Skip to comments.Why is LBJ's name NEVER mentioned by liberals?
Posted on 07/11/2006 6:14:32 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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Johnson lied, soldiers died.....
Vietnam was most properly Kennedy's war although we'd been creeping up on it since Truman. Eisenhower was wise enough to plan for contingencies but keep our role to belated support to the French.
Johnson's blunders were in ramping up much faster than would have happened otherwise, in believing that he'd get the same party support his former boss had enjoyed, in believing that the administration had been widely popular & that it would continue if he waived JFKs banner, and in being much more suited to local politics than world affairs.
More than 'why do liberals ignore Johnson'....why do we let them ignore kennedy's being an old school, elitist more than liberal, hawk?
It was apparently necessary to sacrifice LBJ so that John Boy could remain as their slain icon. Once Nixon gained office the left sort of pulled a curtain over johnson's years and went full press after a more comfortable target.
They got away with both and we are still hearing odes to JFK and his illegitimate political offspring WJC.
I think the answer is simple. Because the LBJ presidency was a "failed" presidency. LBJ tucked his tail between his leg and declined to run in 1968 because of VN. BTW the Carter presidency was a "failed" presidency as well, after the Desert One fiasco, the misery index, etc. etc. You don't see libs talking up the Carter years either.
In the libs minds, the clinton presidency was a "banner success". Of course we all know that was an illusion, but they dont' see it that way. Same with JFK.
It's all about wanting to associate onself with a "winner".
Nothing more complicated than that.
As bad as Carter and Clinton were, LBJ by far did the most damage to this country in the long run. At least Carter's mistakes were mostly corrected by Reagan.
Let's not forget that it was the Kennedy administraion that got us militarily involved in Vietnam. Also, the CIA under the Kennedy administration assassinated South Vietnam's premier because he was not "someone we can work with." Johnson escalated the Vietnam War by lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.
This begs the question "what was citizen Nixon supposed to do about it". Since Nixon was no longer an elected official when JFK was killed, what was he supposed to do? Liberals... just plain stupid.
If JFK were in today's Democratic Party, they would run him out just like they are with Lieberman.
>>I have a "progressive" friend that truly believes that Nixon started the war.
Superimpose some Presidential terms on this data:
Perhaps because the initials BJ stir memories of a more recent White House inhabitant?
Who's the arrow pointing to in that picture?
You got to remember that the parties then are different than the parties now. In reality there were really 3 parties back then, the northern democrats, the southern democrats, and the repubs. You could easily argue that there were 4, i.e. the liberal white shoe northeeastern repubs i.e. Nelson Rockefeller, John Lindsay etc. and the other repubs i.e. Barry Goldwater. Richard Russell of Georgia and Hubert Humphrey were members of the same party in name only :)
Anyway when JFK was probably blackmailed at the LA convention to put LBJ on the ticket and throw Symington overboard, it was if someone from another party was on the ticket. The Kennedy clan *hated* Johnson and marginalized him to the point that in 61, 62 it became a running joke. They would send him to BF Egypt for some assistant deputy minister's wife's cousin's funeral just to keep him away from the corridors of power. Also most folks think that in November of '63 the announcemnet that LBJ was going to be removed from the ticket was coming soon. Technically they were in the same party but by today's standards they weren't.
Kennedy and Johnson had no love for each other. One theory I've heard is that Kennedy offered Johnson the VP position believing LBJ would turn it down, and Lyndon accepted believing Kennedy would lose, and he would still have his powerful Senate job. In 1960 the Democrat-controlled Texas legislature put a bill through allowing him to run for Senate and VP on the same ballot. Back then, ballots were marked by scratching off the undesirable candidates (a system that really gave me a lot of satisfaction). The saying went around "don't be half-safe; scratch Lyndon twice!"
I disagree. Islamofascism is the problem it is today because Carter refused to help the Shah of Iran who was by far our most loyal ally in the region (possibly more loyal than Israel) and then he backed down to the jihadists who invaded sovereign American property and held Americans hostage. Sadly, one of Reagan's few mistakes is that he didn't fix this.
Same reason we don't often mention Nixon.
Huh? I didn't know LBJ got run out of office in a scandal.
Yep. Truman should have told the French to pound sand, on the issue of getting their colony back. But we were trying to get the French to embrace NATO to protect Western Europe from the very real menace of the Soviet Empire, and doing the right thing fell to political expediency.
Because he was a collosal embarassment.
Fear of the underlying truths.
Well I should finish my thought before I post. I was saying it was because he was a collosal embarassment. He was a patriotic American that doesn't fit the current RAT mold.
He was a patriotic American....
With all due respect and no offense intended - do you really mean this? LBJ never gave a rats rear end for anyone or anything other than himself.
I've been saying for a while that LBJ is the worst domestic policy President of my lifetime, with Carter being the worst foreign policy President.
OK, I'll buy that.
Vietnam was the right war, fought the wrong way.
LBJ could hardly speak 5 words in a row without one of them being "f@@k" or "mother f@@cker".
Whenever he made a televised speech, his aides would be cringing in the background hoping that he didn't let an expletive slip out.
