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The Speck murders: 40 years later
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 09, 2006 | Scott Fornek

Posted on 07/09/2006 6:51:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Kathy Domzalski remembers waking to the screams of the survivor. Pat Waddington remembers how close she came to sharing the fate of the eight student nurses -- opting at only the last minute not to stay overnight with her friends in the neighboring town house.

And Peter McNamee still remembers the chill he got when he heard a sketchy report on the radio about the murder of some unidentified nurses from South Chicago Community Hospital, where his fiancee, Nina Jo Schmale, was finishing her schooling.

"I just felt cold blood run through me," McNamee said. "I don't know if they gave the address or the street, but just the fear ran through me."

The fear ran through all of Chicago.

Exactly 40 years ago this week, Richard Franklin Speck broke into a two-story town house in a quiet middle-class neighborhood on the Southeast Side and made nightmares come true.

It was a case that made headlines around the world, prompted an entire generation of Chicagoans to start double-checking the locks on their doors and plunged society into the modern era of the mass murderer and serial killer.

'An end of innocence'

"This was the first time that young women, literally asleep in their beds in a middle-class crime-free neighborhood, were stabbed and strangled to death for absolutely no reason," said William J. Martin, 69, the former Cook County assistant state's attorney who led the prosecution of Speck. "No prior animosity. No falling-out. No jilted love affair. No motive whatsoever for these homicides.

"It really was an end of innocence in American life."

And for many, it was only the beginning of decades of pain and sorrow.

To mark the 40th anniversary, the Chicago Sun-Times examined hundreds of pages of court records and transcripts, reviewed countless police and official documents and plumbed the memories of dozens of people touched by the case.

Many of the cops, lawyers and relatives of the victims are dead. Speck died in prison in 1991. But to those still around, the memories cut as sharp as a knife.

"I can remember like it was yesterday," said Jack Wilkening, 69. "When you have to go with your parents to the morgue to identify your younger sister, it is something that sticks with you forever."

The lone survivor among the women in the town house that night, the former Corazon Pieza Amurao, declined requests for an interview. She was the 23-year-old Filipino exchange nurse who hid under a bed and then gave police and prosecutors an eyewitness account that led to Speck's capture and imprisonment.

Chicago Daily News reporter M.W. Newman called the 4-foot-10 Amurao "a blend of steel and lace."

"Hey, without her identification we wouldn't have nothing," said Jack Wallenda, 80, who was the first homicide detective on the scene. "She was a petite little girl, you know. But what she went through, it's unbelievable."

To the world, they would be forever known as "the eight student nurses."

But to their families and friends, they were Pamela Lee Wilkening, 20; Mary Ann Jordan, 20; Suzanne Bridget Farris, 21; Nina Jo Schmale, 24; Patricia Ann Matusek, 22; Gloria Jean Davy, 22; Valentina P. Pasion, 23, and Merlita Ornedo Gargullo, 23.

All were working and studying nursing at the old South Chicago Community Hospital, which was about seven blocks from the beige and green town house in the 2300 block of East 100th Street that, like some others in the complex, the hospital used as a dormitory.

Amurao, Pasion and Gargullo were from the Philippines, pursuing graduate degrees in nursing as part of a foreign exchange program. The rest were finishing up their senior year of nursing school.

Davy was from Dyer, Ind. Schmale was from west suburban Wheaton. The other four were from the South Side or south suburbs.

'Ready to do a world of good'

Schmale was a devout Christian who saw nursing as her calling. Matusek enjoyed antiquing with her sister. Wilkening like to watch her older brother race cars. Pasion hoped to bring her family to the United States. Four were engaged. One had tacked a newspaper headline to a bulletin board in the town house, reading "Here Comes Tomorrow."

"They were about ready to do the world a world of good," Jack Wilkening said. "They were ready to go out and do what they had been taught to do and probably do a very good job at it."

It was Wednesday, July 13, 1966, a hot summer evening after a string of 90-degree days.

"Doctor Zhivago" was playing downtown. "Thunderball" was already in the neighborhood movie houses. Fifty-year-old Frank Sinatra had just announced he would marry 21-year-old Mia Farrow.

But the city was on edge as race riots raged through the West Side. "End the Violence!" a Chicago Daily News editorial implored.

Gloria Jean Davy was on a date with her fiance, Robert W. Stern. They had steak and champagne with Stern's mother to celebrate the older woman's release from the hospital.

