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Rural Terrorists in America
Strategy Page ^ | July 17, 2006 | Not Cited

Posted on 07/17/2006 6:03:37 AM PDT by conservativecorner

As the FBI digs deeper into the world of Islamic extremist groups in the United States, it has encountered a growing number of them operating in rural areas. Jamaat ul Fuqra is a group that began in Pakistan, where most members still reside, but has spread to North America over the last two decades. Many members have been busted for various crimes, usually ones related to fraud and abuse of social welfare programs.

The Muslims of America organization recruits in prisons, and has already produced a number of Islamic terrorists. What worries the FBI is the many more members who talk-the-talk, but have not yet moved to the walk-the-walk phase yet. Even if these groups are not actively carrying out terrorist acts, their preaching and everyday conversations indicate they would provide support services for any "holy warriors" that came knocking.

These groups have survived because they have learned how to work the system, including the FBI, and whatever counter-terrorism mojo that gets thrown at them. A major part of their defenses is their insularity, even from other Moslems. In fact, Jamaat ul Fuqra considers less conservative Moslems as heretics. Many of the Fuqra folks prefer to live out in the country, and create as much isolation for themselves as possible. Finding out what's going on in these groups is much more difficult than with people in the general Moslem population. While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens, and willing to send in tips about possible terrorist groups, outfits like Jamaat ul Fuqra just don't do that sort of thing, and react violently if they find any of their members doing so.

On the plus side, many of these extremist or conservative Moslem groups know, or suspect, that they are being watched. Any move to carry out a terrorist attack would bring the law down on them and, their families. So far, the only terrorist action out of these groups have been false starts or suspicious, not indictable, activity. But the potential is there, and it's scary.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blackmuslims; fuqra; jamaatulfuqra; jihadinamerica; koranimals; mosquewatch; prisonconverts; religionofpieces; sleepercells; trop

1 posted on 07/17/2006 6:03:38 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens, and willing to send in tips about possible terrorist groups, outfits like Jamaat ul Fuqra just don't do that sort of thing, and react violently if they find any of their members doing so.

The sort of Muslim who tips off the authorities to terror activity is the apostate, not the true believer.

2 posted on 07/17/2006 6:08:38 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: conservativecorner
While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens

Never seen any proof of this this - and have seen lots to the contrary...

3 posted on 07/17/2006 6:10:24 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: conservativecorner

It says they recruit in prison. I'm confused, though, do they recruit 'traditional' islamists from overseas who somehow are in U.S. prisons, or are they also recruiting those who follow the 'nation of islam' sect?

From my understanding NOI has little to do with 'mainstream' islam, so I don't see where they would have any sort of ideological ties. As far as I know NOI and black muslims don't believe in the destruction or overthrow of the U.S. government, only segregation. But who knows what these groups think.


4 posted on 07/17/2006 6:11:45 AM PDT by World_Events
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To: conservativecorner
Even if these groups are not actively carrying out terrorist acts, their preaching and everyday conversations indicate they would provide support services for any "holy warriors" that came knocking.

Why did the name CAIR just pop into my mind while reading that line?

5 posted on 07/17/2006 6:12:20 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: conservativecorner

I bet this article is right on. I remember driving through northern Maryland a few years ago pre-9/11 in a rural area and hearing an all Arabic station on the AM dial.


6 posted on 07/17/2006 6:12:48 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: 2banana

"While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens"

I agree with you, this is standard PC boilerplate. When someone wants to be un-PC, they have to bow to the PC powers with they obligatory chant. Then they can launch into their thought.


7 posted on 07/17/2006 6:16:52 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conservativecorner

I kind of like the fact the author used Moslem (an Arabic word meaning oppressor, but which sounds like Muslim--they really hate it), but Mohammedan is better (they hate it even more).


8 posted on 07/17/2006 6:20:47 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: conservativecorner
The disturbing thing about these groups being out in the country is that their members can acquire farms and, in the guise of buying fertilizer, acquire lots of ammonium nitrate for bomb making. Then all they need to do is get the detonators.
9 posted on 07/17/2006 6:24:04 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: conservativecorner

I think jihad terrorist camps in this rural area would be noticed by the Michigan militia, which is entirely made up of the FBI, ATF, EPA, CDC and a dozen other federal agencies with nothing to do.

On the other hand, maybe not.


10 posted on 07/17/2006 6:25:54 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Global warming will soon cause people to spontaneously combust while walking down the street.)
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To: libstripper

Actually, I think "farmers" can purchase dynamite, without having to get permits, etc. For land clearing, stump removal, etc.


