Skip to comments.7/16 Middle East Live Thread
Posted on 07/15/2006 11:24:32 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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no, not in Israel thank god. Now there are claims the oil refinery in Hafia was struck, not good if these weapon systems are sophisticated enough to hit specific installations, suggests at least some rudimentary guidance. We will now see if the Olmert govt. has the stones to take this conflict to the next level and deal with the heart of this problem and not just bomb empty buildings and bridges
Five Kassams land in Negev; none wounded
I think the server must be overloaded. I tried to watch the English channel one and it was cutting in and out.
When ever a defeated enemy calls your actions "disproportionate", you know they have been militarily successful.
Use 50 cal against AKs.
Use Striker and M1 armor against infantry.
Use Javelin and Hellfire against technicals.
Call in CAS early and often.
Rebel: post you want to know about -- keep safe and God bless you and all in harm's way.
U.S. prepares evacuation plan for Americans in Lebanon
Concerned about the fate of Americans in Israel's siege of Lebanon, the Pentagon and State Departments are developing plans in case a mass evacuation becomes necessary, officials said Saturday.
The U.S. government was not yet formally recommending evacuation, however.
"We're at a monitoring point," said a Pentagon spokesman, Army Lt. Col. Mark Ballesteros. "We're prepared to respond and provide assistance if required."
The State Department said it was considering various ways of helping Americans who wished to leave Lebanon by finding ways to transport them to Cyprus. There, they could catch commercial airline flights.
However, options for traveling to the island nation were limited, considering Israel's naval blockade of Lebanon's ports and the attacks that have left the airport in Beirut unusable.
U.S. officials declined to speculate on whether U.S. forces would provide helicopters or ships to transport people in the event of an evacuation.
The department said it had received reports that Americans fleeing overland to Syria were being denied visas and had been refused entry to the country.
1,884 posted on 07/16/2006 1:00:22 AM CDT by BurbankKarl
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10:24 PM: This is a difficult morning for all of us (Channel 10)
10:22 Hezbollah: If IAF continues Beirut strikes, we`ll hit petrochemical plants (Israel Radio)
10:20 Hezbollah identifies rockets that hit Haifa as Raad-2 and Raad-3 models (AP)
This thread needs to be put in the breaking news section
I guess Directv eliminated CNN International from its' service. Never thought I'd be wanting CNN for anything.
Border Police arrested 1,592 Palestinians who were in Israel illegally over the weekend.
Thirteen Israelis were arrested as well, on suspicion that they employed 23 of the illegal residents.
I know. LOL
HAIFA Street here is always on Condition Red. And the explosions we heard really did come from the southwest - the direction of Haifa Street.
I could make a crack about how we could take a lesson from them, but I'd be accused of trying to get another illegal immigration thread going.
man, even CNNI is doing canned stories...
10:27 Olmert: I`m proud to be a citizen in a country with security forces like ours (Channel 10)
10:26 Olmert: We have no intention to bow down before our enemies (Channel 10)
10:24 PM Ehud Olmert: This is a difficult morning for all of us (Channel 10)
"Major escalation hitting Hafia like this"
Even bigger is that Iran is now admitting that there are Iranian forces in Lebanon, directing/assisting the attacks and that it had supplied long range missles to Hezbollah.
The only way to put a stop to this is to nuke Iran and Syria into oblivion....and the US needs to make the first nuclear strike.
At least 8 civilians killed, 20-30 injured, in heavy Hizballlah rocket barrage of Haifa, Acre and Nahariya from Lebanon. At least 20 rockets counted in metropolitan Haifa - Upper Hadar, Krayot and Haifa Bay
July 16, 2006, 10:22 AM (GMT+02:00)
Most of the casualties, six in serious condition, at the main railway terminal near Checkpoint in Haifa. Hizballah reports improved Grad rockets fired in its deadliest attack so far in reprisal for air raids against Beirut. Their range is 35-40 km. Smoke clouds rise above Haifa Bay site of big port, industries and refineries. Close to a million residents of affected area and south advised to take shelter indoors and heed sirens. Heavy peak hour traffic heading into Israel's third largest city, Haifa, turned around and headed out of the city. Nahariya to the north is under Hizballah attack for fifth day, as are western Galilee moshavim.
Israeli artillery has opened heavy fire on sources of rocket fire in Lebanon.
Gathering from their response the last couple of days, I think they will respond with strength. The days over there are our nights, but I have been staing up as late as I can to keep up. My mother was a Hebrew so I have always had special interest in Isreal.
Israeli air force has targeted 11 Hizballah rocket crews in last 48 hours, two Saturday night
July 16, 2006, 10:19 AM (GMT+02:00)
The Israel navy continues to shell rocket stations on the Lebanese coast. The warships apply new counter-measures against Hizballah missiles.
FOX on live now.
In the S. Beirut suburb of Dahya, the Hizballahs command and communications compound was pounded; in the Beqaa Valley, Israeli warplanes raided Hizballah weapons stores, command posts, training camps and logistic centers. A Katyusha launch squad was struck. Also singled out for demolition were Lebanese army radar stations in the ports of Tripoli, Junya, Beirut and Sidon, which guided to target the Iran-made C-802 missile that struck the Israeli warship off Beirut Friday, July 14. One Israeli crewman was killed, three are missing. Israel continues to maintain its air, land and sea blockade of Lebanon and strikes against roads, bridges and airports - to restrict Hizballah terrorist movements and hamper their procurement of fresh weapons supplies and manpower.
