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Missing migrants put area farms in tight spot
The Daily News ^ | Jul 08, 2006 | Sophie Swecker

Posted on 07/10/2006 5:35:18 AM PDT by Shimmer128

WOODLAND --- A third of Jerry Dobbins' 155-acre strawberry crop rotted on the vine this year. His blueberry bushes are so heavy with fruit that the branches are hanging near the ground.

There is no one to pick them.

Dobbins Farm in Woodland is one of many farms across the state facing a huge labor shortage this growing season, as tighter security along the U.S.-Mexico border has crimped the supply of Latino migrant farm workers.

The strawberry harvest, one of the hardest fruits to pick because of it's low proximity to the ground, has already come and gone at Dobbins' farm, the largest of its kind in Southwest Washington. Now Dobbins is worried that his other crops will suffer a similar fate.

"We won't pay any of the bills on our strawberry crop this year," Dobbins said.

The labor problem is not unique to this region, either.

Production at the Bell Buoy Crab Co. in Chinook is down 50 percent since Immigration and Custom Enforcement raids in April, according to the Washington State Farm Bureau. Growers across the state are feeling the void left by the worker shortage, said Dean Boyer, spokesman for the Farm Bureau.

"This is a rolling problem. As various harvests come, farmers are going to feel the effects," Boyer said.

Dobbins was short about 100 workers on his farm this year, or about one-third of his workforce.

Extreme temperatures in late June worsened the problem. Strawberries ripened faster than usual. An acre of strawberries usually requires around two workers per acre, but this season Dobbins needed three workers per acre.

However, numbers were closer to one worker per acre.

The workforce on the farm is almost entirely made up of Latino migrant workers, and Dobbins speculates that many of his usual workers simply did not show up this year because border crossing has become too dangerous and too expensive for those who have to hire "coyote" guides to help them.

Dobbins says added security is not the answer to the nation's immigration controversy.

"It seems to me like if they would have some kind of guest worker program in place before they put pressure on the borders. It would make a lot more sense to farmers. There's got to be a better solution than what they're doing," he said.

Down the road, fellow farmer George Thoeny faces the same labor shortage. Like Dobbins and most farmers across the state, he depends on the migrant workers to stay in business. The Hispanic population, he said, is a necessity because white people are unwilling to do agricultural work.

"I personally can tell you, where I need 300 workers a day, I haven't had one Caucasian person knock on my door and say, 'I want to work for you.' I couldn't do this without the Hispanic people," Thoeny said. "Fifteen years ago we would have a steady stream of young people coming to us to ask for a job. This year, we didn't have one Caucasian person come to us," added Dobbins.

Handpicking berries is necessary for the farmers to turn a profit, because foreign competition keeps prices low. Both Dobbins and Thoeny own machines that can pick raspberries and blueberries, but they're too expensive and inefficient, Dobbins said.

Machine picking costs him about 85 cents a pound, where handpickers make about 35 cents a pound.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see its going to be a disaster," he said.

Berry-picking machines also pull green, unripened berries off the bush, making more work for farmers who have to spend more time sorting and wasting thousands of berries that won't ripen. The machines also damage fragile raspberries and create a much lower-quality product.

"The price of machine-picked fruit is almost not worth picking," Dobbins said.

The farmers are quick to defend the Latino population they employ. They mention hearing radio and TV talk show hosts portray Latinos as drug dealers and criminals, or claim that immigrants are stealing jobs from the workforce. They turn the shows off in disgust.

"I think that most of these people who work in the fields are some of the hardest-working people I've ever seen in my life. They're no different than people who live here and go to Alaska to work in the summer," Thoeny said.

Bob Baker, a Mercer Island airline pilot, takes exception. He is the author of state Initiative 946, which would have denied medical benefits, including prenatal care, to illegal immigrants. It failed to get enough signatures by Friday's deadline to get on the November ballot.

"After doing I-946 for the last three months I've talked to enough people who have lost their jobs to illegals. We keep hearing this mantra of 'doing jobs Americans won't do.' It's not true," Baker said Friday.

"I've talked to a mother in Yakima who wanted her teenage sons to get agriculture jobs and they couldn't," he said, adding that he believes employers are hiring illegal immigrants to drive down prices and avoid having to pay taxes on workers.

Baker believes that stricter law enforcement would discourage illegal immigration.

"If they knew we were serious about enforcing our law, they'd go back," he said.

Baker, though, agrees with Dobbins, Thoeny and Boyer that a guest worker program is needed for migrant workers.

Such a program would grant migrant workers a permit, for a fee, to come into the U.S. for the harvest months, and then return to Mexico for the rest of the year.

"That way, the government will know who's here, employers will have to pay FICA (tax) and benefits on workers," Baker said.

One of Dobbins long-time Latino workers, however, gets angry when she hears comments like Baker's.

Minerva Alparacio, 28, started as a migrant worker on Dobbins' Farm six years ago and now lives there permanently, sending money home to her family in Mexico.

"The only reason I'm here is to help my family," she said.

Alparacio is one of the few bilingual pickers on the farm. She learned English during night classes at Lower Columbia College.

Immigrant workers don't take jobs away from American citizens, she said.

"It makes me sad because it's not true. I never see Americans out here picking strawberries. It's not true. Besides that, we're doing the jobs they don't want to do," she said.

Alparacio also supports a guest worker program for migrants.

"A work permit would work better, if they would just work and then come home. That's not reason not to let them in," Alparacio said.

Vincente De Jesus is one such migrant who works on Dobbins' farm for the harvest and goes home to Oaxaca, Mexico, for the other eight months out of the year.

De Jesus says that he comes to America to raise money for his four children in Mexico. The work is hard in Mexico, and they don't pay enough, he said.

Crossing the border was tougher this year, too, De Jesus said.

"I knew lots of people, about 20, that tried to make it across. Only two made it," he said.

The shortage of workers is also creating extra pressure on the workers who remain here, according to employees and volunteers at the Woodland Community Service Center.

The center gives out food to low-income families in the area, and serves several farm-worker families.

"We stay open until 7 now, because they can't get away from the farms for the 5 p.m. distribution," said Agnes Schmitz, an office worker at the Community Service Center.

For Dobbins and Thoeny, who struggle to come up with a working solution for this problem, a future for farming seems bleak.

"Usually farmers can improvise and come up with a plan B," Thoeny said. "The depressing part is, there is no plan B."


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So we keep out a few illegals and the entire economy falls apart?? I don't know if I believe this story or not.
1 posted on 07/10/2006 5:35:23 AM PDT by Shimmer128
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To: Shimmer128

Necessity is the mother of invention and it sounds like somebody better get to inventing.


2 posted on 07/10/2006 5:39:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: Shimmer128
It would only makes sense that when rampant lawbreaking has gone on for so many decades, it's illegality is after a while simply ignored, and soon after entire business models are built upon it's existence.

I have a hard time sympathizing. Now that the fear has grown that the law will actually be enforced, it's to be expected that effects like those described here would be seen.

Oh well. As a private businessman myself, I say only "adapt or die".

3 posted on 07/10/2006 5:40:18 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Shimmer128

did this doorknob ever consider an ad in the local paper? contacting the counselors at the local high school, maybe? I am sure some high school kids would do this work (unless this guy is paying .25cents and hour, in which case his a$$ should be in prison for violating federal labor laws.....


4 posted on 07/10/2006 5:40:50 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Time to bring back tar and feathering.)
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To: cripplecreek
There already is invention. Automatic blueberry picking machines have been around for years. Pull it behind a tractor and pick Blueberry's in few minutes what it would take Mexicans a day to pick. I find it incredible that they are not using these machines now.
5 posted on 07/10/2006 5:42:17 AM PDT by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Shimmer128
"The only reason I'm here is to help my family," she said.

The reason I want you sent home is to help my family. I'm sick of having a significant portion of my family's taxes go to supporting illegal aliens.

6 posted on 07/10/2006 5:43:15 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Shimmer128
"I never see Americans out here picking strawberries. It's not true. Besides that, we're doing the jobs they don't want to do," she said"

She's no fool.
She made sure to listen to President Bush's speeches alright, and repeat them to anyone that'd listen.
Sigh.
Of course the fact that its false doesn't even come into the equation as far as she is concerned.
7 posted on 07/10/2006 5:44:09 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: joe fonebone
"Fifteen years ago we would have a steady stream of young people coming to us to ask for a job. This year, we didn't have one Caucasian person come to us," added Dobbins.

Yep. The article is awfully short on facts. I wonder if he is still paying what he did 15 years ago.

8 posted on 07/10/2006 5:44:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Shimmer128
Heck, Walter Hitchcock was saying that when he filled in for Rush once.

For me, that says that we have once again become addicted to "free" labor. Last time our nation did that, we fought the bloodiest war in our history. I fear what will happen here when all these people doing jobs Americans won't do decide to "reclaim" Atzlan.
9 posted on 07/10/2006 5:45:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Shimmer128

Hey farmers, I'll tell you where all those migrant pickers are, they're here in the city earning $15.00 to $20.00 an hour, just like the migrants before them.


10 posted on 07/10/2006 5:46:59 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If the intelligence agencies can't find the leakers how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: Shimmer128

This is the sort of job high school kids, the unemployed, and those able-bodied on welfare could do nicely.

0.35 per unit does not sound like much but I used to pick apples at 40 cents the bushel and made enough money to satisfy my high school needs and then some.

Tis farmer should get with the program and stop using illegal slave labor.


11 posted on 07/10/2006 5:47:00 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: bilhosty
We have the same situation in the packaging industry. Rather than use current technology, automated equipment, the el-cheapo operators use Mexi-matics, which are more expense but do not require capital investment.

I for one have NO sympathy for these clowns who cry when they can't get their usual slave labor. As another poster said, most towns, especially rural, have lots of high school kids who would be glad for the opportunity......but unfortunately they don't speak spanish.
12 posted on 07/10/2006 5:48:10 AM PDT by newcthem (This is the final crusade, there are only two sides: pick one.)
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To: Shimmer128

"The workforce on the farm is almost entirely made up of Latino migrant workers, and Dobbins speculates that many of his usual workers simply did not show up this year because border crossing has become too dangerous and too expensive for those who have to hire "coyote" guides to help them."

So this guy's bottom line is suffering because he no longer has unlimited access to an illegal resource?

Sounds like he had a bad business plan to start...


13 posted on 07/10/2006 5:48:24 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Shimmer128
Blueberries are running about $3 a pint here in Texas. Hard to feel sorry for greedy incompetent slave drivers.
14 posted on 07/10/2006 5:49:03 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Shimmer128

His prosperity is based on behaving illegally.

Why don't we think of that the same way we think of other forms of organized crime?


15 posted on 07/10/2006 5:49:29 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Shimmer128
I've talked to a mother in Yakima who wanted her teenage sons to get agriculture jobs and they couldn't," he said, adding that he believes employers are hiring illegal immigrants to drive down prices and avoid having to pay taxes on workers.

This is in direct odds with the farmer who said not one Causcasian applied for a job. So whats the cause/solution to the disparity? One says no whites applied; another said the sons "couldn't" get agricultural jobs. Why couldn't they? Didn't pay enough? (I know an 18 year old who would sit home and do nothing rather than work for minimum wage - he thinks he's worth more, and obviously, $0 income is somehow preferable....) Or will the farmers simply not hire because of the paperwork/tax issues? I know I'm no economist, but how about if we apply that whole "supply/demand" theory, and put in "cost of labor" at a wage that non-migrant workers need, then increase the cost of the product.....if it's really wanted, people will buy it (gasoline being a good example here...)

16 posted on 07/10/2006 5:49:46 AM PDT by Day Kay
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To: Shimmer128
Machine picking costs him about 85 cents a pound, where handpickers make about 35 cents a pound.

Maybe if he tries paying handpickers 85 cents a pound, he might find more people willing to pick those pounds.
17 posted on 07/10/2006 5:49:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Shimmer128

It's hard when you have to give up your slave labor. Invent a machine to do the process, or pay a wage that and American will work for. Problem solved.


18 posted on 07/10/2006 5:50:20 AM PDT by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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To: Shimmer128
"Such a program would grant migrant workers a permit, for a fee, to come into the U.S. for the harvest months, and then return to Mexico for the rest of the year. "

Exactly who is going to pay for their health care, education of the kids they invariably bring in, etc etc?
This is simply the old robbing Peter to pay Paul principle.

