Children who live with smokers have more respiratory complications during surgery

Eurekalert ^ | 07/14/06 | Children's Hospital Boston

[Just A Nobody]

they disappear back under the rock from which they had emerged and all we hear are crickets chirping.

Anything I can do to bring on that disappearance is a pleasure. I love the sound of crickets chirping. ;*)

[Trampled by Lambs]

"You are the one that brought up smoking."

Huh? The thread is *about* smoking...

"Is it right for the government to keep you from doing yourself harm? BS."

Are you an advocate for the legalization of drugs then? If not then that argument is, as you say, BS.

"This article is about ETS, not first hand smoking.
I've been studying the issue of ETS for a number of years now and haven't been able to find any conclusive proof that ETS does anyone any harm unless they have a preexisting medical condition."

In casual outdoor contact, I generally agree. In an enclosed environment over the long term, I think you are mistaken. However, my post was more to point out my general disgust with people that insist on defending smoking in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Do I think you're going to get cancer because of the guy smoking at the bus stop? Of course not. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be annoyed and move upwind of him.

"You may not like smoking anymore but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."

What does that sentence actually mean?

"The evidence is not there for banning smoking anywhere based on harm done by ETS to public health."

Again, I never said I advocate the banning of smoking nor would I ever. However, I wouldn't be sorry if smoking eventually became nothing more than an historical curiosty as in, "People actaully inhaled that stuff on purpose?"

[Just another Joe]

Huh? The thread is *about* smoking...

No, it's not. Go back and read the title and the article itself.

Are you an advocate for the legalization of drugs then? If not then that argument is, as you say, BS.

As a matter of fact, yes, I am.
It's called survival of the fittest.
If you want to kill yourself, quickly with an overdose or slowly using heroin or crack over a period of years, I say pour your own clorine in the gene pool.

Regulated and taxed I see no reason an adult should not make those decisions for themselves.

In an enclosed environment over the long term, I think you are mistaken.

There is no conclusive evidence. As a matter of fact more studies, about 75% to 80%, including three of the largest ever done, say there is no statistical evidence of ETS causing harm to an otherwise normal healthy person.

What does that sentence actually mean?

It means don't tell me that ETS causes harm to someone just because you don't like smoking anymore. There isn't even a preponderance of evidence, much less conclusive.

However, I wouldn't be sorry if smoking eventually became nothing more than an historical curiosty as in, "People actaully inhaled that stuff on purpose?"

That's your perogative. Just don't make the mistake of thinking the government should get involved on the basis of public health.

[Gabz]

Today kids are allergic to everything, take more pills than most seniors, and almost all have some kind of asthma.

UH OH........I must be a bad parent or something...my kid hardly ever gets sick, doesn't take pills, and only has similar seasonal allergies as her mommy and daddy (couldn't possibly be genetic now, could it?)

For the impaired - my comments are meant sarcastically, in that we have a very healthy 8yo.

[Trampled by Lambs]

There doesn't appear to be much point in continuing this except to say one last time that I never said anything about the gov't getting involved aside perhaps from simple education.

And to me it seems simple common sense that if inhaling the smoke directly from the cig is potentially harmful then it goes to follow that sitting in an enclosed space inhaling that same smoke could be harmful as well though to a lesser degree. Or do you believe that the smoker's lungs somehow cleanse the smoke of it's harmful effects before the exhale?

There may not be conclusive evidence as you say (I think that's debatable but I'd have to read up more to argue it) but I'm unwilling to take that chance with my family members. If you are then, by all means, knock yourself out.

[freepatriot32]

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Smoke in the Womb Makes Unruly Toddlers (acutal headline)

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[mugs99]

Dwight Jones, MD, of Children's Hospital Boston and Neil Bhattacharyya, MD, from Brigham and Women's Hospital

Before the end of the year deadly hospital infections, those contracted by otherwise healthy individuals while hospitalized for even routine procedures, will claim over 100,000 lives. As the fourth largest killer of Americans, these hospital infections kill more people each year than AIDS, breast cancer, and traffic accidents combined.

If Dwight Jones and Neil Bhattacharyya were really concerned about children, they would clean up their own filthy hospitals. It's more likely that kids will get sick and die from an infection contracted in the hospital than from second hand smoke.
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[Unassuaged]

Cigarette smoking in confined areas is relatively new, maybe 70 years. People are only now living long enough to die of smoking.

[Unassuaged]

And your post is relevent how?

[mysterio]

If you bothered to read the article you would see that the purpose of the article is to inform anesthesiologists so that they may provide better care for their patients.

I fail to see how lies are going to help anyone treat a patient. Smoke nazis are all heartless liars who must be stopped before they further enable our cancerous government.

[mysterio]

I spent decades being the only person in whatever part of the world I was in who didn't smoke.

That's impossible. If what your side claims is true, you would be dead right now.

[basil]

People are only now living long enough to die of smoking.

What total BS! Can you point us to a source that bears this out?

[383rr]

And how is #49 relevant??????

[383rr]

Nailed it.

[Moonman62]

Infections in hospitals are scandalous. Two Republican governors had serious complications from them recently. But that doesn't mean all medical research should stop because of it. Make hostpitals pay for the treatment of the effects of the infections rather than using them as profit centers. That would stop the problem.

[William Terrell]

Children who live with smokers have more respiratory complications during surgery during the Full Moon, with a Red Headed Anesthesiologist and Left Handed Surgeon.

[383rr]

"People are only now living long enough to die of smoking."

Um, uh, alrighty, then.

[mugs99]

But that doesn't mean all medical research should stop because of it

Two doctors making unsubstantiated claims is not medical research...it is quackery.
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[AnnaZ]

Sorry about your health troubles. I've never known any other child-of-a-smoker to have suffered so badly. Hope things are better now.

[AnnaZ]

Walking miracle here! Both my parents smoked and I never suffered any respritory problems or other side effects.

Oh, just wait... at the rate they're going, soon they'll blame the fact that you post on a right-wing website on it.

;^)