Davy was considered "the sophisticated one" by her classmates because she had attended college before nursing school and was witty and outspoken.

'Talking and drinking and laughing'

Mary Ann Jordan, Suzanne Farris and Waddington got together to discuss Farris' upcoming wedding to Jordan's brother and to hash out how to deal with a problem they were having with one of their nursing school instructors.

They drove to a Burger King for Cokes and french fries.

"We were sitting and talking and drinking and laughing," Waddington remembers.

Jordan lived with her parents in the South Chicago neighborhood, but she was planning to stay with her friends in the town house on East 100th Street. Waddington lived in another town house in the complex, but she, too, was going to stay with her friends.

When they returned to the town houses, the three friends first went to Waddington's place to chat for an hour or so. Waddington is still mystified by what happened when it came time to go.

"All of a sudden, Suzy and Mary Ann got up and left," Waddington said. "It's like there was a cue, and I didn't respond to it. I was really standing in my doorway and going, 'Hhhmm.' ... And I didn't follow them.

"It was like I couldn't step across the threshold."

Earlier that evening, Merlita Gargullo had just said her prayers. Corazon Amurao was asleep in her top bunk after spending an evening washing her clothes and writing letters home to the Philippines.

About 11 p.m., they heard four knocks on their locked bedroom door.

Amurao opened it, and a stranger in black pushed it open, waving a gun. He forced Amurao and Gargullo into a larger bedroom down the hall, where Wilkening, Matusek and Pasion were sleeping.

'I'm not going to kill you'

Amurao, Gargullo and Pasion ran into a closet in the bedroom and held the door shut, but they came out after they heard one of the American women say, "He is not going to harm you."

When the three Filipino nurses came out, they saw that Schmale had apparently been roused from her bedroom and was now with the others.

"What do you want?" one of the young women asked.

"I want money. I'm going to New Orleans," the stranger answered.

They offered him money, and one by one, the gunman allowed them to get their purses so he could take the few dollars they had.

Outside, Davy had just returned home from her date. She and Stern sat in the car and sang along as the radio played one of their favorite songs, "You'll Never Walk Alone."

When it ended shortly after 11:30 p.m., Davy left the car, opened the door of the town house, waved to Stern and went inside.

Upstairs, she went to open the door of the large second-floor bedroom, but the intruder pulled it open. A startled Davy screamed, but the stranger jammed the gun at her and ordered her to sit down. He took a bedsheet and began cutting it into strips with a knife, hanging the strips around his neck.

Moving along the line of nurses seated on the floor, the stranger tied each woman's wrists and ankles.

"Why are you doing this?" Davy asked. "We are student nurses."

"Oh, you are a student nurse?" he asked with a smile.

He lifted Davy onto one of the beds in the room but left the other bound nurses sitting on the wooden floor.

"Don't be afraid, I'm not going to kill you," the gunman said at one point.

'It hurts!

When he had finished tying the seven women, the stranger untied Wilkening's ankles and took her out of the bedroom.

About 20 minutes later -- around 12:30 a.m. -- Jordan and Farris returned to the town house from their bull session with Waddington a few doors away.

Jordan and Farris ran into the bedroom where the rest of the nurses were tied up. The stranger came in after them and ordered the two young women to follow him. He marched them out of the bedroom, a strip of bedsheet still hanging around his neck.

Amurao heard the sound of a scuffle outside the bedroom and then the sound of water running in the bathroom. The stranger returned to the large bedroom again, untied Schmale's ankles and took her from the room.

The bound nurses in the big bedroom scrambled on the floor to hide themselves behind or under the bunk beds while the stranger was out of the room. When he returned to the large bedroom, he easily found them and took them out, one by one.

Hiding under a bed, Amurao occasionally heard soft screams from the other rooms. When the stranger took Gargullo out, Amurao heard her friend cry out, "Masikit!" Tagalog for "It hurts!" Amurao later testified she always heard the sound of water running before the intruder returned to the big bedroom.

The last was Davy. The stranger raped her on the bed, as Amurao crouched in her hiding spot under a bed across the room, silently praying as the bedsprings creaked. The intruder took Davy from the room and continued his assault on a couch downstairs.

Now alone in the large bedroom, Amurao frantically crawled on her stomach to hide under another bed, one with a blanket hanging over the side. About 45 minutes after he had left the room, the stranger returned, dumped out the remaining coins from the women's purses and left.

