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OU death not linked to terrorism
http://www.newsok.com/article/2773138 ^ | Sun July 16, 2006 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 07/16/2006 9:04:08 AM PDT by MizSterious

OU death not linked to terrorism

By Nolan Clay
The FBI concluded a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up last year on campus was not a terrorist, the top agent in Oklahoma says.

"We have no evidence he had a social or political agenda that he was trying to bring attention to," said Salvador Hernandez, the FBI's special agent in charge in Oklahoma.

"We don't consider this terrorism the way we define it," he said. "There would have to be a cause."

Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III, an engineering student, died Oct. 1 when his bomb went off at a campus bench a short distance from an OU night football game.

Fans inside the packed stadium heard the blast during the second quarter of OU's game against Kansas State.

Hernandez spoke about the investigation to the media for the first time last week as he prepares to end his two-year stint in Oklahoma. He has been promoted to a new position with the FBI in Washington.

He disclosed the FBI interviewed more than 200 people during the bombing investigation but never found any evidence that Hinrichs had extremist views or ties to extremist groups.

Hernandez would not speculate whether the student intentionally set off the bomb on the bench as a suicide or if he also had intended to harm others and the bomb went off prematurely.

"None of us can know what was going on in his head," Hernandez told The Oklahoman.

Hernandez described Hinrichs, 21, as a loner who had a longtime interest in explosives.

Hinrichs, who was from Colorado Springs, Colo., was very bright, but his grades had slipped at OU, the agent said. Hinrichs belonged to the Triangle Fraternity, an organization of engineers, but just didn't seem to fit in, the agent said.

Hernandez said agents did not find any conclusive evidence Hinrichs tried to enter the stadium. They found no evidence he bought or tried to buy a football ticket, Hernandez said.

The top agent also said two ticket-takers who saw Hinrichs' photo in the media thought they might have seen him outside the stadium but they could not provide descriptive information when interviewed.

Agents viewed hours and hours of tapes from stadium security cameras but never spotted Hinrichs, Hernandez said.

Agents also turned up no evidence Hinrichs ever went to the mosque near his apartment, Hernandez said.

He said fellow students knew Hinrichs was interested in and had experimented with bombs and they should have reported it to law enforcement.

"People should be more vigilant or more responsible and bring this stuff forward," he said.

Officials said earlier that Hinrichs built the bomb from hydrogen peroxide and acetone. The explosive is known as triacetone triperoxide or TATP.

In the interview with The Oklahoman, Hernandez revealed these new details about the bombing:

Using receipts, agents determined Hinrichs bought the bomb ingredients from local retail stores a few days before. One store had a video camera and agents reviewed the tape from it. Hinrichs was alone.

Agents could not reconstruct much of what Hinrichs did the day of the bombing, a Saturday. They believe he was on the Internet in the morning. They believe about 6:15 p.m. he typed, "None of you are worth living with. You can all kiss my ass," on his apartment computer. They believe he then walked to where he died. The bomb went off about 7:30 p.m.

Hinrichs made a final payment on handlebars for his mountain bike a few days before the bombing.

Hinrichs apparently was carrying the TATP around in a plastic container and could have accidentally set the volatile bomb off by simply opening the container.

The bomb did not go off in Hinrichs' backpack.

FBI agents interviewed some witnesses who live in Europe and had dealt with Hinrichs on eBay, the Internet auction site.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomber; bs; bull; coverup; domesticterrorism; hinrichs; norman; ou; oubombing; suicidebomber
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Much is NOT being told here, such as this fellow's contacts with the Islamic Society (mere blocks from where he lived, and from OU) and his Islamic roommate (Pakistani, if memory serves) who had a one-way ticket to a middle-eastern country.
1 posted on 07/16/2006 9:04:09 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious

Baloney


2 posted on 07/16/2006 9:07:52 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Peace Through Victory)
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To: doug from upland; PhiKapMom; ovrtaxt; Shermy; LibertyRocks

The latest on this story. For those of us who live nearby: don't we just feel so secure now? (/sarcasm)


3 posted on 07/16/2006 9:08:04 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

There go my damn lying eyes again. Similar to the attack by a filthy Muslim on the LAX El Al ticket counter, no terrorism. What does the government hope to gain by these wild claims?


