Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

WHY ISRAEL HIT BACK SO HARD
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 7/14/6 | Matthew Kalman

Posted on 07/14/2006 8:01:36 AM PDT by SmithL

'THIS IS A WAR': Kidnappings and the perceived hand of Iran demand response, leaders say -

Jerusalem -- For Israel, Wednesday's raid was a kidnapping too far.

The cross-border raid by Hezbollah gunmen on an Israeli army patrol in northern Israel and the abduction of two soldiers whom the captors declared to be bargaining chips for the release of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners held by Israel prompted a response that threatens the stability of the region.

"The notion that this is a limited operation is wrong -- this is a fundamentally new situation," Gen. Gershon Yitzhak, head of the Israeli Army Home Front Command, said in an interview. "This is not an operation. This is a war for the sake of our home, what it will look like in the future and how we will be able to live in the region. This operation will continue to expand, and it is only just beginning.

"We must remove this threat once and for all," the general added.

In the six years since the Israeli army withdrew from southern Lebanon, ending 18 years of occupation, the government in Jerusalem has responded to similar kidnappings and kidnap attempts with minor displays of force and the occasional limited bombing of targets in Lebanon and Syria.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; hizbullah; israel; terrorstate
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-68 next last

1 posted on 07/14/2006 8:01:37 AM PDT by SmithL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Why? Simple rocket science.

Terrorist have tens of thousands of Iran-supplied rockets that they're firing.


2 posted on 07/14/2006 8:07:06 AM PDT by D-fendr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
We reached the point where we had to tell the Hezbollah, in a language that the Hezbollah can understand, that there is a limit to everything," Shimon Peres, Israel's deputy prime minister told reporters in Tel Aviv.

Looks like Hezbollah poked the bear one time too many.
God Bless Israel! May their operation be a success.

GE
3 posted on 07/14/2006 8:08:00 AM PDT by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

I back Israel's right to self-defense. At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible.


4 posted on 07/14/2006 8:10:46 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
ISRAEL HIT BACK SO HARD

What is so hilarious is that the Islamists are sincerely confused that the reaction wasn't the same-old same-old. Here's another prayer that the gloves are off, and will stay off, until the Islamists stop their murderous ways.

5 posted on 07/14/2006 8:11:58 AM PDT by Teacher317
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible.
Very true, however, you must remember that the cowards they are fighting deliberately hide behind women, children, and civilians.

Their loss is very regrettable but the blame sits squarely upon their enemy.

Cordially,
GE
6 posted on 07/14/2006 8:13:54 AM PDT by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

The Israelis aren't hitting back hard. At least not at this moment.


7 posted on 07/14/2006 8:14:49 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Gen. Gershon Yitzhak ... "We must remove this threat once and for all," the general added.

It's doubtful this will remove the threat, but it sure will make them think twice by hammering them real good. The old benefit/cost ratio.

8 posted on 07/14/2006 8:16:31 AM PDT by demlosers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
"We must remove this threat once and for all," the general added.

Would that it were so.

9 posted on 07/14/2006 8:17:27 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: D-fendr

I think that Israel had planned for an operation like this for some time, and Hamas and Hezbollah gave them just the 'causus belli' that they needed.


10 posted on 07/14/2006 8:23:55 AM PDT by expatpat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle
At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible.

Very true, however, you must remember that the cowards they are fighting deliberately hide behind women, children, and civilians.

No easy answers here.

11 posted on 07/14/2006 8:24:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MinorityRepublican
The Israelis aren't hitting back hard. At least not at this moment.

Yes, they should be hitting back even harder!

12 posted on 07/14/2006 8:25:02 AM PDT by Rummyfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

bttt


13 posted on 07/14/2006 8:26:50 AM PDT by petercooper (Have you pissed off a liberal today?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: demlosers

(...the Lebanese government on the other hand, probably with the support from the world community, will ... make sure that the use of weapons will be the monopoly of the state," said Ehud Barak)

Yeah, and attacking the Lebanese Army's outpost and laying siege to ALL of the Lebanese thus destroying the credibility of anybody remotely friendly to Israel will really help this matter./sarcasm off. While the Lebanese would love for Israel to destroy Hezbollah, they would take it slightly personal when at the same time Israel destroys the Lebanese economy with impunity. It's like having someone beat up someone who is bullied and telling him: Hey, I'll beat you up until you control that bully who is three times your size!


14 posted on 07/14/2006 8:28:42 AM PDT by winner3000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: romanesq

Please show us the difference between a "civilian" and Hezbollah. This a a war of tribes, cults, religious beliefs, social caste, not of governments. The Lebanese government has as much control over Muslems as the FBI has over the Crips, the Bloods, and MS-13.l


15 posted on 07/14/2006 8:28:49 AM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

You are 100% right and you are reinforced by the Geneva conventions. When an enemy army situates itself in civilian population any resulting civilian loss of life is on the enemy army's head, not the attacker. These rules are in place to stop situations just like the one we have today.

Give me some time and I can find a link, work beckons.