'Things like that didn't happen'

Amurao stayed curled under the bed for more than 90 minutes until she heard an alarm clock go off, signaling it was 5 a.m. She began working to free her wrists, then untied her ankles just as a second alarm went off at 5:30 a.m.

She looked around the bedroom cautiously, then walked out and saw the trail of bodies. The 23-year-old student nurse went to her own bedroom, where the bodies of Wilkening, Farris and Jordan lay on the floor.

She climbed to her top bunk, opened a window and screamed, eventually pushing out the screen and climbing out to stand on a ledge overhanging the front door.

"Help! Help! Everyone is dead on the sampan but me," she screamed, in her panic using the Tagalog word for houseboat, the home of many Philippine islanders.

In a neighboring town house, Ellen Stannish was already up when the house phone rang, and someone on the other end reported there was a woman outside crying.

Stannish went out and saw one of her classmates walking with her arm around Amurao.

"They're all dead," Amurao was crying.

The screams woke up Domzalski, a student nurse in another town house.

"I believe it was six minutes to 6, to be precise," said Domzalski, 59, who now lives in Midlothian. "Nobody could believe or understand what had happened."

When they first heard all of the women were dead, Domzalski said she and other student nurses in neighboring town houses assumed a window air conditioner had leaked some toxic fumes. Others wondered if it was a gas leak.

"We tried to come up with a logical explanation if they were all dead," Domzalski said.

As they gathered outside in nurse's uniforms and pajamas, they could not believe when they heard it was murder.

"Everybody was shocked," said Leona Bonczek, 60, a classmate of the slain nurses who lived a few doors away. "Things like that didn't happen."

Waddington was one of the last to wake up. Since she was supposed to have spent the night with the slain nurses, her own roommates assumed she was also dead until one saw her in the hallway outside her bedroom.

"She just screamed, 'You're alive!' and ran away," Waddington said.

'What the hell happened?'

Detective Jack Wallenda had been to his share of crime scenes.

But the gruff but softhearted homicide detective had never seen anything like what confronted him in the town house.

First, he saw the body of a nude woman on a downstairs couch. Walking upstairs, he saw another body sprawled on the bathroom floor. In one bedroom, he saw three dead women. In another, he saw three more.

"I mean, it was one after another," Wallenda said. "You're wondering, 'What the hell happened?'"

Some looked familiar, especially the woman lying on the bathroom floor.

"Pat Matusek," said Wallenda, who lived nearby. "Her father used to own a tavern at 108th and Michigan. And I'd go in there once in a while with my father-in-law, you know, to buy some drinks. And, of course, I saw little Patty running around with her sister Betty Jo in the tavern, you know. I got to know her."

Others he recognized from South Chicago Community Hospital, where he frequently went to investigate cases as an Area 2 homicide detective.

"You get to know them on a personal basis," Wallenda said.

The women had all been stabbed or strangled -- some both. Farris had been stabbed 18 times and strangled with a white nurse's stocking.

Others had strips of bedsheet knotted around their necks. Matusek had been strangled and kicked in the abdomen. Gargullo was strangled so hard, her neck was dislocated. Pasion's throat had been slit.

'Bring back my daughter'

"There was so much blood on the floor, it had started to coagulate already," remembers Wallenda, 80, now retired but still living in the Roseland neighborhood.

McNamee was driving to his job at a silk-screen printing plant in west suburban Addison when he heard the initial reports on the radio.

He immediately turned around and drove back to the home where he lived with his parents, told his mother, called Schmale's parents and then drove to his fiancee's family's home. Inside, they stared at the walls until the call came a few hours later.

"The families were decimated. They were torn apart," said Schmale's brother Dr. John Schmale, now 68 and a physician in Downstate Mahomet. "The families were thinking about graduation and graduation parties and all this. This is not something any family anywhere dreams of happening."

Matusek's father, Joe, the beefy tavern owner, wept uncontrollably as his neighbors tried to comfort him. "Bring back my daughter," he sobbed.

Fear gripped the surviving nurses.

"Rumors were flying around: It was a former patient. It was a former boyfriend," Domzalski said. "No one knew why they were selected. We were part of the same group, so we felt threatened."

Then came the funerals.