Also destroyed Saturday, were the Beirut premises of Hamas senior operatives Muhammed Nazal and Muhammed Hamdan.
petrochemical installations in Israel's third-largest city of Haifa.
In a statement read on its TV station Al-Manar, Hizbullah said its military wing fired rockets on the port city but deliberately avoided hitting the petrochemical installations.
"The Islamic Resistance warns the Zionist of committing any new folly because it (Hizbullah) deliberately avoided the petrochemical installations," said the statement. "But next time, it (Hizbullah) will not spare anything in Haifa and its surroundings."
Perhaps daisycutters or MOABs would be better.
Let's not be hasty with the nukes. There are a LOT of Americans located right between Syria and Iran.
Yes, I saw that - calling Plame "a real life Jane Bond."
Why did Fox cut off their reporter? No wonder their ratings are tanking...
Unreal, why on earth does the stupid lady on FNC insist on trying to interrupt her way into Mike Tobin's live report?! How dumb is that? Cut him off when there's actual news in order to go back to a canned story?
They were the only ones still live and now we've got the stupid rerun...and he was there with plenty to still say.
I really had hopes that Fox might have better coverage after doing a better job of staying live this afternoon...guess not.
Meanwhile Dan Rather's rerun is over on CNN where he says the Bush National Guard story he ran was accurate.
I don't want nukes flying ANYWHERE unless they are an absolute necessity.
But, if you ARE going to use nukes, hit them where it'll really hurt....MECCA.
Does she think she gets to go home if she can get him off air? She probably thought she was being generous after trying twice to cut him off, but then giving him another minute each time till her voice over finally shut him down.
Very lame. I'm sure it's not really up to her, but seeing as she's never been one I'm crazy about over there, she did nothing to gain any respect in my book! LOL!
The Bradley's 25 mm. cannon with high explosive ammunition is also very effective against technicals. That reminds me of the remarkable "Taxi" story from the first incursion into Baghdad by the 3rd ID. The 3rd ID had paused to regroup and reload when a taxi loaded with explosive started driving towards them. An officer was so startled that the only thing he could think to say was "Taxi!", instead of giving an order like "fire on the taxi." Just like a cab driver responding to his call of "Taxi", the taxi started driving right towards the officer, but a Bradley next to the officer blasted it with the 25 mm cannon from about 100 feet away and that was the end of the taxi threat. The account I read didn't mention any secondary explosions.
I agree the IDF will resond in force, but the question is where. Bombing more empty buildings in Beruit won't do squat. They need to move into Southern Lebanon and take out those rocket installations and create a buffer for the Israeli population centers AND send a strong message to Damascus and Tehran, perferably by way of a 1000 lb. bomb
Kuwaitis burn a US flag during a protest in support of the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah in Kuwait City.
I hear some Apache helicopter engines warming up way in the distance.
"Israel Radio correspondent Mickey Gurdis complained in a live report of what
he termed a major security failure that the Arab news station, Aljazeera, is
broadcasting a live television feed of the bombing of Haifa from a camera
located at the top of the Carmel mountain in Haifa.
This enables the Hezbollah rocket teams to adjust their aim."
A fuel tank is set on fire in Jiyeh after being attacked by Israeli missiles in south Beirut July 16, 2006.
10:47 Death toll in Katyusha barrage on Haifa rises to nine (Haaretz)
10:41 Olmert: Rocket attacks will have `far reaching` consequences for Lebanon (Reuters)
Headline on Haaretz said that Hezbollah claims it has Raad 2 and Raad 3 missiles. Those would do it.
And who freed Kuwait from the Sunni occupiers?
That's gratitude for you.
Oh, that's nice, Kuwait.
You'd be southern Iraq if it weren't for the U.S.
That is the same thing that Al Jezeera was doing in Iraq....
Since martial law has been declared in northern Israel I don't see the problem.
Bye, bye al-Jezeera. (Or even better use their feed to send false information.)
i wasn't aware those missiles had any guidance capabilities. And now Olmert is saying this will have bad consequences for Lebanon; give me a break - this conflict NEEDS to be taken to the true culprits that are pulling Hizbullah strings in Damascus and Syria. My best bet is that if the IDF moves into Lebanon in force you will see Hafia and Tel Aviv come under fire
Well we probably have dumb f**k's in Berekely doing the same thing tonight. I was dumb too when I was the same age as those Kuwaitis.
meant to say Damascus and Tehran
I have a feeling that that camera/observation post is about to go bang.
3:45: Another attack underway. Also, INN is reporting that the location of the attack in haifa that caused 9 fatalities was a train maintenance depot.
FOX had a graphic on earlier in the evening while they were talking about Gaza. It showed Israeli jets bombing Iran - I think someone in the news room jumped the gun - but they're ready when it happens ...
So your mother was Jewish? That means you are too then, since, if I'm not mistaken, the blood line passes through the maternal side.
They might not. I did a quick google and one source seemed to suggest that it was equipped with a self-guidance device and the other seemed to suggest that it was not.
I'd love to be added to this ping list.