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No scientific basis for 'born gay' theory. (DUH!)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 07/08/2006 | David Clarke Pruden

Posted on 07/12/2006 2:07:22 PM PDT by carlo3b

No scientific basis for 'born gay' theory
By David Clarke Pruden

Although the simple "born gay" theory has faded from the science scene, activists continue to misrepresent scientific findings. When you assert that individuals are born gay and cannot change, people naturally jump to the conclusion that same-sex marriage is the only rational choice for same-sex attracted individuals.

   However, the innate-immutable theory of homosexuality has no basis in science. The simplistic biological theory has been dismissed by all of the researchers whose studies have been cited to support the notion that homosexuality is so deeply compelled by biology that it cannot change.

   Let's examine the words of just one of those often incorrectly cited as providing evidence for a "gay gene." Simon LeVay notes, "It is important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men were born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."

   A new research study by a University of Illinois team, which has screened the entire human genome, reported that there is no one gay gene. Writing in the journal Human Genetics, lead researcher Dr. Brian Mustanski noted that environmental factors were also likely to be involved.

   Of the innate-immutable argument, Dr. Richard C. Friedman and Dr. Jennifer Downey, noted, "At clinical conferences one often hears . . . that homosexual orientation is fixed and unmodifiable. Neither assertion is true . . . The assertion that homosexuality is genetic is so reductionistic that it must be dismissed out of hand as a general principle of psychology."

   And the fluidity of homosexual attractions is well-established. Dr. Ellen Schecter of the Fielding Institute studied women who had self-identified as lesbian for more than 10 years and who after age 30 were now in intimate relationships with men lasting a year or longer.

   Even more prominent was the research by Robert Spitzer, the very psychiatrist who led the charge to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual. His study of 200 gay men and lesbian women who had undergone re-orientation therapy concluded: 44 percent of the women and 66 percent of the men had arrived at what he called "good heterosexual functioning" and 89 percent of the men and 95 percent of the women reported that they were bothered slightly or not at all by unwanted homosexual feelings.

   Mainstream gay-affirming publications like The Advocate are changing their terminology to embrace the concept of fluid sexual attractions. Matt Foreman, of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, summarizes what the gay movement has done.

   "We as a movement can take pride that we opened the door for young people to be much more fluid about sexuality, gender, gender roles, orientation and sexual behavior than any other generation in history. That's what the gay movement has contributed to society, and that's a tremendously good thing."

   But is it? If the innate-immutable theory of homosexuality has no basis in science then why do so many activists still insist that individuals are born gay and cannot change? LeVay provided the answer. He notes " . . . people who think that gays and lesbians are born that way are more likely to support gay rights."

   This is not to say that anyone chooses homosexual attractions nor do most of us choose many of the other challenges we face in life, but we do choose how we respond.
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   David Clarke Pruden is the executive director of Evergreen International, a nonprofit Latter-Day Saint organization that provides resources and educational services for same-sex attracted members.



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1 posted on 07/12/2006 2:07:29 PM PDT by carlo3b
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To: carlo3b
Well I guess this is finally put to rest.. (eyes rolling) :)
2 posted on 07/12/2006 2:09:27 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: carlo3b

While I agree that there isn't a gay gene. I wonder what causes people to be sexually attracted to the same sex? My brother in law tells me that he's never had any feelings of sexual attraction to women but has to men since he was in middle school. I'm sure more psychological study of this phenomena will reveal more as time goes on.


3 posted on 07/12/2006 2:10:37 PM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: carlo3b

I know people who were born gay, as in Helen Keller would know they are gay. Maybe science can't prove this but I believe some people are just born gay.


4 posted on 07/12/2006 2:16:23 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: Mazda3Fan

Agreed. There clearly isn't a gay gene -- if there were, evolution would have weeded it out -- but to call homosexuality a choice is to miss the point as well. It's certainly a pervision, and I believe it's wrong. But that doesn't mean someone woke up one day and decided to be attracted to men. Something happened in their lives to cause them to be confused about their sexual identity. We won't make any headway by telling gays simply to choose differently; we have to adjust the cultural circumstances that make such confusion commonplace.


5 posted on 07/12/2006 2:16:28 PM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: carlo3b

I can't think of one good reason why one man would choose to wake up in the morning with his arms wrapped around another man. (all dumb jokes aside)


6 posted on 07/12/2006 2:16:35 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: carlo3b

That sure is a DUH ALERT!

Could someone send this to Bush and other gay sympathizers? Oh yeah, Bush is against "gay marriage" but loves to hire them to do jobs NORMAL people are groveling around to do.


