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Can There Be Peace With Islam?
ChronWatch ^ | 14 July 2006 | Barbara J. Stock

Posted on 07/13/2006 10:32:34 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

The suicide bombers continue and now public executions are beginning. Iraqis continue to kill Iraqis in alarming numbers. Shia Muslims want revenge against Sunni Muslims. Sunni Muslims want their power back. Iraq has a serious problem.

The problem in Iraq isn’t the people in general. The problem isn’t the new government or even the presence of coalition forces. The problem in Iraq is Islam.

Islam, the self proclaimed “religion” of peace and love cannot stop killing its own people in the name of Islam and Allah. Islam is a religion that proclaims murder is wrong, and the killing of a fellow Muslim absolutely forbidden. Despite that, Muslims seem to have no problem killing a fellow Muslim if it is convenient or will lead to one sect having more power than another.

Recently in Iraq, Shia Muslims stopped buses and cars and anyone who was not a Shia Muslim, was executed. Over 40 Sunni Muslims were murdered by their fellow Muslims. Apparently, this was done in retaliation for the bombing of a Shia mosque by Sunni Muslims. This week, a funeral procession was stopped and all the mourners were executed. Muslims are killing Muslims and there isn’t an American soldier in sight to blame.

While American forces take great care not to violate any religious law by even entering a mosque, Muslims blow up mosques and kill fellow Muslims who are praying to Allah, and no one within the so-called “moderate Muslim” ranks utters a peep of condemnation.

Let an American soldier be accused of killing an Iraqi civilian and the howl of outrage and the blood-lust for revenge is heard from one Iraqi border to the other, and it reverberates throughout the Muslim world. But as Muslims commit mass murder within Islam, the Islamic leaders around the world turn a blind eye.

The split within Islam began the day Mohammed died and it has grown more violent ever since. There is a good reason for this: Islam is a violent and warring belief. It is so violent that if unable to kill a perceived enemy, it turns on its own, ending lives in a hail of bullets or in a premeditated explosion from a suicide bomber. The killers are then instantly dubbed martyrs-for-Allah for killing fellow Muslims who did not follow Islam as their sect interprets Islam.

For over 50 years, tiny Israel has been fighting for survival in a sea of Muslims. Israel has been attacked nearly nonstop since the day the United Nations gave the Jews a small plot of desert to call their own. But even that tiny piece of land is too much for Islam to tolerate.

The “Middle East” is a land mass of approximately 2,061,000 square miles. In contrast, Israel is a tiny country of about 8,000 square miles. Yet, in all of that space, Islam cannot bear the thought of Jews living on “their land.” Make no mistake, it is not because the countries in the Middle East are nearly all Arab; it is because most of the Middle East is now controlled by Islam. Once again, it is Islam that is the spark for war. It is the teachings of Islam that demand constant fighting and killing. All the killing and all the war is explained to the people as the “will of Allah.”

Islamic leaders put forth the belief that Israeli land is Muslim land. Islamic teachers believe that Muslims were there first. This is incorrect, since Judaism has been in the Middle East for at least 4,000 years and Islam only about 1,300 years. Even if one looks only at the Arab/Jew combination, leaving religion out of the equation, the Jewish people were in power in the Middle East several times throughout history. It is apparent that Jews have been in the Middle East just as Arabs were throughout history. Later, many of these Arab Jews became Arab Christians after the death of Jesus and the birth of Christianity, which was also in the Middle East prior to Islam. In fact, there were and still are Arab Jews and Christians.

For the most part, Christianity has been purged from the Middle East. While some countries have a small minority of Christians, they are persecuted and tormented and in many cases, they are not even allowed to be full citizens of the country of their birth because they are not Muslim. In most Islamic countries, non-Muslims cannot own land and their children are not allowed to attend the better schools.

Islamic leaders don’t care about the plight of the Palestinian people and have never cared about them. Aid money has poured in for the Palestinians to build schools and hospitals and the life of the average Palestinian never improves. The Islamic leaders and the Palestinian Liberation Organization have taken that aid money and lined their own pockets with it and used it to wage war against Israel while telling Palestinian women to have more babies to sacrifice for Islam. Hamas spends what little money comes in on weapons of death instead of improving the lives of the people who depend on them. All the while, Islamic leaders tell the Palestinians their hellish lives are solely because of the evil Jew.

Palestinian refugees, who have been forced to live in camps in neighboring Arab/Islamic countries for decades, are treated very badly. They have no rights and cannot find jobs, and the camps are a breeding ground for the hatred that Islamic leaders need to keep the war alive.