Congressman Albert Thomas
Exactly. Both militarily, and politically.
There is no doubt to me that Vietnam was a huge war of economic attrition in the 70 Years War against the Soviets, one that they couldn't afford. The Soviets spent huge amounts of treasure propping up Uncle Ho, and the costs to them help set things up for Reagan in the 80s.
There you go. Plus, even LBJ was an awful president, he was still a patriot as far as I could tell.
You got it. The inconvenient fact that he pulled the troops out of Vietnam is ignored. That he didn't pull them out immediately was held to be awful his opponents wanted an immidate take-over of South Viet Nam by the North. The majority of the casualties that we took in Nam occured before Nixon took office, but you would never know that.
I think Carter's domestic policy was pretty bad. Consider this, under Carter we had high taxes, high unemployment, multiple recessions, high interest rates, sky-high inflation, and the stock market lost value during his administration. The irony is that based on normal economic models, the economy during the Peanut Farmer years isn't even possible (high unemployment, high inflation and high interest rates shouldn't coexist, they should start cancelling each other out).
I spent all of 1970 in Cam Rahn Bay, RVN. The most common rumor at the time was that the three biggest civilian contracting companies were owned by Lady Bird Johnson. The companies were Pacific Architects & Engineers, CN&T (a stevedoring firm) and Alaskan Barge & Transport.
It was also common knowledge during this time period that LBJ entered politics at a young age as a poor man but died a rich man while never holding a job in private sector. My opinion is that he got rich on the blood of my fellow vets.
As an aside; I was stationed at NAF Washington (Andrews Air Force Base) upon my return to the states, and was there when LBJ died. As he was a former Navy man, I was one of those initially selected for an all Navy poll bearer group for him. At first I vigorously objected to this assignment due to my extreme dislike for him, but on reflection I acquiesced thinking that at least it would put me first in line to piss on his grave. I got a reprieve at the last minute when they decided on a last minute multi-service group of poll bearers.
I wouldn't argue that for a second. But the vastly expanded social welfare system produced by LBJ's Great Society programs has been much costlier over the long haul. Most, if not all, of Carter's domestic policay damage was repaired over Reagan's terms. LBJ's is the gift that keeps on giving, even today.
...and then there's The Bird's "Beautification Project."
Sad to say that some are doing exactly that. The Clinton years are too close to the present for comfort and the presence of Hillary on the political stage keeps Clinton nostalgia to a minimum (so far).
We had a recent post from one of those dangerously-uninformed-idealistic student editorial writers who thought that Carter was a fantastic president and that we need another one (perish the thought).
That is the truth!
It is a very revealing picture of LBJ's personality. McClellan worked as a lawyer for a company which LBJ did his business exclusively. He should have known him well.
LBJ got rich because he was the bagman for the oil companies. His success as Senate leader had less to do with his personal persuavive powers than his ability to fund--or not fund-- his fellow senators re-election campaigns. He thought that the access to this money would give him the Democratic nomination in 1960, but he didn't count on Joe Kennedy's willingness to spend his fortune to elect Jack.
Johnson was a terrible human being. His long time lawyer Barr McClellan has written a book: BLOOD, HONOR, MONEY, AND POLITICS, HOW LBJ KILLED JFK. This was his PERSONAL attorney of thirty years!.
In it he tells how his boss Ed Clark, another close friend and financial advisor to Johnson was put in charge or organizing the JFK assassination.
This book is a bombshell. Never heard of it have you? THAT'S BECAUSE THE MSM HAS BOYCOTTED IT.
Cronkite, Rather, Huntley, Binkley, Smith, Reasoner, long-time US media types COVEREDUP the murder of the President of the United States and the major networks will not cover this.
I don't think Carter had much to do with it, re: Afghanistan. And Reagan much less than I once thought.
I highly recommend Charlie Wilson's War, on the subject.
Actually, we can go back to Woodrow Wilson for Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh tried to speak with Wilson at the peace negotiations for World War I. Ho Chi Minh was a fan of the west at that time, and wanted to get Wilson's help to get France out of Vietnam, then French Indochina. Wilson not only refused to speak with him, but insulted him as well. Ho Chi Minh sought help from the Communists instead.
Vietnam War = Abandoning SE Asia to 30 years of communist horror, 20 million people slaughtered by the commies, and a present of poverty, illiteracy, desease, and all the rest of communism's blessings
What did he say? "I refuse to speak to someone who smells like goats?"
I'm not much on conspiracies. A good case can be made that Stanton was aware of the plot to decapitate the federal Government in 1865, with Stanton making himself dictator. It might have worked if the assassin who was supposed to kill Johnson had not lost his nerve. Another assassin came within a hair of killing the secretary of State who was third in line. The Treasury secretary, who was next in line, could never have stood up to Stanton.
Even John Kerry believed that Nixon was President in 1968.
It's Viet Nam.
I remember wondering back at Christmastime '68, why did President Nixon ever get us into this crazy war? It's seared into my brain.
"NASS President and Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed nominated Johnson for the award and expressed his admiration for the former presidents political courage."Sam Reed is WA states RINO (he might as well be a Democrat) Secretary of State.
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