7 posted on 07/12/2006 2:17:20 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: jackieaxe

Absolutely no proof of this. Twin studies actually show that there is no Gay gene.


8 posted on 07/12/2006 2:17:29 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: jackieaxe

"Maybe science can't prove this but I believe some people are just born gay."

That statement alone proves it to be untrue.


9 posted on 07/12/2006 2:18:15 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: carlo3b

God allows all sorts of mysteries and challenges to unfold before our eyes. Its how we deal with those mysteries and challenges that is what He is looking at. Gay Pride, somehow, doesn't strike me as the correct response to the challenge of misorientated sexual preference.


10 posted on 07/12/2006 2:18:40 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Mazda3Fan
I'm sure more psychological study of this phenomena will reveal more as time goes on.

Except that it's been removed as a class of "mental illness" so it is no longer being studied except on a genetic level.

11 posted on 07/12/2006 2:21:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: carlo3b

Yes, we are all born the same and then during life we choose what we want to be. White-black, conservative-liberal, male-female, gay-straight.


12 posted on 07/12/2006 2:22:19 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Mazda3Fan
I have for as long as I could remember, been attracted to sky diving.. My better judgment intercedes whenever I ponder too long on the consequences. I seldom allowed myself to obsess with the thought that it might be a great idea to jump out of too many planes..

We were all born with the ability to think and choose, my parents and adult support groups always furnished me with enough information to make sound judgments about dangerous behaviors.. The gay lifestyle is generally far more dangerous than parachuting..

Parents never let your child ponder on this subject without your sound warning against homosexuality..

13 posted on 07/12/2006 2:23:15 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: Mazda3Fan

More psychological study won't help.The Psychologists have already decided that they don't want to hurt the feelings of gay people by labeling them as anything worse than a 'variation on normal'. I believe that men are born gay but I believe that it is a personality disorder. I also think that some men have a woman induced trauma (bad break-up or divorce, etc.)and decide that another man might not hurt them as easily. Pure speculation. I'm not in the field of Psychology.


14 posted on 07/12/2006 2:23:24 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: carlo3b

As a born-again, heterosexual married to the same woman for 37 years next month, I have a question.

Having been active in church for many years, I have found myself in situations where I have had to counsel homosexual men. What do you say when they sit there, with tears rolling down their cheeks and say: "I can remember being attracted to boys since I was 5 years old." Or, when they say: "I did not choose to be this way. Give me a pill to make me straight and I'll take it."

Having always been taught that no one is born homosexual, I've never really known how to "adequately" respond to those types of statements.

Anybody got a clue?


15 posted on 07/12/2006 2:25:03 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Yes, we are all born the same and then during life we choose what we want to be. White-black, conservative-liberal, male-female, gay-straight.

Wow. Propaganda really works for you. Bought it all. You lumped in genetics with a choice and a "not likely" quite nicely.

16 posted on 07/12/2006 2:25:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: nikos1121

I do know about the twin studies. And you're right. When one identical twin is gay, less than half the time will the second identical twin be gay.


17 posted on 07/12/2006 2:26:37 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Bigh4u2

I find it hard to believe that anyone would choose to be gay. Why would anyone choose a lifestyle which is clearly outside of the mainstream and clearly unnatural, if not for being born that way? I don't understand it but some people have different urges.


18 posted on 07/12/2006 2:27:20 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: nmh

" Oh yeah, Bush is against "gay marriage" but loves to hire them to do jobs NORMAL people are groveling around to do"

I was going to suggest Bush hires based on ability rather than who people have sex with. But the Harriet Meyers (sp?) nomination clearly blew that theme.


19 posted on 07/12/2006 2:31:52 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
When I was a kid, everyone of any notoriety was a smoker.. Avoiding cigarette smoking was harder to avoid than any bad behavior I was confronted with, but I did.. I thought it was a real sick behavior..

Pondering on my next door neighbor's son wasn't in my basket, but if it had been, I would have thought it was a sick behavior, and would have avoided the thoughts.. Get it!

20 posted on 07/12/2006 2:33:25 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: Mazda3Fan

>...he's never had any feelings of sexual attraction to women but has to men since he was in middle school<

Middle school tells me he "made his discovery" after the mid '60's. The feminist movement was in full bloom then, thus perhaps many young men simultaneously became "femalefobic." Note the girls these days are extremely aggressive, and that could turn a young fella off. :o)


21 posted on 07/12/2006 2:33:54 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: jackieaxe

"...but I believe some people are just born gay."

Yeah, and some are born with a tendency to violence, sexually attracted to kids, or a desire to rape; But we sure don't tolerate them in society, much less condone and affirm their behavior!

Saying that Homosexuality should be condoned because these people have abnormal feelings for each other that they "can't" control, is like justifying Sin because of Temptation!


22 posted on 07/12/2006 2:34:24 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: Mazda3Fan
he's never had any feelings of sexual attraction to women but has to men since he was in middle school

My understanding is that there is a normal attraction to the same sex at some point in the tween years (or it might be earlier). I heard that this was a normal progression of development and that most people pass through it. And I'm not even sure it is a real sex thing. Perhaps someone more educated in the area can explain further. Anyway, I'm thinking some people may never pass through it and with today's agenda are actually told at that age that since they have those feelings they must be gay. I think that is why they want to get to the kids at such a young age.

I also think that in the past there were effeminate boys but it wasn't automatically associated with being a homosexual. Now an effeminate boy doesn't have a chance as he is labeled quickly.

23 posted on 07/12/2006 2:38:24 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: jackieaxe
Why would anyone choose a lifestyle which is clearly outside of the mainstream and clearly unnatural, if not for being born that way?

The game plan is to make the lifestyle seem normal through TV, schools, movies, laws.. Don't kid yourself, the next generation will not find being Gay is anything but a simple choice, it will be up to their parents to set the record straight.. It is never too soon to have this conversation with your children and friends..

24 posted on 07/12/2006 2:38:43 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: no dems
Anybody got a clue?

Not really. But many people want things that will harm them. Addicts will die taking their drugs. Alcoholics will drink until their health is ruined or lives lost. They weren't born that way either. You, of all people, should know that human nature is sin. And it deeply hurts people. It's also painful to watch their hurt. My brother has left the gay lifestyle because a belief in God. Is he straight? No. He found the strenghth to love God more than himself.

25 posted on 07/12/2006 2:38:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: BackInBlack

A well reasoned response, and I agree that we need to put the political correctness aside and be open minded so we can find the cause.


26 posted on 07/12/2006 2:39:27 PM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: jackieaxe

Because it may not be a 'choice' in the normal sense.

It may be more of a physical or emotional trauma at a very early age. Even school mates 'taugnting' may make someone rebel against the 'norm'.

Such as 'Billy likes Suzie, Billy Likes Suzie!'

Billy: "No I don't. I'll show you!'

And proceeds to kiss Marty!



As you say, if 'science cannot prove it is genetic' then the only conclusion is, that is isn't!


27 posted on 07/12/2006 2:40:14 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2
taugnting = taunting
28 posted on 07/12/2006 2:42:30 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: no dems

I have a gay daughter. She was raised in church and she struggles mightily knowing that God disapproves of her lifestyle. She doesn't really believe that she was born gay, per se, but she cant recall too many instances where she has been attracted to boys. (though there has been a few) What she does have is an incredible, irrational FEAR of men. There were several circumstances that caused this that I wont go into here but I do think that it was trauma that sent her to where she is, and so does she. She hates being attracted to women, claims to me (maybe because I'm her momma) that she's a virgin and counsels her friends that it isn't "cool" or "sexy" that it is actually very difficult to be gay.
Anyways, this rambling is to explain that I truly believe that, for the very most part, some trauma, molestation or incest or ingrained distrust of the opposite sex plays a MAJOR roll in sexual identity, even if the instances cant be remembered. I might would try getting to the bottom of that if I were you.


29 posted on 07/12/2006 2:43:24 PM PDT by mpackard (The doc says "then dont do that")
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
during life we choose what we want to be. White-black, conservative-liberal, male-female, gay-straight.

WTF?

30 posted on 07/12/2006 2:43:59 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: carlo3b
On the Liberal Blogs, they are still trying to justify their search for a "I was born a jerk" gene.


31 posted on 07/12/2006 2:47:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Yeah, and some are born with a tendency to violence, sexually attracted to kids, or a desire to rape; But we sure don't tolerate them in society, much less condone and affirm their behavior!

What you describe here is true. Some people are born to be violent, desire to rape children and society should not condone this. Being born gay, or how ever you arrive at that state of desire and consorting with another consenting adult is something different from what you describe. There are victims in your statement. If it's "consenting adults", I don't see why society should condemn this.
32 posted on 07/12/2006 2:52:30 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: no dems

"... how to "adequately" respond to those types of statements.

Anybody got a clue?

I recently came upon this handout and web site that will probably help...

https://www.sbministries.org/tracts.html


33 posted on 07/12/2006 2:54:48 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: Bigh4u2
It may be more of a physical or emotional trauma at a very early age. Even school mates 'taunting' may make someone rebel against the 'norm'. Such as 'Billy likes Suzie, Billy Likes Suzie!' Billy: "No I don't. I'll show you!' And proceeds to kiss Marty!

I enjoyed reading this theory. It may account for some of the gay phenomena, but my feeling (I know sounding like a lib) is this cannot explain all gays.
34 posted on 07/12/2006 2:56:13 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: carlo3b
His study of 200 gay men and lesbian women who had undergone re-orientation therapy concluded: 44 percent of the women and 66 percent of the men had arrived at what he called "good heterosexual functioning" and 89 percent of the men and 95 percent of the women reported that they were bothered slightly or not at all by unwanted homosexual feelings.

But this is impossible! You can't stop being homosexual. I know, because they say so!

35 posted on 07/12/2006 2:56:43 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: BackInBlack
There clearly isn't a gay gene -- if there were, evolution would have weeded it out

Are you sure about that?

First of all, I'm confident there is no such gene. But, if there were, it wouldn't necessarily be eliminated by "evolution" (or survival of the fittest).

Think recessive vs. dominant, as with blue eyes vs. brown eyes. I'm no expert, but I know there are genetically-transmitted abnormalities which are so recessive that only a rare genetic combination will cause the abnormality to appear, when both seemingly-normal parents (as well as the siblings, and some or all of the grandparents, etc.) are carriers.

36 posted on 07/12/2006 2:57:08 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: carlo3b
I am a recovering alcoholic. There has been statements put forth that some people are born with an inclination to be addicted. Others say it's a learned behaviour.

It makes not one whit of difference to me. Since July 7th. 1981, I have chosen not to drink an alcoholic beverage.

It is my choice to not drink.

37 posted on 07/12/2006 2:58:21 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Yes, we are all born the same and then during life we choose what we want to be. White-black, conservative-liberal, male-female, gay-straight.

I'm a straight white male and there's nothing I can do about that. This is also my strongest argument against affirmative-action. I choose to be or have evolved into a conservative.
38 posted on 07/12/2006 3:03:31 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: jackieaxe

"but my feeling (I know sounding like a lib) is this cannot explain all gays."

And it probably doesn't. But without knowing the individual reasons why someone is 'gay' it is nothing more than conjecture, since science doesn't back the 'genetic' theory.

It may also have been a 'life style' choice based on 'example' as well.

But deviating from the norm is nothing new, and probably will get a lot worse before it gets better.


39 posted on 07/12/2006 3:03:45 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: carlo3b
Image hosted by Photobucket.com queer is a choice just like bisexuality is...
40 posted on 07/12/2006 3:04:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: jackieaxe
Being born gay, or how ever you arrive at that state of desire and consorting with another consenting adult is something different from what you describe. There are victims in your statement. If it's "consenting adults", I don't see why society should condemn this.

Let me be blunt. If this was the case, no victims, why does Glaad want to teach "fisting" in Mass schools? It's called recruiting. So who is being recruited in grade schools? Why do all the gay orgs want homosexuality taught in grade schools?

41 posted on 07/12/2006 3:04:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: carlo3b

What difference does it make? (1 vote for "this is not an important question, whichever side of it is true")


42 posted on 07/12/2006 3:05:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: no dems
Anybody got a clue?

Exodus International has a lot of information about helping people with unwanted same sex attractions.

http://www.exodus-international.org/

43 posted on 07/12/2006 3:05:54 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: no dems
Anybody got a clue?

Lack of self control.
44 posted on 07/12/2006 3:10:30 PM PDT by John Lenin (If you are looking for a mind numb robot, I'm not it)
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To: no dems
Anybody got a clue?

Sexuality is mostly between the ears. I am not sure what happens to kids that leads them to be attracted to the same sex. Many come from some form of abuse, but there are some that do not. It is a behavior that can be changed by effective use of positive and negative reinforcement. Sex is one of the most powerful positive reinforcement tools available, so it is difficult to overcome a life long exposure to the lifestyle, but can be if people understand how to use it. People's sexuality can be altered by changing what they fantasize about. Many people develop all kinds of weird fetishes through fantancies. These fetishes are not things people are born with. Sex is a powerful tool.

45 posted on 07/12/2006 3:13:27 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: originalbuckeye
"When one identical twin is gay, less than half the time will the second identical twin be gay."

52% is not less than 1/2.