16 posted on 07/14/2006 8:30:50 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
The Islamic cults have been targeting civilians in restaurants, markets, buses, trains, airplanes, schools and nightclubs for decades, and they do with impunity.

To speak of civilian tolls when a nation fights back is telling.
17 posted on 07/14/2006 8:32:48 AM PDT by roses of sharon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Teacher317

Amen & amen!!


18 posted on 07/14/2006 8:36:28 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Israel must increase the attack. Just hitting empty buildings and bridges is a good start but will not do it. Shelling the locations that the terrorist are firing missiles will not completely disarm. A combined ground and air attack will probably be the only way to disarm. My only fear is the US may not back Israel, but just give lip support. The hell with Russia, China, Iran and the UN. Hope that our military in Iraq is ready to hit Iran with a wake up call if they continue supporting the terrorist in Lebanon.

The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. Creating Gitmo resorts is pure nuts. Sad but true. Some mental illness cannot be cured.
19 posted on 07/14/2006 8:36:48 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: expatpat

You would hope that they had plans for all contigencies.


20 posted on 07/14/2006 8:37:28 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: jonascord; derllak
FBI has over the Crips, the Bloods, and MS-13.

Lets take your analogy a little further.

Say MS-13 had hundreds of rockets that it fired from Brownsville to strike border towns inside Mexico on a regular basis.
Say also that MS-13 crossed the border to kidnap and murder Mexican border agents (such as they are) to use as bargaining chips hoping to secure the release of their jailed members.
Say also that MS-13 regularly tried to send people into Mexico with the sole express purpose of blowing up restuarants, discos, and pizza parlors.

If all of those things were happening wouldn't the Mexican governement have the right to demand the US government do something? And if the US governement chose not to, wouldn't the Mexican government eventually, after years and years of trying to convince the US, be justified in attacking?

I think they would, I think that analogy is what the UN should consider and I think Israel is 100% in the right.

21 posted on 07/14/2006 8:39:00 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: D-fendr
"Terrorist have tens of thousands of Iran-supplied rockets that they're firing.

____________________________________________________________

I've seen 1.3G fireworks do more damage than those rockets. they appear to be about one step above an Estes hobby rocket.

There was a guy on Fox news who walked over to a "huge crater" left in the pavement from one of their rockets. It was about two shovelfuls of dirt displaced.

At any rate, the Jews should just liquefy them.
22 posted on 07/14/2006 8:40:57 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Rummyfan; MinorityRepublican

Isn't today the Jewish Sabbath? Traditionally they hold back when they can safely on the Sabbath. Though the next day tends to be all the more fierce.


23 posted on 07/14/2006 8:41:08 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglÚs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Israel is hitting back because they have a million citizens in bomb shelters and need to remove the threat.


24 posted on 07/14/2006 8:42:07 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: winner3000
While the Lebanese would love for Israel to destroy Hezbollah, they would take it slightly personal when at the same time Israel destroys the Lebanese economy with impunity

Sometimes there are no neat, easy solutions. This is about survival.

25 posted on 07/14/2006 8:44:08 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: GrandEagle

Yes, we know these military groups are located in civilian areas.


26 posted on 07/14/2006 8:51:07 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: expatpat

Like any country with active enemies, they have contingency plans.
And they are now acting on it.


27 posted on 07/14/2006 8:52:13 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: jonascord

A civilian is not Hezbollah.


28 posted on 07/14/2006 8:53:27 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
the civilian toll is horrible

Israel's response is totally disproportionate.

Israel with a population of only six million should respond proportionally to the one billion muslims aligned against them, they should be killing at least 150 muslim civilians for every Israeli civilian who has been killed. And since muslims are having three times as many children as the Israelis, they should be killing at least 450 muslim children for every Israeli child who has been killed.

29 posted on 07/14/2006 9:01:45 AM PDT by joshhiggins (O you who believe! do not take the MUSLIMS for friends; ...surely Allah does not guide the unjust...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

The question isn't why Israel "hit back so hard", but why she waited so long to do so. This defensive action is long overdue.


30 posted on 07/14/2006 9:07:30 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: joshhiggins

Can't advocate targeting civilians.


31 posted on 07/14/2006 9:08:50 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Why Israel hit back so hard

Because for Israel it is a war for survival, for their very existence, and they know it.

The Muslim world groups Israel and the US in the same category, zionist crusaders.

We also hit back hard, very hard, and it turned into political mush. The lefties, liberals and their lapdogs in the dim party and MSM see this as some kind of moral struggle of right and wrong where we and Israel are portrayed as being on the wrong side.

What is it going to take for us to realize, as a country, that this is a fight for our survival? An ocean doesn't protect us anymore. The UN is worthless and euroweenies are slithering all over themselves to appease.

Unlike previous wars we won't get a chance to reposture, rearm and prevail. The time is now and only now to plan to win. Any other choice will have us apologizing for generations to come for failing them.

32 posted on 07/14/2006 9:10:28 AM PDT by pfflier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MinorityRepublican
The Israelis aren't hitting back hard. At least not at this moment.

You're right. This is nothing more than a hockey brawl compared to their true capability.

