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'Oil will hit well over US$100 and stay high'
Gleaner Company Ltd. ^ | July 10th, 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 07/10/2006 12:11:27 AM PDT by M. Espinola

OIL PRICES will soar to well over US$100 a barrel and stay high as part of a sustained commodities bull run that has another 15 years to run, billionaire United States investor Jim Rogers told Reuters in an interview.

One factor that could bring down the price would be a bird flu epidemic, which would send all asset classes plummeting, he said, although oil would probably fall less than other markets.

"We're going to have high oil prices for a very long time. The surprise is going to be how high it goes," Rogers said.

Reiterating earlier comment oil prices would hit at least US$100 a barrel, he said: "It will be much more than US$100 before the bull market is over."

U.S. light sweet crude hit a new record of US$75.40 a barrel on Wednesday and was trading at close to US$75 on Thursday.

Rogers, a former investment partner of billionaire fund manager George Soros, has predicted the commodities bull run has at least 15 years to run.

"It's a major long-term bull market as far as I'm concerned," he said.

Aside from the bullish impact of tensions, described by Rogers as temporary, over Iran's nuclear ambitions and North Korea's missile tests, he said oil was drawing long-term support from the lack of large scale finds

He did not know whether the Peak Oil theory that oil supplies are either at or very near their peak was correct, but said: "If there is oil out there, you had better find it soon."

Apart from new supplies, a factor that could lower prices would be a widespread epidemic of bird flu spread between humans.

"If bird flu should break out, everything will go down and oil would go down to US$40, but I would still urge people to buy oil. It would go down less than other things and it would be the first to go back up," said Rogers.

Rogers has set up the Rogers International Commodity Index for gaining access to the commodity markets.

In the first half of this year, it outperformed its much bigger rivals the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index and the Dow Jones-AIG Commodity Index .

While the RICI gained 9.7 per cent in the first six months of this year, according to Reuters data, the GSCI rose 5.3 per cent and the DJ-AIG gained 3.6 per cent.

Rogers said he could not say exactly how much money was in the RICI, but it was at least $4 billion.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: birdflu; bullrun; commodities; crude; energy; iran; jimrogers; oil; prices
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Jim Rogers can be seen on Fox News.


1 posted on 07/10/2006 12:11:31 AM PDT by M. Espinola
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To: M. Espinola
FINDING DEAL$ ON GA$OLINE:
(A work in progress. Please FReepmail other suggestions)


12 Month National Average for Regular Unleaded by AAA.com


Gas prices could fall with a TAX CUT, too!


2 posted on 07/10/2006 12:15:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: M. Espinola
One factor that could bring down the price would be a bird flu epidemic

That, and if the United States ever drills for the stuff again.
3 posted on 07/10/2006 12:16:11 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Has the New York Times ever thwarted a top secret AL-QAEDA operation?)
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To: M. Espinola; Mase; Toddsterpatriot

Hmmmmmmmmm.....someone is not only long, but he's pimping his own new company. This is NOT "news"; it's a shill looking for business.


4 posted on 07/10/2006 12:21:54 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Question Liberal Authority
"That, and if the United States ever drills for the stuff again."

Plus construct sufficient refinery capabilities, which we are not doing.

However the state of Pennsylvania has built a state-of-the-art coal gasification plant.

5 posted on 07/10/2006 12:23:39 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
"Rogers, a former investment partner of billionaire fund manager George Soros, has predicted the commodities bull run has at least 15 years to run."

Riiiight ! ! Is Soros shorting oil? I know he's short GW and long MoveON.Org. and just about any other socialist charity to which he can contribute including ChiComs.

yitbos

6 posted on 07/10/2006 12:24:46 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: martin_fierro
Thanks for those great links & data.

Gold May Rise for 4th Week as Record Oil Price Spurs Inflation

Prices keep Alberta oilsands in play despite cost overruns


7 posted on 07/10/2006 12:30:57 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: nopardons
Jim Rogers' New Book: Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World's Best Market

http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/raw-materials.html

yitbos

8 posted on 07/10/2006 12:31:34 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: martin_fierro

Excellent page!


9 posted on 07/10/2006 12:37:43 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: bruinbirdman

Soros shorted the US dollar and lost a big wad of money. He also went long on oil, back when it was going down in price. Where he stands right now, I don't know.


10 posted on 07/10/2006 12:38:56 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: bruinbirdman

Okay, so he's pimping his book, too. LOL


11 posted on 07/10/2006 12:39:57 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: M. Espinola

Oil prices will get a lot more interesting, if we allow Iran to build nuclear weapons and help countries like Syria and Sudan to do the same.


12 posted on 07/10/2006 12:42:38 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: nopardons
Recall that it was that Soros who triggered the Asian economic flu, due his heavy shorting of the Malaysian currency and other Asian currencies followed suit, resulting in severe cutbacks in national oil imports, sinking crude oil prices to under $11.00 a barrel.
13 posted on 07/10/2006 12:50:49 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Yes, I well remember that.