4 posted on 07/16/2006 9:08:20 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Lexington Green

Baloney to which? My comment, or the FBI's?


5 posted on 07/16/2006 9:08:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious
"None of us can know what was going on in his head,"


Yes we do....Texas' Vince Young kicked OU's a$$ and won the national championship. There are rumors that several other OU folks did the same thing! :)
6 posted on 07/16/2006 9:10:34 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: MizSterious

To me, the fact that the guy was wearing a bomb vest is all the evidence I need. Yet these guys say there is "no evidence." Are these guys blind? It seems that there is a lot of effort by certain authorities to dispel the idea that we have a problem with terrorism.


7 posted on 07/16/2006 9:10:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: MizSterious

A student with a backpack (and door room) full of explosives blows himself up outside a packed stadium and we're supposed to believe the FBI that this was not terrorism. I guess it is all in the definition of 'what is is'. I guess the FBI can claim it was not terrorism because the student, thankfully, only managed to blow himself up and not injure or kill anyone else.


8 posted on 07/16/2006 9:11:23 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: MizSterious

the FBI's


9 posted on 07/16/2006 9:11:57 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Peace Through Victory)
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To: ncountylee

Same with the Murrah Building bombing, too--Jayna Davis uncovered so much evidence that there was a middle-eastern connection and that it was an act of terrorism using McVey and Nichols (and that Clinton was more than happy to go along with it, so he could paint Rush and Republicans as "hate-filled"). If I remember correctly, the FBI man heading that investigation was promoted, too.


10 posted on 07/16/2006 9:13:27 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

Did Jim Kalstrom make that decision because it sure sounds like another TWA 800 fairytale?


11 posted on 07/16/2006 9:13:51 AM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

"There is no evidence that Salvador Hernandez consulted with Kalstrom before issuing this statement..."

;)


12 posted on 07/16/2006 9:15:23 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: PhiKapMom

Is this deliberate misinformation, or are our law enforcement really this stupid?


13 posted on 07/16/2006 9:15:28 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: MizSterious

This sounds like the reporting of a drive-by shooting in Detroit. You get a whole lot of BS... and little solid information.


14 posted on 07/16/2006 9:15:28 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: MizSterious

"We don't consider this terrorism the way WE define it," he said. "There would have to be a CAUSE."

Note to self: Don't move to OK. The cops there are clueless. ;)


15 posted on 07/16/2006 9:15:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Lexington Green
The sad part is how many Americans will buy this.

If he'd gotten into the stadium, we'd get a final report about the terrible explosion caused by a natural gas leak at the hot-dog stand.
16 posted on 07/16/2006 9:15:40 AM PDT by null and void (It's a crazy world. Someone ought to sell tickets.)
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To: Peach
Is this deliberate misinformation, or are our law enforcement really this stupid?

No. They think we're really that stupid.

17 posted on 07/16/2006 9:17:06 AM PDT by null and void (It's a crazy world. Someone ought to sell tickets.)
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To: MizSterious; genefromjersey

My wife, Morgan Fairchild--yeah Morgan Fairchild--were discussing this very issue at a dinner party hosted by George Washington and ...ummmm... and Mao--yeah Mao. And Morgan turns to John Philip Souza and says Heinrich wasn't a terrorist...yeah, that's the ticket.

~~Jon Lovitz as The LIAR (SNL)
18 posted on 07/16/2006 9:18:07 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Our cops are pretty good, it's the federal pressure on them to shut the heck up that's the problem. The Norman police did a pretty good job, but were told to sit on what they found.


19 posted on 07/16/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Note to self: Don't move to OK. The cops there are clueless. ;)



No, our cops know the truth. The FBI and ATF took over the entire investigation and removed the evidence...and to think it was just a simple suicide.


20 posted on 07/16/2006 9:19:38 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: null and void

Do you think they believe what they're saying?