33 posted on 07/14/2006 9:11:52 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("I don't know why I have a conscience. All it does is f*ck with me." Korn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ingtar
Isn't today the Jewish Sabbath?

Not unless it's already past sundown there.

34 posted on 07/14/2006 9:14:33 AM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: romanesq

Not only are the mooslim cowards fighting behind women and children, but they view all Israelis (men, women and children) as potential combatants (using the excuse of compulsory and reserve military service), and they have shown no mercy in attacking them in their terrorist attacks.

The mooselies have been at war with Israel and the rest of the infidels for decades - some will logically argue that this war has lasted centuries. Civilians get caught in the crossfire, especially when they are being used by combatants as human shields.

War is hell. We do our best, like no other country has ever done in all of human history, to minumize the number of civilian casualties. However, civilans in war zones are still going to be at risk. What the muzzies do with their civilians is criminal. When you hear of arab civilian casualties, it is the fault of the mooselims intentional failure to evacuate them from the war zone.


35 posted on 07/14/2006 9:15:02 AM PDT by rock_lobsta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
"At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible."

Not when 90%+ support the total destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the population.
Then there are no civilians, just enemies of both sexes and all ages.
36 posted on 07/14/2006 9:21:06 AM PDT by Prost1 (We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
"At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible."

Yes, it is. But remember what it took to end World War II -- that was far worse.

Carolyn

37 posted on 07/14/2006 9:22:25 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
Can't advocate targeting civilians.

It's that same civilian society that harbors, condones, and actively supports the terrorists.

38 posted on 07/14/2006 9:26:48 AM PDT by demlosers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: expatpat

I think this was Israel's plan when they first gave up Gaza - get the friendly targets off the battlefield before the shooting starts.


39 posted on 07/14/2006 9:27:14 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
I back Israel's right to self-defense. At the same time, the civilian toll is horrible.

Screw the "civilians". in this conflict there are no muslim "civilians".

As far as the "children" go, as Tom Quick, Avenger of the Delaware said, "from nits come lice".

40 posted on 07/14/2006 9:28:24 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

There will never be a better time for the Israelis to take care of all the family business. Kill enough of the Islamofascists on their borders to teach their brothers, sisters and children that poking a tiger in the eye is an extremely unproductive endeavor.


41 posted on 07/14/2006 9:28:36 AM PDT by dogcaller
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
Can't advocate targeting civilians.

Are you proposing that Israeli soldiers hold their fire until presented with a "Hezbollah Membership Card"?

Or do you consider members of Hezbollah to also be "Civilians" as they are not officially members of the Lebanese army.

42 posted on 07/14/2006 9:30:30 AM PDT by joshhiggins (O you who believe! do not take the MUSLIMS for friends; ...surely Allah does not guide the unjust...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Personal Responsibility
Give me some time and I can find a link, work beckons.
Work....pesky but necessary.

Several Freepers and I have been in extensive discussions about the Geneva Conventions. They are fresh on my mind, and I have links to them.
Thanks - just thought I'd save you some time there!

Cordially,
GE
43 posted on 07/14/2006 9:31:55 AM PDT by GrandEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Personal Responsibility
The last thing the Mexican, or the Israeli government would want is to treat this as a criminal matter, rather than a geo-religious war. Criminal behavior imposes restraints on the anti-criminal social construct. War has no restraints, except those that are self-imposed. These self-imposed restraints last only as long as the controller of the military chooses to abide by them.

During WW2, after the Goettge Patrol, the Marines put a low priority on getting Japanese POWs. FDR turned a willfully blind eye to it, altho Elenore hated the Marines and even suggest that they be kept overseas after the war until they could prove they were civilized. Sometime in the very near future, these 7th century hold-outs will commit some act so grotesque that even France won't be able to justify the continued existence of fundamental Islamic beliefs, and Armageddon will begin.

44 posted on 07/14/2006 9:32:07 AM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: romanesq
"Can't advocate targeting civilians."

There is no special consideration for civilians that hang around terrorists. They were warned.

45 posted on 07/14/2006 9:38:43 AM PDT by BobS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: romanesq

Yes, he is. Does he support the elimination of Israel? Does he feed a Hezbollah? Does he refrain from reporting a Hezbollah to the Lebanese Government? Did he vote for Hamas or a rabid fundamentalist? If the answer to any of these is yes, he has promoted himself from "civilian" to enabler=combatant=target.


46 posted on 07/14/2006 9:42:37 AM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Why? Because Israel could capture any number of Palestenians and it wouldn't work to hold them as hostages because even the Palestenians consider their lives to be worthless.


47 posted on 07/14/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by techcor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: romanesq

Those are not civilians. Remember President Bush's "If you support a terrorist you are one" ? ? ?


48 posted on 07/14/2006 9:49:28 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

==The all-out Israeli response could be measured against factors that changed the usual calculation of action and reaction.

This is hardly an "all-out" Israeli response. If their response was "all-out" it would result in a complete destruction of the PLO, Hezbullah, Hamas, and probably Syria.


49 posted on 07/14/2006 9:59:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

50 posted on 07/14/2006 10:01:53 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-68 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson