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1 posted on 07/10/2006 10:02:26 AM PDT by kellynla
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2 posted on 07/10/2006 10:05:23 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: kellynla
What is REALLY scary is how little percentage wise of the ammo dumps munitions we have gone through.
3 posted on 07/10/2006 10:07:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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Democrats dismiss the findings. They say the munitions were found in small clusters and are 1980s vintage. In other words, Iraq produced them before the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and thus they are irrelevant to the CIA's flawed 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), on which President Bush largely based his decision to go to war to keep Iraq's WMDs from terrorists, they say.
Let's say hypothetically that we never invaded Iraq, and Saddam was still in power. These weapons would be a violation of the terms of the 1992 surrender would they not?
4 posted on 07/10/2006 10:08:37 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: jveritas; kellynla

JV translated docs specifically related to these shells. He has even more that supports the WMD claim.

2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage

2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground

Iraqi Documents: Plans To Produce Prohibited Chemical Weapons Precursors

Iraqi Document: Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device

2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon

2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories

2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors

Document: Saddam Ordered Biological And Radiation Test on Presidential Sites Attacked by US in 1998

1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT

Undated Document: Change Chemical, Nuclear, And Missiles Sites for Fear of Western Attack

2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT

September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD

1997 Document: Orders To Remove All Information Related To WMD From Computers

Summer 2002 Document: Destruction And Hiding of WMD Documents and Archives

Document Dated February/3/2003: Chemical Gears for The Chemical Group

Saddam Regime Document Dated 2001 Shows Chemical Platoon Still Exists And Active



Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections

Saddam Regime Document: Give CNN the Priority for Coverage

Saddam Regime Document: Saddam Ordered The Use of Chemical Weapons in Northern Iraq

Saddam Regime document: How To Use Coalition Dead Troops and POW’s As Propaganda Tool

November 2002 Document: Russian Company Sells Mig 29 Parts to Iraq

5 posted on 07/10/2006 10:09:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: kellynla
I believe Pres. Bush is a good man. This is why I do not understand their "downplay this" attitude. The Democrats have been beating the Admin and Congresscritters about the head and ears with this stick for YEARS.

Why can't we just get the truth out of our Govt. for ONCE....
End rant.. thank you very much!

7 posted on 07/10/2006 10:19:51 AM PDT by Winston Smith
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To: kellynla
Was Saddam supposed to have anything thing remotely to WMD whether it was before 1991 or after 1991?

The answer is NO.

Was he supposed to reveal to the UN inspectors everything he had regarding WMD not matter how small the quantity was?


Are 500 shells containing Chemicals Weapons considered a large number of WMD?


Is the Mustard gas in these shells lethal?

Absolutely. In fact the UN reports in March 2003 clearly states that the quality of mustard gas is so good that it keep its efficiency even after more than 12 years of storage, please see this link posted few weeks on this subject.

2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage

8 posted on 07/10/2006 10:22:10 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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Those weapons violate UNSCR 687!

9 posted on 07/10/2006 10:24:02 AM PDT by avacado
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Ya know, if there weren't any WMD then why was the UN wasting all that time and money sending folks over to check on it?

10 posted on 07/10/2006 10:25:00 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: kellynla

They've been playing this game all along.

During the invasion, several times we came across nerve agent stockpiled at military ammo dumps, as well as a nerve agent production facility operated by the Iraqi military.

In each case, within a day or two, it would be announced that no, these were just agricultural pesticides, "bug spray", in other words. They made the WMD disappear by redefining it out of existence. If you spray chemicals on your crops to kill bugs, its ag pesticide. If you spray it on Iranians, its nerve agent. In fact, the Iraqis used to call the stuff they sprayed on the Iranians just that, "bug spray".

If the plant is operated by the army, if the poisons are stored in a military ammo dump, think about it, they are not intended for crops.

So all this time, we've been wondering where the WMD went, when all along we had found them and merely defined them out of existence.

What I always wanted to know was "who" decided they were not WMD, and why has the administration let it go.

Now we are finding chemical artillery shells, and these are being discounted in the same way the poison stockpiles were discounted.

And its a big desert out there. There is more to be found, and this doesn't begin to include what was moved to Syria.

11 posted on 07/10/2006 10:25:49 AM PDT by marron
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"The Democrats are getting support from the administration.

It should say "some figures in the administration." There are some bureaucrats in Intelligence, including Negroponte who doesn't want to roil the waters in the CIA, and some holdovers in the Defense Department, who obviously don't want this information to be released. However, Donald Rumsfeld very publicly acknowledged the existence of these weapons and said they were very dangerous.

12 posted on 07/10/2006 10:26:02 AM PDT by Hartmann
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13 posted on 07/10/2006 10:28:25 AM PDT by attackcartoons
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“So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

14 posted on 07/10/2006 10:40:00 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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With regard to Iraq, WMDs and the Bush administration, a greater disconnect exists between knowledge and action, than what is contained in the issue presented by the old 500 WMD shells. That greater issue is information the administration has been given concerning sites in Iraq where new WMDs were buried in 2002-early 2003, cement covered their graves and lakes flooded on top of the cement - yet these suspected sites have not been investigated to date.

The GOP House representatives who want to authenticate the 500 old WMD shells, as part of the valid claim of pre-war WMDs in Iraq, should be hosting a joint news conference to report on and demand the administration investigate the sites of buried WMDs the administration has been told about that it refuses to look into.

The administration's blindness, deafness or sense of not-caring about this issue has made me conclude that the permanent government, under GWB, even with a Rumsfield at DOD, can insulate itself from alot of sins, unless a citizenry that is better informed than the President is by that permanent government, can force the President's attention through our elected representatives lifting these issues up in public.

Yes, I said "better informed than the President", because GWB's personal habits (1)defer extensively to his subordinates within his general position on something (does not want to look at details), (2)does not read or explore much for any information outside of what is presented to him by his own official channels (hates to read), (3)even prefers that alot of information that is written for him be presented to him in oral briefings. A perfect mechanism for the permanent government to hide alot of sins from a President, while seeming to be carrying out official policy; because it has, it keeps, it hides many of the inconvenient details from a President that generally does not want and does not inquire about details.

15 posted on 07/10/2006 10:51:08 AM PDT by Wuli
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The top wacko liberals were for going after Iraq for wmd when they were in power. Now they are out of power and the wmd's have disappeared. PBS had a special on wmd's, UN documented wmd's and our troops ID ed wmd's but the demorats are trying a disappearing act to con us. Do we want anything to do with them?
17 posted on 07/10/2006 11:07:21 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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Hard evidence Saddam’s WMDs were removed from Iraq: the CW plot against Jordan

On April 13, 2004, Jordanian security forces foiled an al-Qaeda plot against the nation’s intelligence agency. The plot, reported on April 26 by Agence France-Presse (AFP), involved a plan to use trucks packed with 20 tons of chemical explosives, including blistering agents, nerve gas and choking agents. Jordanian officials estimated that had the attack been successful, the amount of chemicals involved had the potential of killing up to 80,000 people.

Six members of the terror network which planned to execute the plot were arrested and four others were killed in a series of raids in Jordan which concluded on April 20. The ringleader of the terror network was a Jordanian, Azmi al-Jayussi. Jayussi had been recruited for the operation in Iraq by al-Qaeda leader Abu Massab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi was identified by Jordanian officials as the mastermind of chemical weapons plot.

According to a Jordanian security official interviewed by AFP, “Jayussi started to plan for the operation in Iraq where he had moved to from Afghanistan. He received direct orders from his leader, Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, to whom Jayussi had pledged allegiance and absolute obedience since he met him in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan.”

In a taped statement, Jayussi related how his first encounter with Zarqawi had been in Herat, Afghanistan, and how he later connected up with him again in Saddam’s Iraq. He stated that it was Zarqawi who had trained him in the use of “explosives and strong poisons.” Excerpts of Jayussi’s taped statement, which were aired on ABC’s “Nightline” on April 26, 2004, revealed that the planning and training for the WMD plot took place in Iraq more than a year before the US-led coalition invasion.

In Iraq, Zarqawi introduced Jayussi to another of his Jordanian followers, Muwafaq Adwan. Muwafaq was killed in a shootout with Jordanian police in Amman on April 20. Jayussi told Jordanian security officials that Zarqawi had ordered Muwafaq and him to Jordan where “[o]ur mission was to instigate military work” in the country.

In Jordan, Jayussi was aided by several Syrians under Zarqawi’s direction. The aim of their operation was to attack Jordan and its ruling family as part of a “war against crusaders and infidels.”

Anti-terror experts said that the network’s 20 tons of explosives would have caused “two explosions: a traditional one and a chemical in an area of two square kilometers.”

“The chemical explosion would lead to the emission of poisonous chemical gasses which would have caused physical deformities and direct injuries to the lungs and eyesight,” said one of the experts on a Jordanian news program. “Outside this circle, the human loss would amount to around 80,000 people dead and 160,000 injured.”

To fund the operation, Jayussi said that he received the equivalent of $170,000 (US) in installments from Zarqawi, sent through messengers, most of them from Syria.

Another arrested suspect, Ahmed Samir, told Jordanian security that he had been trained in Iraq by a Zarqawi aide and worked on explosives for two months in a factory in Ramtha, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.

(Comment: News of this foiled plot should have provided conclusive proof that what President Bush feared, and which justified the effort to take Saddam down, was real – that Saddam allowed the operation of terrorist groups, especially al-Qaeda, within Iraq, and that terrorists trained in Iraq and supplied with a significant quality of WMD materials from Iraq, could have international reach. News of this foiled terrorist plot to use WMDs in a spectacular attack in Jordan received scant attention in the US media. While ABC’s “Nightline” carried the story, and similar stories appeared in articles published in the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal, the American news media did not give this news the significant level of attention it deserved. The news media’s mantra is that the failure to find stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq is a scandal that rests on the head of George W. Bush. “Bush lied!” The real scandal here is the failure or refusal of the American news media to report and pursue events which give credence and justification to President Bush’s policies in Iraq.)

18 posted on 07/10/2006 11:08:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't shells and canisters filled with deadly chemicals, even if somewhat old or "degraded", wmds? I'm sure all the naysayers of the wmd discoveries are willing to be subjected to a simple test: we will lock them in a room, and release a few of these "harmless" chem containers into the room. Think they'll go for that idea? Yeah, right (derisive snort).

22 posted on 07/10/2006 4:25:38 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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