21 posted on 07/16/2006 9:21:07 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: sully777

They sure made a lot of changes at the stadium after this--considering it was a "simple suicide" and all. This statement just floors me. And he gets a promotion.


22 posted on 07/16/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious; sully777

That explains it, then. :)


23 posted on 07/16/2006 9:22:09 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Peach

I sure don't. I think Dave Boren and others from OU (pretty powerful, politically) got them to shut this up to keep students and donations coming to OU. (Who wants to send their kids to a terrorist nest? Yet, despite putting lipstick on this particular pig, that's exactly what it is, has been, and will likely continue to be the way things are looking.)


24 posted on 07/16/2006 9:23:35 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: null and void
One thing I've noticed under both Clinton and Bush is that terrorist attacks are written off as something else unless the evidence is so overwhelming and filmed and broadcast live that the spokespeople can't deny it and keep a straight face. Remember the plane that crashed in NY about a week after the WTC fell? The Florida kid that flew a light plane into a skyscraper? The LAX attack has already been mentioned on this thread.

I'm also wondering about the building that blew up in NYC last week. It could have been a guy killing himself, but blowing up a four story building is a pretty extreme form of suicide. I don't have any evidence to the contrary, but I sure don't trust reports from government officials.

25 posted on 07/16/2006 9:24:51 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: MizSterious

Interesting -- I'll bet that's the exactly correct assessment of why they're saying this too, Miz.


26 posted on 07/16/2006 9:25:42 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: MizSterious
What's the motivation of the FiBIrs? What and who are they protecting? Could we have some intel sources that would be compromised by the sudden and massive detention, and deportation or the slaves of satan/allah?

Pure speculation... Still you have to wonder.... Klintoons motives were reaaallly shallow.... Bushs are much harder to read.

27 posted on 07/16/2006 9:25:50 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: Richard Kimball

Remember also the shoe bomber. At first they tried to paint him as a mostly harmless nut, and tried to say the shoe bomb would have done no serious damage. But it didn't work because a lot of people knew the bomb could have done some real harm.

The building in NYC was, I think, a genuine suicide nut case. The perp died overnight, I think. A terrorist would have likely done something that would have harmed more civilians--they like to hurt women and children, brave he-men that they are...


28 posted on 07/16/2006 9:27:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Peach
Do you think they believe what they're saying?

No. Nobody allowed in public without an escort is that stupid.

29 posted on 07/16/2006 9:29:24 AM PDT by null and void (It's a crazy world. Someone ought to sell tickets.)
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To: ncountylee

Di I need to post the "Shut Up Be Happy" song again. Nothing to see here folks, move along.


30 posted on 07/16/2006 9:29:59 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: null and void

Well, except Cindy Sheehan....


31 posted on 07/16/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious
The FBI concluded a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up last year on campus was not a terrorist

That's what they always say. I say BS!

Our government is insulting our intelligence.

Just like: "Lets just keep the Southern Border open even though Hezbolla has entered through it..nothing to see here..move along.."

32 posted on 07/16/2006 9:32:12 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: rawcatslyentist

"What's the motivation of the FiBIrs? What and who are they protecting?".....

their butts. You see, in Washington if you screw the pooch publically, the sh%tstorm that hits Capitol Hill from flyover country brings Congressional investigations...etc..etc.


33 posted on 07/16/2006 9:33:06 AM PDT by mo
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To: Richard Kimball
I think that our 'betters' believe that acknowledging a terrorist attack gives the terrorists a victory.

They might also be just the teensiest bit afraid that we would be wakened and filled with a terrible resolve...

34 posted on 07/16/2006 9:33:09 AM PDT by null and void (It's a crazy world. Someone ought to sell tickets.)
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To: MizSterious

She travels with her handlers...


35 posted on 07/16/2006 9:34:15 AM PDT by null and void (It's a crazy world. Someone ought to sell tickets.)
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To: Lexington Green; MizSterious

More of the same baloney and we all know it.