"You had all these friends who died, and you had to choose which funerals to go to because some were an hour or two apart," Bonczek said. "If all your friends die at the same time, how do you pick?"

40 years ago this week, Richard Speck killed 8 student nurses on the Southeast Side and plunged society into a new era -- that of the mass murderer


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: anniversary; chicago; richardspeck; serialkiller
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1 posted on 07/09/2006 6:51:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Very sad! It still brings anger. Is Speck still alive? Or was he fried?


2 posted on 07/09/2006 7:05:18 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Graybeard58

Wasn't the Boston Strangler considered the first American serial killer,just a few years before?


3 posted on 07/09/2006 7:05:44 PM PDT by john drake
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To: Graybeard58
I lived on the north side when this happened, and
I can still remember how we all felt when we heard
of this.

A&E had an hour show on this dirt bag, and he actually
was laughing with his boyfriend during the taping. What
a waste of time it is keeping these scum suckers alive.


TPD
4 posted on 07/09/2006 7:06:02 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ().....Go Cubbies .....()
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To: Graybeard58
Isn't Speck the mutant who boasted about how much fun he was having behind bars, and who had the state of Illinois pay for hormone therapy to help him grow... ah... feminine characteristics.
5 posted on 07/09/2006 7:07:34 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Graybeard58

I was away at Boy Scout camp that week and our bus driver told us about what had happened when we were driving home.
Like the O.L.A. school fire in Chicago or the flight 191 plane crash in 1979. It's something you never forget.


6 posted on 07/09/2006 7:08:27 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Graybeard58

Can you imagine an inhumane monster like this getting life in prison. He endend up in prison, a living the life of Reilly while in prison, because we had too many liberal/leftists on the US Supreme Court. And these fools had struck down the death penalty as being unconstitutional.
This is how speck was able to weasel his way from a rendezvous with the gas chamber. BTW, we have too many liberal/leftists on todays SCOTUS.


7 posted on 07/09/2006 7:10:08 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: lilylangtree

Richard Speck died in Stateville Prison in Joliet, Ill., on Nov. 6, 1991 of a heart attack at the age of 49.


8 posted on 07/09/2006 7:10:30 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Even if he had a gun they would have been better off fighting.

Better to die standing than on your knees.


9 posted on 07/09/2006 7:11:16 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: All

Follow the link for photos and videos.


10 posted on 07/09/2006 7:12:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: lilylangtree

If I remember correctly, he died unexpectedly of a heart attack in prison back in 1991. There was a bizarre film of him in prison just prior to his death; he appeared to be partying with some other inmate and he was bare chested in the film, mugging and laughing at the camera. The wierd part was the fact that he appeared to have developed women's breasts, so to speak. There was speculation he was taking female hormones or some such thing. A strange, freaky, perverted and twisted man. I do remember one of the dead student nurses father, Matuszek, swore he would never live to see another day if Speck got out of jail. He never did. The rest of the article does speak squarely as to the reaction in Chicago; the whole atmosphere changed, as if whatever innocence was left in Chicago, had truly gone. A bizarre occurence.


11 posted on 07/09/2006 7:12:36 PM PDT by john drake
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To: Steely Tom
That's the very guy. He was proud of his female appearance.
It was a sickening display for the camera. He should have
been put to death in a public forum for all to see.

TPD
12 posted on 07/09/2006 7:12:36 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ().....Go Cubbies .....()
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Truly a sick fire truck.


13 posted on 07/09/2006 7:15:53 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: john drake

Speck had some problem like a malformed or extra chromosome. It affected his skin--he had extremely bad acne--and possibly his disposition. He should have been executed. The only possible motive is that one of the girls was a ringer for his ex-wife.


14 posted on 07/09/2006 7:18:17 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

So he killed her and the rest of them so there'd be no witnesses? Or did he just enjoyed killing after the first one?


15 posted on 07/09/2006 7:20:32 PM PDT by john drake ((roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear"))
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To: john drake; Steely Tom; lilylangtree; Graybeard58

From
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/murder1.html
about two-thirds down the page

"In May, 1996, five years after his death, a pornographic video made secretly in prison began airing on Chicago's WBBM-TV showing the mass murderer wearing woman's panties, doing drugs, having sex and bragging about living the good life at Stateville prison. A total embarrassment for Illinois lawmakers, the tape, believed to have been shot in 1988, shows Speck handling $100 bills and casually snorting from a huge pile of coke. At one point he says, "If they only knew how much fun I was having in here, they would turn me loose."


