Cheers, Yehuda!
Posted on 07/10/2006 9:31:28 AM PDT by Kimmers
There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now -- "Can Israel Survive?" Don't worry about it. It relates to something that Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most Americans don't realize -- the Jews are never going quietly again. Never. And if the world doesn't come to understand that, then millions of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that.
Throughout the history of the world, the most abused, kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just during the holocaust of World War II, but for thousands of years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a terrible and tragic sense.
The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not just a story, it is history, if festooned with theological legend and heroic epics. In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time tolerated the Jews -- even admired them as 'superior' to other vassals -- tired of their truculent demands for independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the Jewish problem. Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the implacable Roman War Machine -- see 'Masada'. And thus began The Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of the world.
Their homeland destroyed, their culture crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a hostile world where they could be safe. That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and 'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first mono-theistic people. Throughout Europe, changing times meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then malevolence. There is not a country in Europe or Western Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim, sometimes by manipulation.
Winston Churchill calls Edward I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European monarch to set up a really effective administrative bureaucracy, surveyed and censused his kingdom, established laws and political divisions. But he also embraced the Jews.
Actually Edward didn't embrace Jews so much as he embraced their money. For the English Jews had acquired wealth -- understandable, because this people that could not own land or office, could not join most of the trades and professions, soon found out that money was a very good thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins. Ever resourceful, Edward found a way -- he borrowed money from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe, especially France. The loans were almost certainly not made gladly, but how do you refuse your King? Especially when he is 'Edward the Hammer'. Then, rather than pay back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews. Edward was especially inventive -- he did this twice. After a time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland, borrowed more money, then expelled them again.
Most people do not know that Spain was one of the early entrants into The Renaissance. People from all over the world came to Spain in the late medieval period. All were welcome -- Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of learning in the world -- scholars of all nations, all fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and their ideas. But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From this 'cleansing' come the Sephardic Jews -- as opposed to the Ashkenazis of Eastern Europe. In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality against Jews are common knowledge. 'Fiddler' without the music and the folksy humor. At times of fury, no accommodation by the Jew was good enough, no profile low enough, no village poor enough or distant enough.
From these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most 'American' Americans, they came to grab the American Dream with both hands, and contributed everything from new ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment to becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers. The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The United States in part because of its Jewish blood.
Then the Nazi Holocaust -- the corralling, sorting, orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses. Not something that other realms in other times didn't try to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized and had better murder technology.
I stood in the center of Dachau for an entire day, about 15 years ago, trying to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about this Dachau. I soon became engulfed in the enormity of what had occurred there nestled in this middle and working class neighborhood.
How could human beings do this to other human beings, hear their cries, their pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman. Because even in the United States not all was a Rose Garden. For a long time Jews had quotas in our universities and graduate schools. Only so many Jews could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes told without a wince - "Why do Jews have such big noses?"
Well, now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is theirs. And that's the point. It doesn't matter how many times the United States and European powers try to rein in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation, its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever fought to save her cubs. They will fight with a ferocity, a determination, and a skill, that will astound us.
And many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe. If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end. As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of World War II, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal attackers, until there are not enough to torment them.
The irony goes unnoticed -- while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of last September here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course -- We are We, They are They. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel has a September 11th sometimes every day.
We may not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it doesn't make any difference whether you are pro-Israeli or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If it comes to where a new holocaust looms -- with or without the concurrence of the United States and Europe -- Israel will lash out without pause or restraint at those who would try to annihilate their country.
The Jews will not go quietly again.
Joe McCain
The Jews will not go quietly again.
And not just the ones in Israel.
...or, to be fair, a Zionist terrorist at Deir Yasin
Neither will the Arabs.
WW-III would be the highest rated reality show!
He's correct.
A pretty good and perceptive article by....of all things....John McCain's brother. Obviously, the brother got all the brains and good sense in the family. Now if we could get John McCain to hush his yap and go away and put his brother Joe in his seat.................