36 posted on 07/16/2006 9:35:00 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: MizSterious
He also fails to mention that Hinrichs tried to buy ammonium nitrate a couple of days before his "suicide", but that he was stopped by a salesman who is obviously more intelligent than this (promoted! of course!) agent.

ARGH!

37 posted on 07/16/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: MizSterious

Lots of muslim terrorist links are being swept under the carpet. Why do we do this? Is it because we're afraid that the people who are trying to kill us might get angry?


38 posted on 07/16/2006 9:36:58 AM PDT by watchin (Facts irritate liberals)
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To: MizSterious
I know I feel ever so much safer.

L

39 posted on 07/16/2006 9:39:41 AM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: MizSterious; dead
BTW, I'm not a racial profiler, I'm a facial-hair profiler:



Sorry, but the beard gives this little jihadi-wannabe's game away.

40 posted on 07/16/2006 9:40:24 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: watchin

Well, in Norman I think they're trying to "protect" the university's bank accounts (at least partly)--but on the federal level, I think they're afraid some of us might think Islam isn't the "religion of peace" they keep trying to tell us it is.


41 posted on 07/16/2006 9:40:47 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: AnnaZ; PhiKapMom

Exactly. As soon as I saw that picture, I knew. Anyone wanting to read older threads (keyword OUbombing), be sure to look up some of PhiKapMom's accounts of what she saw and heard--she was at the game that day (so very thankful this didn't blow up where/when it was supposed to).


42 posted on 07/16/2006 9:43:29 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious
Isn't it interesting that this *updated* story comes out right after a Manhattan doctor tries to blow himself (and his building) up?

No one is going to say that the doctor is a terrorist, just because he created that huge explosion.

Now, if you look at the facts, clearly OU is terrorist related. But, if the public doesn't know any better, and media is leaving out those details, then papers like NewsOk can fly this stuff over people's heads.

I question the timing here.
43 posted on 07/16/2006 9:44:40 AM PDT by jdm
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To: MizSterious
"None of you are worth living with. You can all kiss my ass,"

On the opus scale this about a 2, but I'll bump it to an 8 for follow through.

44 posted on 07/16/2006 9:44:48 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MizSterious

FBI has little or no credibility after these many years of covering up acts of terrorism. And purpetrating others against US citizens. Too much big government with an agenda. I am looking for a long term move out of the country. It will get worse, trust me....


45 posted on 07/16/2006 9:45:31 AM PDT by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: MizSterious
Apparently to be terrorism as defined by the FBI the perp must...

1. Wave a muslim flag during the attack.

2. Be a native of a nation with an islamic terrorist history.

3. Yell "allahahu akbar!" before the attack.

4. Be seen in a time-stamped video with osama bin ladin.

5. Leave a detailed confession explaining that this was a terrorist attack.

6. Have corroborating testimony from 4 co-conspirators, each of whom must be registered members of a recognized terrorist group.

7. Cause injury or death of not less than 37 persons.

8. A claim of responsibility must be received from a recognized terrorist group within 48 hours of the attack.

9. The attack must occur within the island of Manhattan or Washington, DC. (Outer boroughs, Maryland and Virginia do not count.)

If all of these requirements are met, the Director of the FBI can consider declaring the incident a terrorist action.
46 posted on 07/16/2006 9:47:17 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Richard Kimball
but I sure don't trust reports from government officials.

Smart approach.

The Government, these days, does not trust the People either. Fine by me.

47 posted on 07/16/2006 9:50:06 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: Richard Kimball
but I sure don't trust reports from government officials.

Smart approach.

The Government, these days, does not trust the People either. Fine by me.

48 posted on 07/16/2006 9:50:07 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: ncountylee
What does the government hope to gain by these wild claims?

Simple. A continued false peace here in the USA. The Government does not want us to remember WHO owns this country...

49 posted on 07/16/2006 9:57:05 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: AnnaZ
Sorry, but the beard gives this little jihadi-wannabe's game away.

Wot, he's Amish?

50 posted on 07/16/2006 10:06:24 AM PDT by Grut
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