16 posted on 07/09/2006 7:22:10 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Steely Tom

Yeah, that's the pos.


17 posted on 07/09/2006 7:22:12 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: john drake
Whi knows why? But he missed one who hid under the bed and was able to identify him.
18 posted on 07/09/2006 7:23:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: john drake
There have been serial killers throughout US history. Here is the Court TV crime library on serial killers throughout history, but with an emphasis on the US. Reporters tend to think because it's the first time they've heard of something, it's the first time it's happened. The "end of innocence" line is used constantly as if specific killings were some kind of turning point. They used it with the Boston Strangler, and with Truman Capote's In Cold Blood, about the murder of the Clutter family. I don't know if there are more serial murderers now. John Wesley Hardin supposedly killed over 30 men.

Richard Speck and the Boston Strangler were probably more along the lines of being the first sensationalized through the media as serial killers.

19 posted on 07/09/2006 7:27:56 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Graybeard58

I remember the Speck murders. And Charles Whitman playing sniper on the Texas Tower that same summer. Before that summer headline murders were something like the killing of Kitty Genovese, or the Dr. Sam Sheppard case that inspired the plot of 'The Fugitive'.


20 posted on 07/09/2006 7:28:32 PM PDT by Pelham (McGuestWorkerProgram- Soon to serve over 1 billion Americans)
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To: Richard Kimball

Interesting name you have, Dr Sheppard.


21 posted on 07/09/2006 7:31:10 PM PDT by Pelham (McGuestWorkerProgram- Soon to serve over 1 billion Americans)
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To: lilylangtree
he died in Prison. He was one of the lucky ones who was spared by the Supreme Court when they threw out the DP for a brief time.
22 posted on 07/09/2006 7:32:07 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Mr.Smorch

Kenneth Allen McDuff also got his date with the executioner commuted. He was later released and killed several more people. Texas executed him the second time, and we haven't slowed down, since.


23 posted on 07/09/2006 7:34:54 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Graybeard58
But to those still around, the memories cut as sharp as a knife.

welp, there you have B-grade journalism and poor taste all in one.

24 posted on 07/09/2006 7:37:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: Richard Kimball
John Wesley Hardin supposedly killed over 30 men.

Then, fittingly, was shot in the back by the very man Hardin himself had hired -- to kill the husband of the woman he was seeing.

Somehow, that seems like justice...

25 posted on 07/09/2006 7:39:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: lilylangtree

He didn't fry. He ran the prison he was in, dressed in drag and being waited on hand and foot like royalty until he died. It was sickening.


26 posted on 07/09/2006 7:39:26 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: lilylangtree

Well, you have 4 answers to your question so far. All the same. I think you may get a couple more before it's over.


27 posted on 07/09/2006 7:41:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Richard Kimball
Only in the 20th century. The 19th century had quite a few serial killers, who were made nationally "infamous" in newspapers and penny dreadfuls. Heck, America even had her own "JACK THE RIPPER", in Chicago, during the World's Fair of 1893, in the nefarious Dr. Henry H. Holmes.
28 posted on 07/09/2006 7:44:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: okie01
I loved the quote attributed to the sheriff who investigated Hardin's killing. Hardin's eye was shot out, and the witnesses all claimed he'd been shot in a fair fight. The sheriff supposedly said, "If he was shot from the front, it was remarkably good aim. If he was shot from behind, it was remarkably good judgment."
29 posted on 07/09/2006 7:48:30 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Graybeard58

An eternity in hell since 1991.


30 posted on 07/09/2006 8:04:31 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Richard Kimball
Good one!

My first thought was that Hardin had been shot in the head while he sat -- presumably drunk and passed out -- in the shade of a tree...in Tombstone.

But a little research revealed that Hardin was shot in El Paso. The Tombstone event involved another gunslinger.

31 posted on 07/09/2006 8:15:30 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: onedoug

I would have prefered to read the second part -- where the survivor identified him.


32 posted on 07/09/2006 8:22:59 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: nopardons

Oh my, I'd never heard of Dr. Henry H. Holmes. Just looked him up and wasn't he an enterprising murderer? His "hotel" certainly was efficient. He's apparently considered the first American serial killer, although with a possibility of over 200 victims in ten years, perhaps mega-serial killer might be more appropriate. They didn't fool around back then, trial in Oct. 1895, hanging in May 1896.