If he is a McCain then he's gotta be an insane RINO turncoat who crashed his own plane and faked injuries and POW torture in 'nam so he could be a traitor and turn our precious secrets about how many parachutes a Skyhawk has in its cockpit, etc., etc., yada, yada...therefore the holocaust and all the bunk his brother is putting out about Jews suffering through history is just lies < /sarc >
"Irontank wrote: "...or, to be fair, a Zionist terrorist at Deir Yasin"
No surprise from a pro-islamist like you, since you also wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1599805/posts?page=164#164
"What has been going on in the Middle East is an entirely different story...the problem is not a lack of American involvement...its a far-too-extensive, decades long involvement and the undeniable reality is that the US has greatly favored the Israelis in the battle between Zionism and Islamism in the Middle East."
Too bad you get and repost your intel from Osama, Hamassh*les, Stormfront and U.S. and Eurocrap leftists:
Try this instead:
What happened at Dir Yassin?
Dir Yassin was certainly not a massacre of a peaceful village, but rather was an Arab-Jewish battle with unfortunate civilian casualties.
Dir Yassin lies on a hill west of Jerusalem, eight hundred meters above sea level, and 700 meters from the Jewish neighbourhood of Givat Shaul. The Dir Yassin fortified position overlooked the westerly Jewish neighborhoods: Givat Shaul, Bet Hakerem, Yefe Nof, and the road to Bayit Vagan. The village also overlooked the section of road linking Jerusalem to Tel-Aviv. Dir Yassin served as a halfway site for forces moving up from the Arab villages of Ein Karem and Malha in the south to Kastel and Kolonia, which overlooked the main Jerusalem - Tel Aviv road.
On April 2, 1948, the Arab inhabitants of Dir Yassin began sniping at the Jewish Quarters of Bet Hakerem and Yefe Nof. According to reports by the Shai (Haganah Intelligence), fortifications were being constructed in the village and a large quantity of arms being stockpiled. Several days before the attack on Dir Yassin, the presence of foreign fighters was reported, including Iraqi soldiers and irregular forces. An Arab research study conducted at Bir Zeit University (near Ramallah) relates that the men of Dir Yassin took an active part in violent acts against Jewish targets and that many of the men of the village fought in the battle for Kastel, together with Abd-el-Kadr el-Husseini. The report also stated that trenches had been dug at the entry to the village, and that more than 100 men had been trained and equipped with rifles and Bren guns. A local guard force had been set up and 40 inhabitants guarded the village every night.
On April 6, 1948, Operation Nachshon was launched by the Haganah with the aim of opening up the road to Jerusalem. The Palmach was part of this effort together with the Irgun (under Menachem Begin) and Lehi forces, their first combined operation. On Thursday, April 8, 1948 they launched an attack on Dir Yassin between 4 and 5 AM. A loudspeaker mounted on an armored car warned the Arabs and asked them to evacuate their women and children. Hundreds left, but hundreds stayed
rest here:
http://palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_war_diryassin.php
Thanks to Convert From ECUSA for the ping.
For the lists. Ping!
Regrettably true. You don't even need to look that far back. Infrequent as they may be, Jewish terrorists do pop up every so often, whether Zionist or communist. Baruch Goldstein.
Or, ashamed as I am to bring him up, Trotsky.
The Jews will not go quietly again.
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But, will they vote Democrat?
exactly....I have never understood why so many are Democrats
Cultural thing. It used to be that they were almost all Republicans. Check the party membership of the early Jewish legislators. The major changeover came with FDR.
These days, its changing back. Orthodox and younger Jews are far more likely to vote Republican. And they are the growing segments of the Jewish population.
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The historic land of the jews and christians in no way belongs to the latecomers of the death cult. Israel should constantly be making their historic claims to the land that was given to them.
Military action aside, you'll NEVER see the Deir "Jews are a bunch of terrorists too" Yasin advocates acknowledge that the civilian casualties were widely condemned by the Jewish community, and that the participants were excommunicated by the Chief Rabbi of Israel. Same as the Arab reaction when they slaughtered the Hadassah Hospital convoy a few days later. Or slaughered the Etzion residents the following month. While looting the towns in the recent Gaza style, the Etzion bloc not to be inhabited again till after the 67 war.
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I like this guy!
What does he do for a living? Is he older or younger than Johnny?
It's not a subject I am intimately familiar with. Thanks for the background, and the clarification. It does make much more sense of the Deir Yassin event, regardless.
It's also worth pointing out that Jewish terrorists aren't exactly common, and generally, the community is extremely quick to condemn them. That doesn't mean that Jewish terrorists should be swept under the table, however.
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Anyway, interesting article in the NH Union Leader a couple of weeks back about a former British soldier who served in the region of Palestine in the years after WWII and was wounded by a roadside bomb and left for dead by the Irgun and his thoughts about the two Americans captured and killed in Iraq recently
And to many, al Zarqawi was a freedom fighter, and Americans are terrorists. An inability to make moral distinctions isn't a persuasive arguement.
A very small minority of Zionists were terrorists. Its a very specious argument to make that because a very few Zionists were terrorist, Zionists were terrorists. It's like saying that because some Americans are criminals, or some Americans are accountants, Americans are criminals, or accountants.
Moreover, even Zionist terrorists generally did not target civilians, which is not to say they were brutal against soldiers. They often called ahead their targets, warning victims to get out. For example, with the King David Hotel bombing. Thus, drawing moral equivalence with present day terrorists is not very valid.
There was another article recently, I think in the Calgary Herald, that a soldier who was suspected of kidnapping, torturing and murdering a 16 year old member of Lehi (one of the Zionist terrorist organizations) who hung posters for them died recently. The evidence which was going to be brought against him having disappeared in a mysterious fire.
This is not to draw moral equivalence, as both actions were absolutely wrong. However, targetting a poster hanger and torturing him then murdering him and disposing of the evidence is different than not picking up a wounded enemy you think is dead.
This essay looked familiar, and when I checked a folder of saved e-mails, I found a copy of it, dated 2002. It's still a good one, though, worth pulling out from time to time.
Wow! Post #3. Didn't waste any time poisoning the thread.
Ironweed forgot to mention that British policy which closed Palestine to Jews before they were slaughtered under the Nazis was responsible for millions of Jewish deaths because the Jews were trapped in Europe. The Brits also violated international law and the Mandate to create a Jewish State in Palestine. The Brits also stole three quarters of the land allotted to Israel to pay off the Jordanians.
Ironweed also forget that the definition of terrorism is the deliberate targetting of civilians. Killing British soldiers is not terrorism.
Ironweed are you a Brit? An Arab/Persian?
Some Brits just can't get past the way a rag tag group of poorly armed renegades ousted a comparatively huge force of professional and seasoned British soldiers. Embarassing, huh?
There's more. Bevin's Brits had Jews caught with weapons executed. Arabs were told to be good boys, and often their weapons were given back to them. arab terrorism began in earnest, at least as far back as 1920 in what is now Israel and Jordan.
The fact that he uses the term Quds Day tells me that he is a jihadist or one of their rent boys..
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Here we go again. Must we have this crap everytime there is a thread about the violence and hatred perpetrated on the Jewish people? Have you taken into account the relevant numbers of each of these populations, and the timelines we are talking about? Ok, it's terrible about the indigenous Tasmanians and the Carib Indians. Worse off than the Jews, who were persecuted for thousands of years? No, sorry, that dog don't hunt.
Yes some massacre. The inhabitants were given a warning to get out. This took the element of surprise away from the Jewish warriors. Like their current standard bearers their soldiers hid behind civilians and got them killed and blamed the Jews for it. Like now, left wing Jews who wanted to embarass the Irgun went along with it.
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