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Why is Liberalism a Dirty Word
Free Republic | July 15, 2006 | Westpole

Posted on 07/15/2006 5:36:05 AM PDT by Westpole

It was striking when Mary Mapes was ask during a TV interview a simple question, "Are you a liberal?" Her reply was a denial. From politicians to journalist you would be hard pressed to find someone to admit that well yes they are a liberal. Oh sure a few Michael Moores type will say proudly they are. But try finding a politician to go on the record that they are liberals.

So why is liberalism such a bad label that even its most dedicated disciples want to ditch the term. This is all the more ironic because liberals always like to point to polls to show how popular various liberal positions are with the body politic. For example we are told in polls people don't support government interference with a woman's right to chose. Yet the very escence of Roe v.Wade was that the people did not have the right to determine this question.

So the real issue is who decides? The people or someone else. In the last presidential election the Massachusetts Supreme Court had just ruled that the State must make gay marriage legal. It directed the legislature to craft such a law. Many political observers claimed the tide of anti-gay marriage sentiment help insure a Bush win. But it was clear what griped most people was the notion that this issue like unrestricted abortion would be forced down our throats.

But that is just it about liberals. They are like the doctor with the medicine you won't like this but its good for you. We know what is best. And since liberalism by its very nature is always pushing the envelope it generally will stake out positions that are not embraced by the general public.

So of course how convinient if courts make us do what liberals cannot get otherwise enacted. Or presidential decrees (by a liberal president of course) like gays in the military. In other words liberals by definition want something to change and if it hasn't changed because the people aren't ready to accept it then they just have to find a way of getting it done.

All this is to say there is a deep antidemocratic spine to liberalism. And that is why no one wants to admit they are a liberal. Is it possible to have liberal views on issues yet support the democratic process (i.e. the legislative process) in deciding issues? Sure but I guess we call these people moderates and by this definitive moderates would not support decisions like Roe v. Wade which take the democratic process out.

Also please note two other things. Liberals will always be a minority..remember they are pushing the envelope. And liberals will always be unsatisfied. And that is why we always have an "angry left".


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: liberalism; liberals; politics

1 posted on 07/15/2006 5:36:07 AM PDT by Westpole
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To: Westpole
Why is liberalism a dirty word?

"We know what is best".

Answered your own question.

2 posted on 07/15/2006 5:44:31 AM PDT by joshhiggins (O you who believe! do not take the MUSLIMS for friends; ...surely Allah does not guide the unjust...)
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To: Westpole
Making the word liberal a dirty word has been one of our biggest victories. "Liberal" is now equivalent to what "queer" was a few years back. Soon these shameless swine will shrug off "liberal" as "queer" has been shrugged off and we will have to hit them with "progressive". For now, however, "progressive" is an insurance company.
3 posted on 07/15/2006 5:47:07 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: Westpole

It costs too much.


4 posted on 07/15/2006 5:47:24 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Westpole
So why is liberalism such a bad label that even its most dedicated disciples want to ditch the term.

Because they know most Americans don't support their programs and so they must twist the language to keep deceiving people.

5 posted on 07/15/2006 5:47:33 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: joshhiggins

"Liberalism" will always be a dirty word because of what the word denotes. And liberals will never progress in their thinking so long as they think in cliches such as "pushing the envelope."


6 posted on 07/15/2006 5:47:55 AM PDT by djpg
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To: Westpole
Progressive = New cover name for Liberal
Liberal = Cover name for Socialist
Socialist = Cover name for Communist
7 posted on 07/15/2006 5:49:26 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Westpole

The word being used more and more by liberals is "progressive". Same thing. Whatever you call them they have total disdain for democracy unless it endorses something they support.


8 posted on 07/15/2006 5:50:19 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Westpole
What amuses me most is that the people who shy away from the term always say something like this--without recognizing the irony:

"I don't like the term liberal because those damned conservatives who all think alike and are destroying this country have made it a dirty word."

The same folks who use the term "conservative" think they're all so original that they all just happened to come to their way of thinking on their own; unlike those vile conservatives, who got their ideas from others. Libs like to think no one has ever told them a damned thing, that they are just studious and somehow came to the same conclusions as other libs but they ALL came to those conclusions independently. They love being considered rebels and original thinkers, so the real insult is that you're making assumptions about them by labelling them, when they are sui genus or whatever the damned term is.

This is a courtesy they do not extend to those who don't think like they do, and again they don't see the irony--there's those damned programmed conservatives, and then the free thinkers who all think exactly like me...except, we're all individuals in our collective thinking.

9 posted on 07/15/2006 5:50:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: Westpole
Whoops.

"The same folks who use the term "conservative""

Should read:

"The same folks who use the term "conservative" as a slur"

Sorry.

10 posted on 07/15/2006 5:52:22 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: Westpole
"Classical liberalism is a political philosophy that supports individual rights as pre-existing the state, a government that exists to protect those moral rights, ensured by a constitution that protects individual autonomy from other individuals and governmental power, private property, and a laissez-faire economic policy. Many elements of this ideology developed in the 17th and 18th centuries. As such, it is often seen as being the natural ideology of the industrial revolution and its subsequent capitalist system. The early liberal figures that libertarians now describe as their fellow "classical liberals" rejected many foundational assumptions which dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion, and focuses on individual freedom, reason, justice and tolerance. Such thinkers and their ideas helped to inspire the American Revolution and French Revolution."

To answer the question -- "Because the Bolsheviks hijacked the word since is sounds better than "Socialist" or "Communist" and most people are too lazy to pick up a dictionary."

It is a matter of fact that "Liberals" are not liberal.

11 posted on 07/15/2006 5:56:53 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: Westpole

Not that hard to explain. Liberals hate America, want to destroy it, then be in charge of helpless, criminal idiots like most of the Katrina refugees


12 posted on 07/15/2006 5:58:44 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: Darkwolf377
"The same folks who use the term "conservative" as a slur"

Remember when a conservative's first name was always Arch?

13 posted on 07/15/2006 6:00:35 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Sooth2222

I would actually call "liberals" today leftists. There is nothing "classically liberal" in their way of thinking at all.


14 posted on 07/15/2006 6:01:00 AM PDT by asp1
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To: ASA Vet
Progressive = New cover name for Liberal

Liberal = Cover name for Socialist

Socialist = Cover name for Communist

And here they are.

Still wonder why they don't want to call themselves what they are?

15 posted on 07/15/2006 6:06:37 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: BlazingArizona

Yes interesting that "conservative" is not a slur at all. No conservative denys being a conservative. The left seeking an equivalent "slur" has to apend something to the word.. like "arch conservative" as you point out. But the new one is of course "neo-conservative" or better yet for them "neo-con" That one pushes the movement to the the fringe and suggests there was something wrong with conservative that they had to come up with "neo" ..
But that is all marginal carping from the left. Conservative stands tall and proud. Liberals have to defend themselves against the uneasy sense we get that they will pull something off truely goofy unless we watch them very very closely


16 posted on 07/15/2006 6:06:38 AM PDT by Westpole
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To: USS Alaska

Yup and I call them what they are.


17 posted on 07/15/2006 6:10:16 AM PDT by two23
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To: Westpole

Perhaps all the demonstrable failures of past 'liberal' programs (the Great Society springs to mind) is reason enough for the left to avoid this description.


18 posted on 07/15/2006 6:11:36 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Sooth2222

Yes, you are right. Modern liberalism is Statism.


19 posted on 07/15/2006 6:14:49 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Westpole

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ."
(PJ O'Rourke)


20 posted on 07/15/2006 6:19:07 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Westpole
Here's why...


21 posted on 07/15/2006 6:31:44 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Westpole
I watched the Donnie Duetch (spell?) show the other night. Ann Coulter was his guest. He denied that liberals even exist. It was his mantra throughout the half hour interview, over and over.

In his case, however, I think it was more of a dirty interviewing ploy. By saying there are no liberals, he was able to shoot down Ann's claims against liberals. Or he tried anyway. He was no match for Coulter.

22 posted on 07/15/2006 6:32:45 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Liberals lie)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Always pushing the envelope means you don't believe in anything. Every movement will go too far and then retrench. They went too far with gay marriage. but we also have a big need to evaluate the programs and policies of the last sixty years and keepo what works and discard the clinkers. They won't do that.


