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National Council of Churches Pres.: Jesus Never said Anything About Homosexuality or Abortion
LifeSiteNews ^ | 13 July 2006 | Gudrun Schultz

Posted on 07/12/2006 10:43:24 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 12, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Forget about traditional morality—Christianity should focus on eradicating poverty, protecting the environment and ending the war in Iraq, according to the general secretary of the National Council of Churches, Dr. Bob Edgar.

“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News at a recent gathering of liberal Christian leaders in Washington.

The gathering was the latest effort by the “religious left” to gain back some of the political power the group enjoyed during the 60’s and early 70’s. 30 years ago liberal religious leaders used their political influence to lead demonstrations against social injustices such as civil rights abuses and the Vietnam War. Once those issues left the spotlight, liberal Christianity lost focus and faded to the background.

Now, liberal Christian leaders are attempting to stage a return to power, targeting young voters and concentrating on increasing childcare funding and raising the minimum wage. The group wants to build a strong voter base to counter what it calls the “ground game” of the Christian right—the powerful voting block of traditional Christians that has significant influence on the country’s politics.

Finding a unifying message that will allow the group to achieve political clout has been a struggle, observers have said. The New York Times reported in May on an earlier meeting by liberal Christian activists in Washington, a brainstorming session concentrating on identifying the group’s goals.

During a session on ethical sexual behavior, the meeting bypassed discussion of concrete issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. Instead, Rev. Ama Zenya of First Congregational Church in Oakland, California, directed the gathering to discuss their spiritual values and “to practice fully our authentic being,” reported the Times.

The results of the gathering were disappointing, said liberal Baptist minister Rev. Tony Campolo, who once acted as spiritual adviser to President Bill Clinton, and attended the conference.

“We didn’t get on the same page with everyone, and it is about getting on the same page. The thing about the left is that they want everybody to feel good.”

Dr. Edgar, who has been general secretary of the NCC since 2000, was applauded by homosexual activist organizations shortly after his election for withdrawing his signature from an ecumenical statement in defence of traditional marriage, “A Christian Declaration on Marriage.”

Dr. Edgar also apologized to members of the homosexual community for originally endorsing the document, which was co-signed by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Southern Baptist Convention, and the National Association of Evangelicals.


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These faux Christians disgust me!
1 posted on 07/12/2006 10:43:35 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher; Salvation; Coleus; NYer; SoothingDave; cyborg; onyx; fortunecookie; ...

Simply breathtaking...


2 posted on 07/12/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News at a recent gathering of liberal Christian leaders in Washington.

Never said one word about ending the war in Iraq, either, but that doesn't seem to be stopping you from speaking for His intentions.

3 posted on 07/12/2006 10:46:25 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Aussie Dasher

Romans is pretty clear about homosexuality.


4 posted on 07/12/2006 10:48:01 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Aussie Dasher

He didn't have to. It was already in The Law...........


5 posted on 07/12/2006 10:48:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Darkwolf377

The Bible doesn't record Him ever saying anything about kidnapping either, so I guess that is okay too.


These idiots need to learn that arguments from silence are invalid. They also need to figure out the concept of "the whole counsel of God."


6 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:04 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Aussie Dasher

He can save that for the judgement... I would love to see how that goes over with the almighty.


7 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:23 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: Aussie Dasher



"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.

For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power.

Avoid such people."

- Paul


8 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:23 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Darkwolf377
He never said anything about protecting the environment, either. And He said that eradicating poverty is impossible.

Dr. Edgar needs to read the Bible again ... he seems a bit unclear on the concept.

9 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Jesus said he did not come to judge people but that he did come to save them .... or to prepare them for their alternative, which is God's judgement.

And the Bible shows that God has said quite a bit about sodomy, and the sanctity of pre born life..


10 posted on 07/12/2006 10:49:49 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think He said something about not having come to condemn the scriptures (Old Testament) but to fulfill them.

The Lord was QUITE clear about what He thought of sexual perversions, especially homosexuality in the Old Testament.


11 posted on 07/12/2006 10:50:15 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

They brought up this argument when the Episcopalians were about to ordain Eugene Robinson as bishop. Problem is, no one ever noted that Jesus had indeed spoken very forcefully against divorce (3 times in Matthew alone)--and Robinson had divorced his wife to live with his new partner.


12 posted on 07/12/2006 10:50:51 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Petronski

Matthew 19:4

4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] Gen. 1:27Ge 1:27; 5:2 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b] Gen. 2:24 ?Ge 2:24; 1Co 6:16; Eph 5:31 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." 6 Ge 5:2; 1Co 6:16; Eph 5:31


13 posted on 07/12/2006 10:50:57 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Aussie Dasher
National Council of Churches Pres.: Jesus Never said Anything About Homosexuality or Abortion

Didn't have to.

His Dad wrote the definitive lesson on that subject.

14 posted on 07/12/2006 10:50:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Cecily
"The Bible doesn't record Him ever saying anything about kidnapping either,"

Or gun control!

Or nuclear disarmament!

etc...
15 posted on 07/12/2006 10:51:21 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: N. Theknow

Make that subject(s).


16 posted on 07/12/2006 10:51:37 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Aussie Dasher

Commies of the cloth.


17 posted on 07/12/2006 10:51:39 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Two words.

Parallel. Universe.

Thank God I'm on the right one!


18 posted on 07/12/2006 10:52:08 AM PDT by bowlalpo (Impeach Bush? If he doesn't go after the New York Times for their treason, he SHOULD be impeached!)
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To: Brilliant

"Romans is pretty clear about homosexuality."

Romans:1

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I guess Paul was talking for himself (about them!)


19 posted on 07/12/2006 10:52:26 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I'm not a Christian, but I do have a question. Which old laws not longer applied after Christ and which ones still do? Any resources on this? I've always been curious about this aspect of Christianity.


20 posted on 07/12/2006 10:52:33 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: All

Lead up to the abomination of desolation.


21 posted on 07/12/2006 10:52:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The next thing we'll hear liberals announce is Jesus said nothing about God either.

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

22 posted on 07/12/2006 10:52:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: N. Theknow

Matthew 18

1 The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven
1 18:1-5pp — Mk 9:33-37; Lk 9:46-48

1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children,Mt 19:14; 1Pe 2:2 you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.S Mt 3:2 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.S Mk 9:35 4 Mt 19:14; 1Pe 2:2

5 "And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.Mt 10:40 6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,S Mt 5:29 it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.Mk 9:42Lk 17:2 6 Mk 9:33-37; Lk 9:46-48; 17:2

Can I have this fool at the National Council of Chruches job? Or someone at least send the dolt a Bible, pronto.


23 posted on 07/12/2006 10:53:25 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Aussie Dasher

My God, have they gone that far?


24 posted on 07/12/2006 10:54:03 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"He never said anything about protecting the environment, either"

That is only because he didn't like to brag. Jesus did his part in protecting the environment by driving a Honda. But he didn't like to talk about it:

"For I did not speak of my own Accord…" - John 12:49


25 posted on 07/12/2006 10:54:08 AM PDT by JusticeForAll76
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To: Aussie Dasher
National Council of Churches

The Supreme Soviet of the former Soviet Union was to the right of this bunch.

If those NCC people are Christians, then I'm a Martian.

26 posted on 07/12/2006 10:54:51 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: Aussie Dasher
This sort of dishonesty is typical.

First, no one can say definitely that Jesus never spoke on a specific topic, they can only say that no record of such an utterance exists.

Second, in the New Testament Jesus insisted on standards of sexual behavior that preclude homosexuality and which he specifically characterizes as more stringent than the behavioral requirements of the Torah - and we know exactly what the Torah has to say about homosexuality.

Third, Jesus specifically declares in the New Testament that marriage is between one man and woman.

Fourth, Jesus specifically enjoins treatment of children that precludes abortion.

Fifth, the New Testament makes the illicitness of sodomy and the nature of marriage quite explicit.

27 posted on 07/12/2006 10:55:10 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Aussie Dasher

ACLU, where are you guys complaining about separation of church & state?


28 posted on 07/12/2006 10:55:37 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Mazda3Fan

The portions of the Law specifically identified and explained in thge New Testament, particularly Romans, Galatians and Hebrews.

For example, Hebrews states that we no longer sacrifice lambs, etc as a covering for sin, because Jesus was sacrificed once and for all.

Every part of the Law which no longer binds us as Christians is addressed as such.


29 posted on 07/12/2006 10:55:53 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Oh agreed. And they shame the gospel.
I have been looking throughout the NT and cannot find where Jesus talks about global warming or eliminating poverty or same sex marriage. Perhaps it is in code. Was the Sermon on the Mount really about post modern western secular morals and values? No doubt. That must be it.


30 posted on 07/12/2006 10:57:24 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Cecily; ArrogantBustard
It just amazes me how someone can rise so high in an organization such as this and be completely clueless about such obvious facets of his religion. Jesus "doesn't say one word" about an infinite number of things--so what? He didn't say I couldn't go on a shooting spree, so I guess I can; he didn't specifically say Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin couldn't kill millions, so I guess they're sitting comfortably in Heaven right now.

I mean, this is grade school-level logic, and he's so hot to say that statement on C!B!S! National TV!!! that he doesn't even think for three seconds about its complete worthlessness.

31 posted on 07/12/2006 10:57:26 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Mazda3Fan

I am being very serious in this response:

Nobody knows the true answer to your question. This is why Christians are charged to search the scriptures and learn for themselves how they are to live. It is also why there are so many denominations and libraries full of books arguing 8 million sides of the issue.


32 posted on 07/12/2006 10:57:31 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: Mazda3Fan
Which old laws not longer applied after Christ and which ones still do?