14 posted on 07/10/2006 12:52:07 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: M. Espinola

It's out there. We just aren't allowed to get it.


15 posted on 07/10/2006 12:53:46 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: M. Espinola

There has been talk of doing the same in Kentucky. I don't know much about coal gasification as far as being efficient...


16 posted on 07/10/2006 12:55:28 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: familyop
I believe you are correct. Oil prices could conceivably double quickly, if Iran's Mahdi cult worshiping jihadists carry out the unthinkable in the Persian Gulf.

Unlike Saddam, the Iranian tyrants will not allow themselves to be taken alive to stand trial for crimes against humanity.

17 posted on 07/10/2006 12:57:09 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: nopardons
"Soros shorted the US dollar and lost a big wad of money"

I think Soros shorted the pound versus the Deutschemark, made out like a bandit, and almost bankrupted the Bank of England.

BRITISH GOVERNMENT NO MATCH FOR GEORGE SOROS. In 1992 the British pound fell ... As the pound fell the Deutschemark rose, creating huge profits for Soros. ... Scroll about 3/4 of page down.

yitbos

18 posted on 07/10/2006 12:58:13 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

Yes, he did just that. Soros loves to play games with the national currencies of places he doesn't particularly like.


19 posted on 07/10/2006 12:59:48 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: bruinbirdman

And he's also now a convicted felon, in France, of all places.


20 posted on 07/10/2006 1:00:25 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: bruinbirdman; nopardons

Soros was also monkeying around on the Asian markets, notably on the Hang Seng and Nikkei markets, in the 1990's, managed to drag down Asian currencies.


21 posted on 07/10/2006 1:04:07 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yes....we've already touched upon that. :-)


22 posted on 07/10/2006 1:06:20 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I'm glad someone remembered that, because I would have cited the article I found a couple years ago, but in that time, my computer crashed once. :)

I do recall it was a WaPo article.

23 posted on 07/10/2006 1:08:58 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
That's okay....we've covered a lot of ground, using only a few sentences. LOL
24 posted on 07/10/2006 1:11:01 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

It gets people "Googlin'" for more. LOL


25 posted on 07/10/2006 1:12:42 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yes, it does. LOL


26 posted on 07/10/2006 1:15:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Republican Wildcat
In states with an abundant domestic coal supply, gasification is very feasible. One positive note is what was normally considered 'throw away coal' or 'coal dust' can be liquefied into various forms of fuel in the new high tech coal gasification plants.

Coal Converts

Coal Gasification 2006: Roadmap to Commercialization

Brazil has already gone full steam ahead with cane sugar gasification due to the fact the South American economic giant is the leader in the production of cane sugar, in addition, oranges, coffee and Brazil has even taken the lead in soybeans.

Ethanol fuel in Brazil

27 posted on 07/10/2006 1:18:21 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Thanks! That is very interesting info.


28 posted on 07/10/2006 1:19:08 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: nopardons


29 posted on 07/10/2006 1:42:44 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Let's go Nucular. :)


(And I want it said just like that to drive the moonbats batty!)


30 posted on 07/10/2006 1:49:29 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: M. Espinola
Why is it always the rich who trumpet higher and higher oil prices? (Neil Cavuto and other wonks who can afford gas at any price..)

Remember last year when they told us (through the media) that this summer gas would hit $3.00/gal?

Translation: "We're gonna screw ya. But we're gonna be nice and tell ya when we're gonna do it, how we're gonna do it and by how much we're gonna do it!"

"And you poor bastards can't do anything about it. Ain't power GRAND??!!"

31 posted on 07/10/2006 2:07:22 AM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: FixitGuy

The democrats need oil to be high to have any chance of winning at anything. Also the price suddenly backed off on Friday, if this fellow didn't get all his shares sold, he would need to pump oil shares.


32 posted on 07/10/2006 2:37:22 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: FixitGuy
"And you poor bastards can't do anything about it. Ain't power GRAND??!!"

I understand what you are saying and it's true, however if one believes in these prognostications from guys who have been previously correct then even little guys can still profit. Just think about the some schlub with a little account to trade oil or whatever other commodity, stock, currencies, bonds, etc.

Return toward the end of 2003, when crude oil was hovering around $29ish $31ish per barrel. If the schlub bought some real long, cheapo call options at a strike price of between $60 and $70, and held them, selling when his options hit the strike prices he made between 30k & 40k on 'out-of-the-money' options he paid under $250 for.

What I am saying is if guys such as Jim Rogers are stating oil could go well beyond $100 a barrel, bet they are playing it safe and going long on the 'energies', while shorting other market sectors.

Think about this as well, if oil prices double in the future, in which direction will stock indexes be price trending? Will gold, silver & platinum simply sit at current price levels once oil soars due to Iran, North Korea or some other horrific global or domestic event(s)?