23 posted on 07/15/2006 6:49:21 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Westpole; All

Liberal's attempt at negative labeling is to call conservatives "Right Wingers".

They can't understand why it doesn't irritate us.

The problem for liberals is, no matter what label is applied, it is just a word to categorize something. They may (and often do) call all conservatives "Mean Assholes". If being called a "Mean Asshole" puts you in a category of person who believes:

1.) Personal responsibility is a necessity of participatory citizenship

2.) Government has its purposes, but should be minimized

3.) The military is an honorable, and vital profession

4.) National Defense is not just a campaign issue

5.) Peace in and of itself is not victory, the end all, or the be all

6.) Not everyone is equal in capability, both physically and intellectually

7.) Not everyone is going to make the same amout of money, or deserves to

8.) The Judiciary is meant to interpret law, not make it.

9.) Discrimination does not become something else because you call it something else.

10.) Words have meaning, and cannot be endlessly twisted to suit your needs.

11.) Morality may not be completely absolute, but it is closer to being absolute than relative.

Then yes, conservatives will square their shoulders and say "Yep. I am a 'Mean Asshole'..."

Liberals do not understand that a label is only as good as the person or group creating the label. Basically we all know it as the admonition of "Consider the Source" when insulted.

Like Ronald Reagan, most conservatives are comfortable enough in our political "skin" to enunciate in precise terms what it is that we believe in.

Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists or whatever other label they may apply to themselves, cannot do that. Their dogmas and ideologies often require that people NOT know and understand what they are up to. I think Richard Nixon said it best when he spoke of Alger Hiss:

"If the American people understood the real character of Alger Hiss, they would boil him in oil."

The descriptive titles Liberals, Leftists, Progressives, Socialists or Communists may be substituted for "Alger Hiss" and retain complete accuracy.




24 posted on 07/15/2006 6:52:15 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: joshhiggins
Why is liberalism a dirty word?

Becuz they support terrorists over Americans.

25 posted on 07/15/2006 7:05:56 AM PDT by Fawn (BUILD A LONG TALL WALL)
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To: Westpole

In a way I'm glad it's become a dirty word....ever since the left kidnapped and executed the true definition of the word. I happen to consider myself a Liberal, in the very classic sense. It's quite humorous to see the expression on a lefties face when I explain that I AM a true Liberal.


26 posted on 07/15/2006 7:15:14 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: jmaroneps37
Progressive is the new label socialist libs and lefties are trying to cloak themselves in. They see the growth of conservatism, and conservative does not have a negative connotation as it has more in common with classic liberalism than they do. By going with progressive they hope to paint conservatives as 'regressive".

BTW, the CEO of Progressive Insurance is an A-list moonbat who was exceeded only by Soros in million$ of fund$ pumped into Dem coffers.

27 posted on 07/15/2006 7:15:56 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: ASA Vet

Liberal=Communist=Traitor and Enemy of the Republic


28 posted on 07/15/2006 7:17:07 AM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Sooth2222

I have always considered Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the French philosopher, to be the father of modern liberalism, and Edmund Burke, the Irish statesman, to be the father of modern conservatism.


29 posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:34 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: rlmorel

Who was it who said, "Liberals lie about what they believe to get elected. Conservatives tell the truth about what they believe for the same reason." ?


30 posted on 07/15/2006 7:25:53 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Westpole

Leftists stole the term liberal to hide behind. Then leberalism became identifed with leftist policies and beliefs. Americans hate these policies and beliefs, so the term liberal became pegorative. It's well past time that true liberals take back the term.


31 posted on 07/15/2006 8:36:23 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: ASA Vet
Progressive = New cover name for Liberal Liberal = Cover name for Socialist Socialist = Cover name for Communist

Right On. This is all you need to know about liberalism.

32 posted on 07/15/2006 9:17:19 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Westpole

LIBERAL = Liars Ignoring Basic Ethical Rules And Laws


33 posted on 07/15/2006 9:21:30 AM PDT by stockstrader
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