33 posted on 07/09/2006 8:27:46 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Graybeard58
I was 7 years old, living in the Chicago area at the time of the murders. I was a very good reader, so by that time, was regularly reading the newspaper. How well I remember seeing the frightening Chicago Tribune front page with the photos of Speck's victims. It gives me the chills 40 years later.

If there ever was an example of pure evil, it was the monstrosity known as Richard Speck.

34 posted on 07/09/2006 8:27:53 PM PDT by PacesPaines
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To: PacesPaines

Wow, how scary for a 7 year old. My friend's grandfather was the judge in the Speck case. How sickening.


35 posted on 07/09/2006 8:34:21 PM PDT by pbear8 (Pray for our troops.)
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To: bwteim
Speed freak Timothy McVeigh

I learn something new everyday.

36 posted on 07/09/2006 8:38:47 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Was that the interview with the pig who actually had breasts? I remember a laughing, effeminate pig.


37 posted on 07/09/2006 8:40:10 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: pbear8

Are you from Peoria?


38 posted on 07/09/2006 8:42:27 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
Exactly 40 years ago this week, Richard Franklin Speck broke into a two-story town house in a quiet middle-class neighborhood on the Southeast Side and made nightmares come true...almost three years to the day before Teddy Kennedy let a young woman die in his submerged car in Chappaquiddick pond, another horrendous crime......
39 posted on 07/09/2006 8:43:37 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Graybeard58
Nice to have your hometown famous for something. Richard Speck was from mine (Monmouth Ill.). He lived at the "Y" for awhile and had a record at the time. Our moms would warn us not to talk to him. Of course we did anyway. There was a barmaid murdered and left in a hog house that locals credited to him but nobody was ever convicted. He had two nephews that were a year older and younger than I and both are great guys. The younger is named Richard Speck also and I remember that a local judge asked him if he wanted to change it. He didn't, which I could never understand. We went on a family vacation shortly after the murders and of course every time someone would ask us where we were from that's what came up. So much for my brush with fame. Oh, and John Wayne Gacey lived down the road in Roseville for awhile.
40 posted on 07/09/2006 8:44:08 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

They should have been cell mates.


41 posted on 07/09/2006 8:44:37 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: pbear8

A judge named Paschen was on the case from the begining,he came here (Peoria) when the trial was moved here.


42 posted on 07/09/2006 8:55:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: okie01
My first thought was that Hardin had been shot in the head while he sat -- presumably drunk and passed out -- in the shade of a tree...in Tombstone.

But a little research revealed that Hardin was shot in El Paso. The Tombstone event involved another gunslinger.

Johnny Ringo.

43 posted on 07/09/2006 9:01:58 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: Graybeard58
They should have been cell mates...Speck ended his days as an overweight, cross-dressing homosexual - i suspect they would have gotten along fabulously together.....
44 posted on 07/09/2006 9:02:26 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: john drake
plunged society into a new era -- that of the mass murderer

Huh. And all this time I thought that title belonged to Jack the Ripper.

45 posted on 07/09/2006 9:04:23 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Graybeard58
I remember this. I believe the author is right. Richard Speck and Charles Whitman changed this country's outlook.

We were already somewhat numb when Bundy and Gacy arrived.

46 posted on 07/09/2006 9:20:14 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
A&E had an hour show on this dirt bag

Wasn't he the perv with the man-boobs and panties? I'm surprised there were no "Save Speck" concerts from kook Left bands ... Or ... were there?

47 posted on 07/09/2006 9:50:34 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: Graybeard58
I remember my mom waking me up in the morning with a shocked look on her face telling me about these murders.

There were some horrible murders in Chicago during the 50's and 60's. I can still remember the names of children who were murder--the Grimes sisters, the Schultz brothers and Mary Ann Anderson.

I had to walk two blocks to elementary school by myself and I remember being afraid. You never knew who was luring around.

48 posted on 07/09/2006 9:51:15 PM PDT by Atlantian
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To: razorback-bert

I'd love to know if that is true. I followed the case pretty closely and I have never heard that before.


49 posted on 07/09/2006 9:53:14 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: BruceysMom

I never saw a hint of meth in all the reporting.


50 posted on 07/09/2006 10:10:10 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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