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OU death not linked to terrorism
http://www.newsok.com/article/2773138 ^ | Sun July 16, 2006 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 07/16/2006 9:04:08 AM PDT by MizSterious

OU death not linked to terrorism

By Nolan Clay
The FBI concluded a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up last year on campus was not a terrorist, the top agent in Oklahoma says.

"We have no evidence he had a social or political agenda that he was trying to bring attention to," said Salvador Hernandez, the FBI's special agent in charge in Oklahoma.

"We don't consider this terrorism the way we define it," he said. "There would have to be a cause."

Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III, an engineering student, died Oct. 1 when his bomb went off at a campus bench a short distance from an OU night football game.

Fans inside the packed stadium heard the blast during the second quarter of OU's game against Kansas State.

Hernandez spoke about the investigation to the media for the first time last week as he prepares to end his two-year stint in Oklahoma. He has been promoted to a new position with the FBI in Washington.

He disclosed the FBI interviewed more than 200 people during the bombing investigation but never found any evidence that Hinrichs had extremist views or ties to extremist groups.

Hernandez would not speculate whether the student intentionally set off the bomb on the bench as a suicide or if he also had intended to harm others and the bomb went off prematurely.

"None of us can know what was going on in his head," Hernandez told The Oklahoman.

Hernandez described Hinrichs, 21, as a loner who had a longtime interest in explosives.

Hinrichs, who was from Colorado Springs, Colo., was very bright, but his grades had slipped at OU, the agent said. Hinrichs belonged to the Triangle Fraternity, an organization of engineers, but just didn't seem to fit in, the agent said.

Hernandez said agents did not find any conclusive evidence Hinrichs tried to enter the stadium. They found no evidence he bought or tried to buy a football ticket, Hernandez said.

The top agent also said two ticket-takers who saw Hinrichs' photo in the media thought they might have seen him outside the stadium but they could not provide descriptive information when interviewed.

Agents viewed hours and hours of tapes from stadium security cameras but never spotted Hinrichs, Hernandez said.

Agents also turned up no evidence Hinrichs ever went to the mosque near his apartment, Hernandez said.

He said fellow students knew Hinrichs was interested in and had experimented with bombs and they should have reported it to law enforcement.

"People should be more vigilant or more responsible and bring this stuff forward," he said.

Officials said earlier that Hinrichs built the bomb from hydrogen peroxide and acetone. The explosive is known as triacetone triperoxide or TATP.

In the interview with The Oklahoman, Hernandez revealed these new details about the bombing:

Using receipts, agents determined Hinrichs bought the bomb ingredients from local retail stores a few days before. One store had a video camera and agents reviewed the tape from it. Hinrichs was alone.

Agents could not reconstruct much of what Hinrichs did the day of the bombing, a Saturday. They believe he was on the Internet in the morning. They believe about 6:15 p.m. he typed, "None of you are worth living with. You can all kiss my ass," on his apartment computer. They believe he then walked to where he died. The bomb went off about 7:30 p.m.

Hinrichs made a final payment on handlebars for his mountain bike a few days before the bombing.

Hinrichs apparently was carrying the TATP around in a plastic container and could have accidentally set the volatile bomb off by simply opening the container.

The bomb did not go off in Hinrichs' backpack.

FBI agents interviewed some witnesses who live in Europe and had dealt with Hinrichs on eBay, the Internet auction site.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomber; bs; bull; coverup; domesticterrorism; hinrichs; norman; ou; oubombing; suicidebomber
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To: MizSterious

Stop lying.


141 posted on 07/21/2006 12:37:42 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MizSterious

Nice try but there is no comparison between OKC and this guy's actions or backgrounds. But I am sure that won't stop you from lying about it.


142 posted on 07/21/2006 12:39:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I'm not the one lying. I've seen useful idiots like you before, I'm sure you won't be the last.


143 posted on 07/21/2006 2:22:11 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

YW. Just one more note ... LE found 9 more detonators already made, stored in a closet. I had read that the London bombers had 30 detonators made, which were found afterwards.

The media seems to have been mistaken when they reported that the TATP was "on the stove" and had been "cooking." The latest word was that it exploded when it was "moved" and another media source said "handled."

When they showed the inside of the gutted apartment on the news last night, there were empty 2-liter soda pop bottles everywhere on the floor and I remembered that Hinrichs also had lots and lots of them in the trunk of his car; don't recall whether they found a bunch of them inside his apt or not.

If the finished product is so volatile, I can't imagine that they put huge quantities of it in those bottles - or maybe they do, since the detonators are not in proximity. However, if heat, friction or movement can cause a detonation, seems to me there would be few things that *aren't* detonators.

I still don't get how Hinrichs walked around or biked around with it on his person without blowing up before he did.


144 posted on 07/22/2006 4:47:01 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

Oh, also, they showed some people from the NYPD bomb squad down here visiting the site and taking lots of pictures - the voice-over said they were studying the case for help in dealing with terrorism.


145 posted on 07/22/2006 4:48:35 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66; PhiKapMom

This is almost deja vu all over again. I have heard that about TATP, and apparently, the older it is, the more unstable it becomes (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this). As for how Hinrichs moved it around as we know he did, it's possible that with his engineering background, he was more exacting in putting together his recipe--and his ME roommie might be the more experienced of the two, also. (We hear nothing else of the roommate...did he use that one way ticket to the middle eastern country?)


146 posted on 07/22/2006 5:45:26 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

It wasn't his roommate who had the ticket. It was someone unrelated to the Hinrichs case.

It was a visiting OU professor from Algeria who was leaving to go back to Algeria the next day. He was among the people detained that night because the roommate, Cheema, had gone to a small party at another apartment in the complex and FBI wanted to question all of them who were there. It had nothing to do with Hinrichs. Cheema is Pakistani, not from Africa.


147 posted on 07/22/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: MizSterious

You are most certainly lying about where I obtain information. You are merely deluded as to the validity of yours.


148 posted on 07/24/2006 6:41:26 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MizSterious; PhiKapMom
Hinrichs apparently was carrying the TATP around in a plastic container and could have accidentally set the volatile bomb off by simply opening the container.

It's true he could set it off by opening the container. However, given that the sound was easily heard inside a packed stadium (By hearwitness FReeper PhiKapMom!) means that it would have had to be a pretty large container.

Then there was all the other bomb making material found in his apartment. PhiKapMom also heard the detonation of that by the bomb squad, despite the bomb squads facility being some distance from her home. The stuff stinks too, I'd think that not only his roommate, but the neighbors in the nearby apartments would have smelled the stuff. By all reports most of the them were Muslims though, so maybe they didn't find the stench unusual, just somebody building a bomb.

149 posted on 11/14/2006 6:11:46 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Note to self: Don't move to OK. The cops there are clueless. ;)

Not the locals, the FBI. Living elsewhere won't help, unless it's Australia, but then again they have their own problems with "Lebanese" yutes.

150 posted on 11/14/2006 6:14:13 AM PST by El Gato
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There is NO evidence that he did.

Even the article admits there is *some*, that being the ticket takers who thought they saw him. It's weak evidence, but it is evidence

One must be careful of making absolute statements.

151 posted on 11/14/2006 6:21:03 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

The ticket takers seem to have disappeared. Rumors of what alleged ticket takers MIGHT have seen or MIGHT have said are not evidence outside of Kangaroo Courts.


152 posted on 11/14/2006 9:03:18 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MizSterious

Key sentence: "We don't consider this terrorism the way we define it," he said.


153 posted on 11/14/2006 9:04:39 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: txflake

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154 posted on 11/14/2006 9:20:47 AM PST by pepperdog (I hate the lying MSM)
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