Each denomination has a different answer.

As a general rule, dietary rules and ceremonial practices proscribed in the Old Testament are not followed by most Christians.

33 posted on 07/12/2006 10:57:42 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: Aussie Dasher
Making a strawman out of "silence" displays an arrogant defiance of the understanding of Jesus' teachings in relation to the rest of the word of God. Disgusting.
34 posted on 07/12/2006 10:57:58 AM PDT by Godzilla (Evil can be defeated when the good are unafraid.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Jesus said "OBEY THE LAWS" what else is there to say?

The laws are really specific if one reads the books and laws he was talking about. Those laws were given to man by G-d. And we were told to follow them or suffer the consequences. And I am not talking about the laws that have been altered by someone’s translation like "Thou Shalt Not Kill” which was never a law. The law was "Thou shalt not commit Murder” Some of these so-called Christians need to read the laws as passed from G-d to the prophets and to Moses.


35 posted on 07/12/2006 10:58:19 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Brilliant
The liberal Christians would point out that Romans was not written by Jesus or can you attribute a direct quotation in Romans to Jesus regarding homosexuality.

Granted it is a very myopic argument, but no the less, that is what they would point out.
36 posted on 07/12/2006 10:58:37 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: redgolum
Don't mention the "G" word - don't worry, the next edition of the Bible will have the Father with all those strict parent thou and shalt nots expunged. George Lackoff approved.

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

37 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Aussie Dasher
“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News at a recent gathering of liberal Christian leaders in Washington.

The woman at the well was guilty of adultery, which violated civil and sacred marraige, and Christ told her she was wrong, and to "go and sin no more." And "Thou Shalt Not Murder" seems pretty straightforward to me.

38 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:13 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Mazda3Fan

All of God's laws still apply, God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

What does not apply is Jewish ceremonial law, animal sacrificies, etc. The purpose of those laws was to point towards Jesus as the Messiah. Once that was done, their purpose was fullfilled and they no longer apply.


39 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:34 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: All
"Jesus never said one word about ... abortion,”



"And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven...

Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, ...

See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven...

So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Matt 18
40 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:43 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Aussie Dasher
Foo on Closing Codes!

“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News at a recent gathering of liberal Christian leaders in Washington.

The woman at the well was guilty of adultery, which violated civil and sacred marraige, and Christ told her she was wrong, and to "go and sin no more." And "Thou Shalt Not Murder" seems pretty straightforward to me.

41 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:49 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Skooz

I disagree.

Jesus would never approve of the marriage laws of the OT.


42 posted on 07/12/2006 10:59:53 AM PDT by JusticeForAll76
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To: Aussie Dasher
“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News at a recent gathering of liberal Christian leaders in Washington.

I seem to remember something about Jesus strongly recommending that one not harm children.

Abortion kills the youngest and most innocent of children.

43 posted on 07/12/2006 11:00:28 AM PDT by RJL
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To: JusticeForAll76

Those laws are addressed in the New Testament. I Timothy, I believe.

The only OT laws we are not obligated to obey are those addressed in the NT, with an explanation.


44 posted on 07/12/2006 11:01:47 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Mazda3Fan

"Which old laws not longer applied after Christ and which ones still do? Any resources on this?"

Cerimonial laws do not apply. Moral laws do.

You may not have to wash your hands five times, but it's never ok to lie.


45 posted on 07/12/2006 11:01:56 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, written by Paul. But if we're going to look only at the writings of Christ, then there are none at all. I assume that the NCC is not proposing to throw Romans out of the Bible, but then that might be a big assumption.


46 posted on 07/12/2006 11:01:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: RJL
Dr. Edgars is correct - liberalism and Christianity are incompatible and when there is a conflict between the two, the liberal sacrament prevails.

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

47 posted on 07/12/2006 11:02:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: JusticeForAll76

Please explain your point about Jesus not approving of the OT marriage laws.


48 posted on 07/12/2006 11:03:34 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Mazda3Fan
Which old laws not longer applied after Christ and which ones still do?

The Torah laws applied to various groups depending on the specific law - some applied to all mankind, some applied only to Israelites, some applied only to Levites, some applied only to male Levites, some only applied to Levites serving as Temple priests and some applied only to the High Priest.

Certain of those laws were contingent on circumstances - the existence of the Temple in Jerusalem, for example - and some are clearly not bound by any timeframe, any set of circumstances or any specific etnnic background or social role.

Those Torah laws which apply to all men for all time were never changed, altered or abolished, nor could they be.

Those universally applicable laws include those regarding the treatment of one's own body, the treatment of one's fellow human beings and the necessity of honoring God.

49 posted on 07/12/2006 11:03:42 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: taxcontrol

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels [c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Deuteronomy 22:28


50 posted on 07/12/2006 11:04:57 AM PDT by JusticeForAll76
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