People like this Dobbins, simply want us tax payers, to shoulder the lion's share of the costs of them doing business.
They pay low wages, drive down wages of everybody, and end up sticking us with the bill for practically every social service/health care needs these people have.

It's penny wise, pound foolish. We are simply not gonna take it anymore.
19 posted on 07/10/2006 5:52:16 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Shimmer128

COST OF American Worker...about $40 /hour.
The worker can pay a mortgate, health care, and buy groceries.
COST OF ILLEGAL...$10 /hour

Who pays that difference? YOU DO, the American Taxpayer.


20 posted on 07/10/2006 5:53:54 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: McGavin999

Sooooooo,thats where they are..Taking the jobs that americans WILL do.....11 million illegals and this farmer can't find 100 to work for him????? I wonder where they are????


21 posted on 07/10/2006 5:53:56 AM PDT by fishbabe
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To: Shimmer128

And we have thousands of illegals in prison for DWI and other crimes, being fed three square meals a day, watching TV and getting free medical care. Why aren't they being trucked out to farms and orchards to do this work? I thought that's why they were coming to the USA, after all. Better yet, these skin-flint farmers could pay for the transportation cost out to their farms and it wouldn't cost the counties. (Wonder why farmers' kids aren't out working in the fields as they did when I grew up on a farm? If the family didn't do the work, you bought a machine to do it. You didn't ruin the country by importing law breakers.)


22 posted on 07/10/2006 5:54:22 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: redgolum

We'll call out the National Guard and wipe them off the face of the earth.


23 posted on 07/10/2006 5:54:41 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Shimmer128

Cry me a river, there's no reason these people can't come here legally to go to work in the strawberry fields. The problem is, they don't. They come here to stay and too many of them do it illegally.


24 posted on 07/10/2006 5:55:56 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Shimmer128

"I personally can tell you, where I need 300 workers a day, I haven't had one Caucasian person knock on my door and say, 'I want to work for you.' I couldn't do this without the Hispanic people," Thoeny said. "Fifteen years ago we would have a steady stream of young people coming to us to ask for a job. This year, we didn't have one Caucasian person come to us," added Dobbins.

Try paying them more than slave wages and you might just have more than enough "caucasions" to run your farm.


25 posted on 07/10/2006 5:56:54 AM PDT by bella1 (Support the Minuteman Project.)
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To: Shimmer128
A third of Jerry Dobbins' 155-acre strawberry crop rotted on the vine this year. His blueberry bushes are so heavy with fruit that the branches are hanging near the ground. There is no one to pick them. Dobbins Farm in Woodland is one of many farms across the state facing a huge labor shortage this growing season, as tighter security along the U.S.-Mexico border has crimped the supply of Latino migrant farm workers.

Jerry Dobbins is a criminal. He's been running a criminal enterprise. His dependence upon criminals to perform illegal labor on his farm has brought him into a bad situation when the law starts cracking down on those criminals. It is unfortunate that Jerry Dobbins hasn't been arrested for his crimes also, but this financial downturn and his newfound need to start obeying the law may be punishment enough. Crimes should not pay.

Those "migrant workers" upon which Mr. Dobbins has relied are criminals who have violated our borders and likely passed through my community on the way to his. On their way, they cut ranchers' fences, drained their water tanks, vandalized their properties, left tons of garbage on ranches, national parks, national monuments, Veterans cemetaries, hiking trails, protected desert areas, etc. They burglarized homes, stole cars and trucks, beat up citizens, terrorized residents, etc. Once they got to Dobbins' farm, if they got sick they crowded the Emergency Room and received free health care and may have bankrupted some ERs and Trauma Centers, forcing them to close down. Their children crowded the schools there and received free education from the taxpayer. If Dobbins wanted any sort of cover for his own crimes, he asked for Social Security numbers and did some of the withholding that he was supposed to. If he did, then the criminals, probably with his knowledge and perhaps under his instructions, committed the felonies of ID theft or at the very least fraud and provided fake or stolen Social Security numbers.

I'm not going to cry any tears for Dobbins. His crimes are not victimless and since I live near the border I know many of his victims. They are my friends and neighbors.

