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Children who live with smokers have more respiratory complications during surgery
Eurekalert ^ | 07/14/06 | Children's Hospital Boston

Posted on 07/15/2006 7:01:38 AM PDT by Moonman62

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To: Moonman62

This is only because smoking has been banned in hospitals, so they're coming from an environment to which they're accustomed into one that's foreign to their bodies. The solution is to hold a small (no more than six or seven players) poker party in the operating room while the surgery is taking place. I have to think of everything ....


21 posted on 07/15/2006 7:51:44 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Moonman62; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

Nanny State PING........they're coming out of the woodwork folks.....


22 posted on 07/15/2006 8:04:40 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: basil
I grew up with two parents who were chain smokers. Long car trips with the windows closed and I always felt sick. I didn't know you could enjoy a car ride until I could drive myself in my own car that didn't reek of smoke.

No sympathy for what you are pushing. Second hand smoke does very very definitely lead to respiratory problems. My wife had a similar experience growing up. At several points both of us nearly died in childhood from pneumonia and bronchitis. Our son has grown up in a smoke free house and not a minute of health or respiratory problems lung infections, etc. etc.

Chain smoking is hell for those around you.

23 posted on 07/15/2006 8:08:54 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AnnaZ

I grew up (50s, 60s, and on) with a father that smoked cigars and or a pipe his whole adult life, a mother that was smoking long before I entered the womb, and continued to smoke her whole life.

Yes, it did make for a smokey living environment. I even remember as a teenager how I painted our main living areas a number of times, just to "clean up" the walls again.

And yes, I believe the smokey environment (I too began in the 1960s and quit in 1983) did leave its trace in some of the health factors of me and most of my siblings. We all have had one or the other of chronic sinusitus or chronic bronchial congestion. Of course those conditions are greater for those of us who also smoked at some point, but many of these conditions we had as children also.


24 posted on 07/15/2006 8:23:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Moonman62

Here come the tobacco defenders and apologists.

"This can't be! Smoking is harmless! It's just another nanny-state liberal ploy aimed at taking away our personal freedoms!"

This is one area where I part ways with many here on FR.

I'll take a zot, thank you. I F*****g hate cigarettes.


25 posted on 07/15/2006 8:23:41 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (I think, therefor I Zot!)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
I'll take a zot, thank you. I F*****g hate cigarettes.

Do you also hate liberties?

No one is trying to make you live with someone that smokes.
No one is trying to make you ride in a car with someone that smokes.

Or is it, just because you hate cigarettes, smoking should be outlawed?

26 posted on 07/15/2006 8:28:00 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: AnnaZ

Walking miracle here! Both my parents smoked and I never suffered any respritory problems or other side effects.


27 posted on 07/15/2006 8:33:21 AM PDT by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: Just another Joe
"Do you also hate liberties? No one is trying to make you live with someone that smokes. No one is trying to make you ride in a car with someone that smokes. Or is it, just because you hate cigarettes, smoking should be outlawed?

Did you even read the article? I don't believe it mentions anything about outlawing smoking. As long as the plant their smoking is brown and not green, right?

Anyway, to answer your question, No, I defend your right to poison yourself. I also defend my right not to have to breath it.

I also see nothing wrong with pointing out to people what a f****d up thing smoking really is. If a person continues to smoke after knowing what it can potentially do to him, so be it. That's his right. But there is nothing wrong with trying to convince people to stop or to spare their kids having to unwillingly share their smoking addiction.

I've bit my tongue here so many times on cig related threads but as I deal with the spreading cancer in my lungs and consider my 35 years of smoking... yeah, I'm one of those pissed off ex-smokers.

I fully believe the tobacco companies deliberately continued selling a product they knew full well was killing people. How is that different from a crack dealer aside from it being gov't approved?

I know this opinion isn't a popular one here but I don't really care. I fully expect someone to come along now and say that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
28 posted on 07/15/2006 8:52:15 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (I think, therefor I Zot!)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
You are the one that brought up smoking.

As for the article, they have covered their behinds just like they always do.
The study suggests.

Is smoking bad for you? Undoubtedly.
Does smoking cause any type of harm to your body? Undoubtedly.
Is it right for the government to keep you from doing yourself harm? BS.

This article is about ETS, not first hand smoking.
I've been studying the issue of ETS for a number of years now and haven't been able to find any conclusive proof that ETS does anyone any harm unless they have a preexisting medical condition.
I've looked at the studies, I've seen the lies that anti-smokers make about the harm caused by ETS, I've seen liberties being curtailed on the basis of lies, innuendo, and money spent deceiving the public.

You may not like smoking anymore but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
The evidence is not there for banning smoking anywhere based on harm done by ETS to public health.

29 posted on 07/15/2006 9:08:15 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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I wonder if mankind is in rapid devolution, and becoming less adaptable to a varied environment.

I think that our society simply has a lot more wusses than it used to. I'm still waiting for all of the lead paint that I was exposed to as a kid to do me in.

(Slumps in chair...stops breathing...)

30 posted on 07/15/2006 9:25:35 AM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
I know this opinion isn't a popular one here but I don't really care. I fully expect someone to come along now and say that smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Or that smoking actually cures cancer. Some amazing things come out of a state of denial.

31 posted on 07/15/2006 9:55:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: basil
It's a wonder that cigarette smoking hasn't caused the destruction and demise of the entire human race by now.

Wait...........it's coming! ;*)

Glad you made it home safe and sound.

32 posted on 07/15/2006 10:09:42 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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Yep-I'm home. Thanks once again for hauling me around! If you get down my way--be sure and let me know.


33 posted on 07/15/2006 10:12:55 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your 2nd amendment - buy another gun today)
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To: Gabz
The study results,...suggest that children exposed to secondhand smoke may require more attention

Really, really getting tired of the bs. Yet, there are some so blinded by their own agendas they cannot see the bs right before their own eyes.

34 posted on 07/15/2006 10:15:23 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: basil
If you get down my way--be sure and let me know.

I love Texas................IN JANUARY!!! Seriesly, I would love to be in Texas in August (you know why) and as soon as I find an air conditioned body suit I will book the trip and contact you! ;*)

35 posted on 07/15/2006 10:17:48 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Moonman62

Wait, I just figured out where you got your name.
You're from the moon, aren't you.


"Or that smoking actually cures cancer"

Anyone who states that, even sarcatically, must be from the moon.

Is it really made of cheese?


36 posted on 07/15/2006 10:38:25 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Just A Nobody
Yet, there are some so blinded by their own agendas they cannot see the bs right before their own eyes.

EXACTLY.

Just look at the headline of the article....the article itself says no such thing, as you justly point out.

But of course, as we've seen on this thread, the hatred of smokers is so ingrained that they refuse to acknowlege the difference between smoking and being exposed to the smoke of another. And when they are called on it.they disappear back under the rock from which they had emerged and all we hear are crickets chirping.

37 posted on 07/15/2006 10:38:46 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Just A Nobody

"Yet, there are some so blinded by their own agendas they cannot see the bs right before their own eyes"

So very true.


38 posted on 07/15/2006 10:41:27 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Moonman62
Children are especially vulnerable to the effects of secondhand smoking

Gee, ya THINK!?

39 posted on 07/15/2006 10:42:08 AM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: basil

Don't worry, they will find a way to blame smoking for the crisis in the middle east soon.. lol

Amazing that after ALL these years previous, where the majority of people smoked, kids seemed to be LESS sick then they are today.

Today kids are allergic to everything, take more pills than most seniors, and almost all have some kind of asthma.


40 posted on 07/15/2006 10:45:08 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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