Now there has been a brutal attack in India with hundreds dead and injured. Some will say that this has nothing to do with the war America is involved in. Only the foolish believe this. Whether it is the attack on 9/11, London, Madrid, Russia, Bali, and now India, the common denominator in all these attacks is Islam. Attacks have been thwarted in Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States.

The “politically correct” (and grammatically incorrect) term for this is the “War on Terrorism.” The PC folks of the world need to wake up and smell the burning train car. This is a war against the ideology of Islam. It is Islam that is behind nearly every terrorist attack in the world today. There is not a day that passes that someone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, does not die at the hands of a follower of Islam. It is not possible to have peace with a “religion” that only believes in war.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barbarajstock; iraq; islam; israel; jihad; jihadinamerica; jihadincanada; moozies; no; rop; terrorism; war
And so say all of us!!!!
1 posted on 07/13/2006 10:32:37 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
"The PC folks of the world need to wake up and smell the burning train car."

LOL! Classic!

2 posted on 07/13/2006 10:37:00 PM PDT by BossLady (SKYAGRA - Kim Jong Il's answer to ejectile dysfunction......)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Can There Be Peace With Islam?

Can there be sobriety with Kennedys?

3 posted on 07/13/2006 10:38:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Aussie Dasher

4 posted on 07/13/2006 10:39:00 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

In my lifetime, we haven't.


5 posted on 07/13/2006 10:40:04 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Peace with is=slime?

Only the peace of the grave.

Destroy their idol! Destroy their "religion"/globull domination plan!

Till then we're just tuggin on Supermans cape!

6 posted on 07/13/2006 10:41:41 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Can there be peace with Islam?"

Not until it undergoes a serious reformation (not a taqiyya one). Next question?


7 posted on 07/13/2006 10:45:21 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well the answer is obvious then...

Arm each sect of Islam to the teeth and then cut off their access to the rest of the world...


8 posted on 07/13/2006 10:46:01 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Aussie Dasher
The Prophet Muhammad was a murderer. The Religion of Peace has been murdering folks for 1400 years. Arab's have been killing folks even longer, for thousands of years. The Middle East has always been a killing field.

If the western civilization wants to survive, it better start understanding that Islam is a religion of death.

9 posted on 07/13/2006 10:48:50 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Islam is bad enough, but now its morphed into a political agenda and many middle-east countries base all laws and government on what is said in the Koran. Thats the problem.


10 posted on 07/13/2006 10:59:17 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"The problem in Iraq is Islam"

"The split within Islam began the day Mohammed died and it has grown more violent ever since. There is a good reason for this: Islam is a violent and warring belief."

"For the most part, Christianity has been purged from the Middle East."

"Islamic leaders don’t care about the plight of the Palestinian people and have never cared about them"


Excellent article. This woman puts so concisely what should be obvious, but which westerners have turned themselves into pretzels to try and deny.


11 posted on 07/13/2006 11:03:21 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Can There Be Peace With Islam?

No...it's got to go
Human beings that consider themselves as part of
have to see that they have been deluded into following
a failed and totally fraudulent system of beliefs.
They have to see that it is 'OK' to leave islam
and ignore the fanatics that will call them apostates.
This belief , over the next several centuries probably
has to be , and will be, uprooted from the fabric of humanity.
Then there will be a chance for real peace on this planet.
12 posted on 07/13/2006 11:07:31 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse (strive on with heedfulness)
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To: I still care
Islam does not get along with Islam. These medieval idiots will use any excuse to kill someone even when that someone is fellow muslims.
In the last 600 years they have contributed exactly nothing to this world and I don't see any hope for that to change in the future.
13 posted on 07/13/2006 11:08:44 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Aussie Dasher

No; there cannot be.


14 posted on 07/13/2006 11:12:09 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Aussie Dasher

Folks should just read (at least) these two books:

"Jihad In The West"
by Paul Fregosi

and

"Hatred's Kingdom"
by Dore Gold

That should be enough to settle the question posed by the article.


15 posted on 07/13/2006 11:21:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Aussie Dasher
Make no mistake, it is not because the countries in the Middle East are nearly all Arab; it is because most of the Middle East is now controlled by Islam.

Good point -- I got no problem with the Christian Arabs (there are Christians among the Lebanese, Palestinians, Iraqis, Syrians and Egyptians, but most are escaping to the west to escape persecution by Muslimes)
17 posted on 07/13/2006 11:28:37 PM PDT by Cronos ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"Can there be sobriety with Kennedys?"

In either case, the answer is "no".


18 posted on 07/13/2006 11:30:03 PM PDT by Peisistratus (O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede...)
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To: VOA

"That should be enough to settle the question posed by the article."

I'd add the works of Robert Spencer to your list.