26 posted on 07/10/2006 5:56:58 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Shimmer128
Handpicking berries is necessary for the farmers to turn a profit, because foreign competition keeps prices low.

So, how does the foreign competition do it? How do they keep their prices so low?

27 posted on 07/10/2006 5:57:06 AM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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To: Shimmer128

Don't need them. Global warming has scorched the field leaving them barren and dry!


28 posted on 07/10/2006 6:00:14 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: Day Kay
"This is in direct odds with the farmer who said not one Causcasian applied for a job"

The farmer would say that wouldn't he?
He's gotta justify hiring illegals somehow.
Guy is addicted to cheap labor. Last thing he'd want to do is pay decent wages for a full day's work, at first world rates.
He lives in the first world, but wants to pay third world wages.
29 posted on 07/10/2006 6:00:17 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Shimmer128
Doesn't make sense...more illegals are coming in then ever...why the work shortage, except for the fact they are not coming in to work but to sign up for government programs.
30 posted on 07/10/2006 6:01:04 AM PDT by native texan
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To: joe fonebone

bump!


31 posted on 07/10/2006 6:04:31 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Shimmer128

Tractor-mounted Strawberry Harvester


Self-propelled Strawberry Harvester


Tractor-mounted Blueberry Harvester

Wouldn't ever want to use one of these. Committing felonies and relying upon illegal labor is so much more efficient and profitable.

32 posted on 07/10/2006 6:04:34 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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Hey farmers, I'll tell you where all those migrant pickers are, they're here in the city earning $15.00 to $20.00 an hour, just like the migrants before them.

Exactly!

There are more than enough illegal aliens to do all the agricultural work. But, they aren't dumb, and will earn more money if they can find a better job...which is precisely what they are doing.

This guy's problem is that he wants indentured servants or slaves.

33 posted on 07/10/2006 6:05:31 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: Shimmer128

May every slave-driver wannabe who is simultaneously lining his own pockets, while placing huge social welfare burdens on everyone else, have the same thing happen to them.


34 posted on 07/10/2006 6:08:13 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Shimmer128
I want to know when we started enforcing the immigration laws. Did something happen I don't know about? What is keeping the illegals out of the country? It sure isn't a few national gaurdsmen digging ditches in the desert.

This whole article, like all the ones before it, is designed to make you weep and ask for more illegals to come pouring across the border. It other words it is so much BS.

Maybe this farmer should try paying his help more, or investing in some machinery that can pick blue berries.

35 posted on 07/10/2006 6:10:10 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Shimmer128
So we keep out a few illegals and the entire economy falls apart?? I don't know if I believe this story or not.

The illegal aliens are working construction and other jobs that pay more. Crack down on illegal aliens in restaurants motels construction and there will be plenty of farm labor. OUR BORDER IS JUST AS POROUS AS LAST YEAR!!
36 posted on 07/10/2006 6:11:21 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.)
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To: calex59
I want to know when we started enforcing the immigration laws. Did something happen I don't know about? What is keeping the illegals out of the country? It sure isn't a few national gaurdsmen digging ditches in the desert.

This whole article, like all the ones before it, is designed to make you weep and ask for more illegals to come pouring across the border. It other words it is so much BS.

EXACTLY. We are still getting inundated with illegal aliens but too many of them have moved up and out of farm labor. Our immigration enforcement is as terrible as always. We are not suffering from lack of illegal aliens.

If it were up to me I would have guest worker programs for agriculture and food processing with no other guest worker programs. Then our farmers would have all the workers they want. I would combine this with border enforcement, a border fence, and workplace enforcement and sanctions

37 posted on 07/10/2006 6:16:12 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.)
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To: Spiff
I'm not going to cry any tears for Dobbins. His crimes are not victimless and since I live near the border I know many of his victims. They are my friends and neighbors.

I've seen so many stories like this where employers proudly claim they were breaking the law and hiring illegal workers. Of course, he calls them 'migrant' workers, but US-Mexico border security would have no bearing on his work supply if it was legal.

I wouldn't shed one tear if his farm went under because he probably put people out of business who were running their farms with legal workers and couldn't compete with him. I don't care if every business that profitted from criminal practices goes out of business.