33 posted on 07/10/2006 2:39:21 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Jim Rogers is an unbelievable tool. Ever try to carry on an actual conversation with the man over basic economics? Don't bother. He's living proof that making out like a bandit in investments does not equate to having a keen grasp of the larger picture. I'm surprised he's stopped fellating China long enough to talk about anything else.


34 posted on 07/10/2006 3:21:46 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: familyop

Oil prices will get a lot more interesting, if we allow Iran to build nuclear weapons and help countries like Syria and Sudan to do the same.

It's really just an excuse to for the speculators to bid the price up and make Billions per week. Iran has had Surface to Surface anti-shipping missiles lining the Straights of Hormuz for decades. That's the real threat to oil flow, and they were there when oil traded at $8 a barrel not to long ago.

The Korean kerfluffle is the same deal, hype to increase the fear premium.


35 posted on 07/10/2006 3:41:59 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: M. Espinola

Liberals are having orgasms over this...finally!...everybody has to ride a bike to work!


36 posted on 07/10/2006 3:49:08 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: M. Espinola

'Oil will hit well over US$100 and stay high'

Good! Buy XOM.


37 posted on 07/10/2006 3:56:19 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Wristpin

The difference is that if Iran could heave a nuclear weapon
into the Saudi/Gulf States/Kuwait oil installations, 100 dollar oil would be a dream scenario.

With that one act the economies of most of the world go into the toilet.


38 posted on 07/10/2006 4:06:17 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Republican Wildcat

What's the story with the supposed huge amounts of oil (in shale I believe) in Utah and Colorado? Is there anything to that?


39 posted on 07/10/2006 4:14:27 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: rahbert

Please..."Could have"...Pakistan and India developed the bomb in the 90's and oil sold at $8 per barrel.

I think it is fairly obvious that there is Enron style irrational exuberance occurring in the oil markets.


40 posted on 07/10/2006 4:17:23 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: M. Espinola
Jim Rogers worked for the left-wing anti-American Soros and is totally against the war on terror and a lifelong left-wing Democrat. So who is driving up the price of oil? Can someone find out if the people who are driving up the price go by the name of Soros, or Rogers? If would seem that since the supply is not in question the people who are driving up the price are people who buy the futures market and are not in the oil business at all.
41 posted on 07/10/2006 4:20:11 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: M. Espinola

I don't know the reputation of this Rogers guy, but T. Boone Pickens says we will see $100 a barrel before years' end. Pickens knows more about the oil business than any species on the planet. We have China and Indias' economies to thank as well as the fact that world oil production is past the peak. Read Hubbard's Peak for your own interpretation.


42 posted on 07/10/2006 4:43:54 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: bruinbirdman
"Jim Rogers' New Book: Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World's Best Market"

Commodities "investing" goes something like this:
I'll bet you the price will go up
Response: I'll betcha it'll go down. How much ya wanna bet?
Stock market investing puts money into a system that historically has created wealth. Commodities investing puts money into a system that has a loser for every winner.

43 posted on 07/10/2006 4:57:55 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Neoliberalnot
"I don't know the reputation of this Rogers guy"

If it's the same Rogers guy that appears on Fox Bulls and Bears Saturday mornings, the I don't really have much time for the guy.
Seems to me he is wrong a lot of the time, on a lot of issues.
I don't know if it's him though.
44 posted on 07/10/2006 5:11:42 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: norwaypinesavage

...no kidding....I've invested for 30 years and been a broker for over 15....and I would not touch the commodities market for me or my clients....except the already wealthy who want to really develop 10% as a hedge to their asset allocation....many newbies are getting in now and they don't realize unlike the stock market....you can lose everything....and quickly.....oh, but how they learn a lesson....


45 posted on 07/10/2006 5:17:06 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: M. Espinola

Bring it on, it'll be great for my motorcycle businesses.

:)


46 posted on 07/10/2006 5:34:12 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: M. Espinola

Oil hasn't gone up much lately (last 6 mos.). I'm betting (not literally)it will go below $60 before it goes over $100.


47 posted on 07/10/2006 5:38:08 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: M. Espinola

Executive order: screw the enviroweenies and start drilling EVERYWHERE! Start building three new refineries, one on each coast and one out in the middle.


48 posted on 07/10/2006 5:59:32 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: M. Espinola

Let me guess. Rogers is long oil. Am I smart or what?


49 posted on 07/10/2006 6:11:33 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Or if America slides into recession (bye bye demand) and the rest of the world follows, which it will, or any one of a number of other currently "unknowns" takes place.

Rogers is a trader and he has bet on oil going higher so he is know talking it up, or at least trying to. When he changes his rhetoric and begins saying oil will sell off and may reach $10.00 bbl, we will know he has shorted the commodity.
50 posted on 07/10/2006 6:15:28 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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