46 posted on 07/12/2006 3:13:49 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: DJ MacWoW
If this was the case, no victims, why does Glaad want to teach "fisting" in Mass schools? It's called recruiting. So who is being recruited in grade schools? Why do all the gay orgs want homosexuality taught in grade schools?

I am not advocating "recruitment" or teaching fisting in schools. Also, I would not be for teaching girls how to perform oral sex on males in school either. I'm not denying there is a group out there who would like everybody to be gay and are conducting outreach programs, nor do I think these recruiting and fisting education programs should be happening, but there were gay people long before they were teaching fisting in schools. I believe for the most part people are born gay and it should not be a crime for acting on that impulse provided, of course, it's with a consenting adult. I also believe there is a time and place for acting out your sexuality, but obviously not in schools, nor highway rest areas.
47 posted on 07/12/2006 3:14:12 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: jackieaxe
From a couple of archived FR articles (2005)


Have you noticed, in the multitude of hostile reactions to the Vatican's Instruction, that what has provoked the most violent outrage is not the Church's teaching that homosexual tendencies are objectively disordered, but her conviction that they are capable of being overcome? Gays don't like the judgment that homo-erotic propensities are in need of healing, but it's the notion that healing is possible that brings out the rage, the flecks of spittle in the corners of the mouth. The secular dogma that insists homosexual orientation is innate is, for obvious reasons, a comforting one for many people, but to advance the opposite position -- and threaten to deprive them of the myth -- sparks a reaction comparable to taking a pork chop away from somebody else's Doberman.

In that connection, I was put in mind of the following passage from a 2002 CWR article by the Dutch clinical psychologist Gerard van den Aardweg, an expert in the treatment of homosexual disorders:

The traits which form the basis for biological explanations are extreme feminine identification (in males) combined with a 100 percent homosexual orientation in fantasies. But effeminacy is a learned identification. For example, Rekers and Lovaas describe a boy with such profound feminine "mannerisms, gestures, fantasies, flirtations, ... wig, nail polish, high screechy voice, slatternly, seductive eyes that it suggested irreversible neurological and biochemical determinants." After therapy, "he looked and acted like any other boy. People who viewed the videotaped recordings of him before and after treatment talk of him as 'two different boys.'" All of the boys treated for extreme femininity by Newman "became more masculine, more aggressive, discontinued feminine behaviors ... remaining masculine in puberty."

Finally, both therapy and self-therapy may completely eradicate a fully homosexual orientation and restore normal heterosexuality. That this does not happen suddenly, nor very frequently, is part due to the fact that therapy for homosexuality is still very rare, and that most homosexuals, in spite of a wish to change, at the same time cling to their sexual pleasure addiction and infantile personality, so that only relatively few really engage in a continued struggle with the old self. One of the distressing aspects of the misplaced mystification of the causes of this disorder and the emphasis on the "natural" or inborn factor is that it discourages both clients and therapists to do something about it; that way, the myth that the orientation cannot be changed becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here's a man who's talking sense. The folks who insist there is no cure are the same folks who insist there's no disease to be cured from: a scientifically dubious contention, especially where the patient has zero wish to take the medicine and his physician zero wish to prescribe it. No wonder they go ballistic when the Church declines to take part in the fraud.

And note: it's not only gays who are making noise. There's a baritone line to the chorus of anti-Catholic editorial fury contributed by heteros who are themselves addicted to unseemly sexual indulgences and who panic at the demand that they give them up. Each of us, in his own way, finds onerous what Aardweg calls the "continued struggle with the old self." But those who have given up the fight and made peace with their sins hate the cure the way demons ("Have you come to torment us before the time?" Matt 8:29) hate the exorcism


HOMOSEXUALS PREY ON CHILDREN

33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molester, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molester (19).
73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22).
Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.


THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: "The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appreciation' or 'understanding' of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing...then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won" (25).
Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans already have -- to see government and society affirm our lives" (27).
Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: "The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion" (1).
Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, "We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness" (17).

REFERENCES

(1) Advocate, 1985.
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea." Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men." New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America." Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. "Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens." J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. "AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco." Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk."
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(28) University of Chicago's Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
48 posted on 07/12/2006 3:19:24 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: no dems; scripter

I don't have time to search for more links, but check these out. Under the second link there are many categories that will give you a lot of knowledge. You can click on scripter's name and check out his comments, he's got a lot of links on this very topic. You owe it to yourself and the people you're trying to help to get really informed.

Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420619/posts

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts


49 posted on 07/12/2006 3:23:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: DBeers

One for the list? Nice simple overview.


50 posted on 07/12/2006 3:23:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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