I'm also tired of these stories trying to emotionally blackmail us with the scary cost of produce if we don't continue to allow our country to be invaded by illegal aliens. Our country made it through world wars when our farm workers went off to war and I think we can survive just as well now.

38 posted on 07/10/2006 6:20:24 AM PDT by Elyse
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To: mrs. a
...because he no longer has unlimited access to an illegal resource...

Too bad, so sad. Sounds like what happened to the speakeasy owners when their supply of bootleg booze dried up. You rely on illegal resources and you get what you ask for.

39 posted on 07/10/2006 6:21:50 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Shimmer128
Pulling out rotting teeth ALWAYS hurts even more than just letting them go, in the short term. In the long term however pulling these rotting teeth makes the body healthier. Yes there will be pain. THIS is the question ww should be addressing: How to easy the problems of farmers who have become addicted to using illegal aliens and not how to ease the problems of the illegal invaders. Yes I can feel for the farmers, bur no I would not stop kicking out the invaders.
40 posted on 07/10/2006 6:22:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: bella1
The reason that he doesn't have all of the high-school and college kids picking strawberries for him anymore is that over the last 15 years he and others like him have firmly implanted in everyone's mind that he only hires illegals. In the construction trades they have almost reached that point. Many of my son's friends have been hired to do entry level work in a construction job only to be fired a week or two later because enough illegals became available.
41 posted on 07/10/2006 6:29:34 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Shimmer128
When I was a kid, growing up in Wisconsin, back in the 50s and 60s, farmers were smart enough to only plant what they could harvest. Also, they used local school kids to pick strawberries after shool and on the weekend.

That is Plan B, but these farmers want the government to subsidize Plan A.

42 posted on 07/10/2006 6:35:33 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Shimmer128

I can go without eating strawberries!


43 posted on 07/10/2006 6:36:26 AM PDT by Hurricane
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To: Shimmer128
A third of Jerry Dobbins' 155-acre strawberry crop rotted...Dobbins was short about 100 workers on his farm this year

It takes Jerry 100 people to pick 50 acres?!!!

44 posted on 07/10/2006 6:37:01 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Redleg Duke

I used to pick strawberries too. We only made a few bucks but how much does a 10 year old need.


45 posted on 07/10/2006 6:38:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: RJS1950

Illegals are moving into trucking too and that's going to cost lives.


46 posted on 07/10/2006 6:40:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: Shimmer128

The reporter-bias meter shows that she doesn't use the word "illegal" in the article until she starts quoting the people who are writing initiatives &c. And then it's in quotes.


47 posted on 07/10/2006 6:45:23 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: RJS1950

I have hired thouasnds of people, but not one of them knocked on the door looking for a job. It irks me to read that these people are sending money home to Mexico and then stopping by the food bank for freebies. We are suckers.


48 posted on 07/10/2006 6:46:22 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Shimmer128
The true story is that agriculture has built its critical profit ratio on the assumption of having plentiful labor who will work for extremely low pay, demand no benefits whatsoever and never call in sick.

When I hear someone say that no white people have applied, you have to consider the current status of the job. Of course people are not lining up for hard jobs that pay less than a car wash or fast food and offer no benefits.

As long as there are plentiful illegals, this will never change. Even if employers offered $10 an hour plus benefits, illegals would offer to continue for less with no benefits, and the illegals would get all the jobs. And the employers would continue saying "jobs that Americans won't do".

49 posted on 07/10/2006 6:57:53 AM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: Day Kay
...the farmer who said not one Causcasian applied for a job. So whats the cause/solution to the disparity? One says no whites applied; another said the sons "couldn't" get agricultural jobs. Why couldn't they? Didn't pay enough?

It's a vicious circle. Agricultural jobs aren't a big issue where I live, but the local McDonald's and other just-above-minimum jobs won't keep whites on the payroll because the whites and blacks don't fit in with the rest of the crew and can't speak good enough, fast enough Spanish even when they do speak it. So after awhile no white or black kids apply for those jobs. They know when they're not welcome. Then the employer can say, "Nobody but Hispanics applies for these jobs."

We have some family experience with this phenomenon.

50 posted on 07/10/2006 7:02:12 AM PDT by Fairview
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