19 posted on 07/13/2006 11:31:24 PM PDT by Peisistratus (O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede...)
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To: Aussie Dasher

save


20 posted on 07/13/2006 11:38:29 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Shortly after 911, someone said that Islam is the religion of peace.


21 posted on 07/13/2006 11:40:28 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Spot on. Islam is a religion of hate. Muslims are a murderous people. I don't have to "inflame passions" by speaking this truth; just look at the news headings.

The Democrats, left-wingers, and Muslims can cry a river about the so-called past sins of Christian crusaders, they can even claim Hitler was a "Christian", but we're not living in the 7th century, 13th century, or 20th century.

There is nothing justifies the hate and mayhem of the Muslims, other than a blood-lust for power and dominence. Muslim violence may seem senseless to a non-Muslim, but every violent act of theirs has an agenda, every rape or murder by a Muslim has a purpose.

Americans will either fight back, tossing American Muslims out of the country and closing our borders to secure the country internally, and acting proactively against Iran, N. Korea, and Syria, turning these countries into seas of glass if necessary, or millions of Americans will die.

Watch Europe's response regarding Israel's acts of self-defense. They urge "moderation" for "both sides", condemn Israel unilaterally, and NEVER condemn the Muslim murderers. They could care less if very Jew dies in Israel, and they will shed no tears for Americans either. The rest of the countries of this world will care little if an American city dies; million's of Eurpeans will consider such a result as justice for America (and quite a few Democrats will think the same). The U.S.A. cannot trust any other country, any other entity for it's security; only ourselves.

The first step in ensuring our security is realizing WHO is our enemy. It's not "terror".

Our enemy is ISLAM

Islam's foot soldiers are the Muslims!

SFS

22 posted on 07/13/2006 11:42:00 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Reagan Man
If the western civilization wants to survive, it better start understanding that Islam is a religion of death.

I believe it is going to take another attack on a civilized country. I think it's Tokyo's or Berlin's turn next time. Forget Paris. France is already finished.

23 posted on 07/13/2006 11:45:26 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Can there be sobriety with Kennedys?

Ask Ted.


24 posted on 07/13/2006 11:50:12 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

For historical perspective and the relevance of Islam in the large, German national socialism got its perverse ethnic purity and intense anti-jewish sentiment in part from Islam, not the other way around. Antisemitism existed for centuries in Europe but the extremely violent psychopathic variety was passed culturally by close association with muslim turks in the trenches who had just demonstrated their own "final solution" on Armenians (Christians) back home, and through the Thule Society (Thule Gesellschaft), a German occultist group of the early 20'th century that inspired proto-nazis and based in part on Islamic occultism, and where the swastika comes from. The flames were fanned by Weimar Republic economic hardships to create a perfect storm. We all know the rest. And it is also no coincidence that tens of thousands of nazis escaped Allied justice through Syria.


25 posted on 07/13/2006 11:52:12 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Aussie Dasher
We faced another suicidal enenmy in the past and they finally surrendered after we incinerated about 30,000 in 10 seconds and another 80,000 in it's aftermath.

We face another suicidal enemy that will not succumb to clean targeted attacks.

I fear the west will have to face a much higher body count before doing what obviously needs to be done to exact the toll necessary to get the towelheads attention.

26 posted on 07/13/2006 11:54:24 PM PDT by zarf (Italian Kid: My father can beat up your father! Jewish Kid: Big deal, so can my mother!)
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To: I still care
This woman puts so concisely what should be obvious, but which westerners have turned themselves into pretzels to try and deny.

Excellent way of describing it yourself. It blows my mind the degree to which people will twist all probability to attempt to justify Islam. There is no justification.

I work with multiple Muslims in my workplace. Speaking from experience, they aren't to be trusted--and hearing the things that are discussed when they assume they're in private--it ain't the face that they show in public...yet.
27 posted on 07/14/2006 12:29:11 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Aussie Dasher

No. Next question.


28 posted on 07/14/2006 12:57:51 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: All
No.

We are in the early stages of WWIV ( WWIII being the Cold War ).

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

... the barbarians are already inside our gates.

Never, ever, forget:

Where It's 9-11 All the Time...Click the picture...


29 posted on 07/14/2006 1:28:52 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Aussie Dasher
Gen 16:11

And the angel of the LORD said unto her,

Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son,and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard, thy affliction.

Gen 16:12

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence, of all his brethren.

The answer to the question as to whether we can co-exists peacefully with Islam is a resounding NO!

30 posted on 07/14/2006 1:45:20 AM PDT by semaj (He needs to be shot.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The short answer is nope.


31 posted on 07/14/2006 2:43:44 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Aussie Dasher

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136113/posts


32 posted on 07/14/2006 2:52:47 AM PDT by djf (I'm not Islamophobic. But I am bombophobic. Same thing, I guess...)
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To: Aussie Dasher
It is not possible to have peace with a “religion” that only believes in war.

Good article, and this sums it up.

Note that "religion" is in quotes. This is because Islam is not a religion but a cult, just like Jim Jones' group or the nutcases in LA who believed the spaceship was coming to pick them up. It has all the hallmarks of a cult: control over every aspect of the follower's life, submission to cult authorities (imams) in everything, a very distant and impersonal god who demands elaborate ritual practices and speaks only through the cult founder, segregation of its followers from the rest of the world through bizarre practices and restrictions, worship of a cult object, and political objectives, because it wishes to take over the rest of the world and replace all governments and secular structures with its cult system. Furthermore, like all cults, it justifies any horrible action of the believer simply because he is a member of the cult and hence special and privileged, particularly when his horrible actions are on behalf of the supreme goal of extending the cult. And in this cult, violence is specifically part of the cultic belief system and has been since its very beginning.

People talk about "reform," but that implies that there was something good to begin with that somehow got off track and needed to be redirected (the way the Council of Trent reformed certain Catholic practices in the 16th century, for example). The difference is that Islam was never good to begin with; it was always a cult, always violent, and always a threat to civilization. It destroyed the civilizations of the Middle East and has tried time and again to do so to Europe and Asia. The only way we will ever have peace in this world is to destroy Islam.

33 posted on 07/14/2006 3:05:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: Grampa Dave

FYI....background


34 posted on 07/14/2006 3:08:33 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Islam is bad enough, but now its morphed into a political agenda and many middle-east countries base all laws and government on what is said in the Koran. Thats the problem

And the goal of Islam is to install Sharia Law worldwide.

So what you see as a problem, Islam sees as a solution.

There's only one way out of this situation and it ain't good.
35 posted on 07/14/2006 3:17:09 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: tauren
The muslims need to modernize their relegion.

They can't. It's an impossibility.

Muslims believe that everything that you need to know is in the Koran which is 1,400 years old.

Islam's basic belief makes it impossible to modernize. Therein lies the problem.
36 posted on 07/14/2006 3:22:21 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
With a headline like that this should be a very short article; to wit;

Can there be Peace With Islam? No.

37 posted on 07/14/2006 5:04:37 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Jeff Gordon; BIGLOOK; ASA Vet
Excellent Pictorial Summary of Islamofascism!"


38 posted on 07/14/2006 6:43:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The best things in life are never free for conservatives. Donate to Free Republic today!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Can there be peace with Islam"


NO!


39 posted on 07/14/2006 7:25:27 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Peisistratus

"I'd add the works of Robert Spencer to your list."

Agreed.
Spencer "cuts to the chase" and distills what is in a lot of books that
might not be so accessible to the time-pressured average Joe or Josephine.

"Jihad In The West" is a modestly tough read...because of the repetition
of a small number of given names for Islamic leaders and because after a
couple of hundred pages, it's almost an overload of blood-baths
"Because Allah Wills It!".


40 posted on 07/14/2006 8:20:46 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Aussie Dasher

There can be no peace with is-slime. They will not allow it ever. It is us or them. There is no middle ground, no compromise. They are the children of Satan (the father of lies and a murderer). They lie to deceive us, then when they are strong enough, they kill us. Our survival depends on wiping is-slime out totally.


41 posted on 07/14/2006 8:22:19 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: Aussie Dasher

Barbara states the utter truth, one that many around the world are too afraid, or "politically correct" to admit. However, the one thing that I must correct is her statement "Now there has been a brutal attack in India...". It MUST be noted that Islamic terrorists ( a.k.a. Pakistan) has been carrying out brutal attacks against and within India since it's very independence from the British. And India has been trying to get the western world, especially the U.S. to recognize and admit that Pakistan is a breeding ground for Islamic militancy and to help do something about it for just as long. Yet, until 9/11 it was advantageous and convenient for the U.S. to deny and ignore the Pakistani threat. After all, we had our military base there! Well, that whole issue has come to bite us on the rear. For the U.S. to continue to officially dodge the fact that Pakistan is what it is, THE breeding ground for Islamic terrorists is nothing less than a slap on the face to the American people and the victims of 9/11. It's time we, as Americans, go beyond mere words saying "India has our full support at this hour..." and forge forward hand in hand with India to put an end to the Pakistani National Agenda of terrorism once and for all. And finally to answer the question " 'It is not possible to have peace with a "religion" that only believes in war' ". The answer is quite simple: NO!


42 posted on 07/17/2006 11:34:22 AM PDT by Utopian World (Can there be peace with Islam?)
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