans since 19th century...

USA, Germany and Russia are just guest stars in Christianity/Islam clash.


19 posted on 07/10/2006 3:45:26 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: tgambill

Thank you for the CNS link. This info must start getting into mainstream news. Our efforts seem to always reach a dead end. No one wants to offend the Muslims and those who see what is going on are referred to as "fringe right-wingers" and hate groups.


20 posted on 07/10/2006 4:15:30 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

I have to make a caveat to the article as it was not a formal paper, so I didn't include several references, "Defeating Jihad", "Infiltration"...and several others, mixed with my own experience over the past 15 years.

The caveat however, is that relative to three suggestions, racial profiling, supervising the Mosques (within reasonable circumstances) and spot checking BI's, would require more quantifications and would actually require modifications to the current laws. Boy would the hard core democrats have a "hissy fit"...:) over that effort.

Inclusive to this list are our very own hate groups that as far as I'm concerned are dangerous to some extent. As I support Bush to an extent, I have some bones to pick, but overall I do. By me doing that and vocal about it, get this....I was labeled a "traitor"....come again?? yes, because I supported the current administration I was a "traitor" to the American people...;)) this was a new one. In any case, so as not to get banned from the site I held my tongue so to speak, but I can guarantee you...if that person and I were talking in a bar and he said that.......:) Hell hast no fury as a pissed off former Marine...

Anyway, we are going to have an interesting future not far off the horizon.

Tom


21 posted on 07/10/2006 4:33:03 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: kronos77

Our interests in the Balkans started in 1948....We do have interests in the Balkans but with a different agenda. Our interests and Turkey's interests are based on different goals but we both have interests nonetheless. We have an agenda that culminates with the Independence of Kosovo as a signficant major objective to start the next chain of events to take place.


22 posted on 07/10/2006 4:37:17 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Excellent piece, Tom!


23 posted on 07/10/2006 10:57:35 AM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Moslems have a house in this small town and they try to convert the most violent inmates regardless of race.

Sounds as if they wouldn't have to shift their values system by much to get to Mecca.

24 posted on 07/10/2006 3:02:48 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Bokababe

thanks.....I posted this on LF and didn't get a lot of retort. I got some, but not as much as I expected. I'm expanding it, makine my reference list and some more suggestions. My mind is to publish it shortly.....

The downside was that three of the suggestions would require a change of law or modifications to the current laws.

Bokababe, this situation is coming to a head not far off...stand by!!!!


25 posted on 07/11/2006 1:05:25 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: A. Pole

Islam is made to order for people with sociopathic tendencies, just like Nazism. (Mad Mo was probably a sociopath himself). Criminal activity is no longer deviant but can be justified as a form of jihad.


26 posted on 07/12/2006 5:20:18 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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