11 posted on 07/17/2006 6:27:31 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: 2banana
"...loyal citizens..."
Name one.
12 posted on 07/17/2006 6:32:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: conservativecorner

They didn't even go into the large number of Hezballah and Hamas cells in the American heartland. And while they mention recruiting in prisons, no mention at all of all the recruiting going on at the universities, including our own OU in Norman, where one of their recruits blew himself up--alone, thankfully, although there is some evidence he wanted to take some of the 90,000 sports fans at the stadium with him. (Note: FBI says that incident had nothing to do with terrorism, but local LEOs think otherwise.)


13 posted on 07/17/2006 6:39:12 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: All

I would love to participate in a "baiting" scam with the foreign countries who fund these idiots.
We use the same method of having fun with the Nigerian email scammers.
Basically, you "pretend" to be a victim in order to consume their resources.
Imagine if thousands of people falsely claimed to have a desire to carry our "jihad" and requested funds in order to follow through.
This would put throw a wrench in the gears, they wouldn't know WHO to trust, and if they did, their money would dry up fast.
Problem is, you would quickly fall under the scrutiny of the FBI and land in jail. This would also likely seriously taint the intelligence pool our officials use with false positives.

but wouldn't it be funny!


14 posted on 07/17/2006 6:40:04 AM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: JimRed

(Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray


A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it's no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations. While Arabs have been migrating to the United States for over a century, until the 1960s, most of those migrants were Arab Christians, or Jews. Once Israel was founded, the Middle Eastern Jews generally went to Israel, while Arab Christians continued to head for America. Then came the large waves of Arab Moslems. The established Arab-Americans did not have close ties with the growing number of Arab Moslem migrants. There were some pan-Arab organizations, but the Arab Moslems tended to keep to themselves. This was no surprise to the Arab-American Christians, as their ancestors had come to American to escape persecution by Moslems back home. Old animosities die hard.

But many of the Moslem Arab-Americans took to the idea of "becoming Americans," without leaving behind all their cultural baggage from the old country. It was these first and second generation Arab-Americans, as well as Moslem migrants from other parts of the world, that provided the FBI with information about what was going on inside the hundreds of Moslem communities. While there have been some arrests, and prosecutions of American Moslems for terrorist activity, many more pro-terrorist groups simply dissolved when it became known, via some official visits, or gossip, that the feds knew what was going on in the community. The prosecutions that did take place around the country, like the recent one in New York City, almost always resulted in convictions and long sentences. Suddenly, it was no longer a game to sit around and pretend you were going to be a "holy warrior" and bring death and destruction to the Great Satan (the U.S.). Few of the informants within the communities were revealed, and those that tried to ferret them out, or persecute suspected informants, found themselves the subject of police investigation and hostility from the Moslem community. This had a strong deterrent effect on Islamic militants trying to create "liberated zones" in the United States. This was a major difference with the situation in Europe, where many Moslem communities are very pro-terrorist.
(snip)


15 posted on 07/17/2006 6:44:39 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: brownsfan

Or it might be true.


16 posted on 07/17/2006 6:45:30 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: conservativecorner
Rural Terrorists in America

An Arab with a chaw of tobacco and driving a pickup just popped into mind. Albillybob Jaffar.

17 posted on 07/17/2006 6:50:23 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Valin

"Or it might be true."

I'd require proof.


18 posted on 07/17/2006 7:01:54 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conservativecorner

Up against the wall Jamaat Fuqra!"


19 posted on 07/17/2006 7:22:06 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: brownsfan

They are very loyal to the Wahabites..


20 posted on 07/17/2006 7:22:59 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: N. Theknow
An Arab with a chaw of tobacco and driving a pickup just popped into mind. Albillybob Jaffar.

Kind of like to joke about the Minnesotan that married a Pali, and named their firstborn Yassir Youbetcha.

21 posted on 07/17/2006 7:28:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Kind of like to joke about the Minnesotan that married a Pali, and named their firstborn Yassir Youbetcha.

Was the 2nd born named Ali-Uffda?

22 posted on 07/17/2006 7:58:02 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: conservativecorner

The elite the FBI work for brought them here in the first place, then they turn around and use the problems they caused to justify grabbing more power. Neat, sweet, petite.


23 posted on 07/17/2006 10:58:22 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: brownsfan

Muslims for America (Formaly Muslims for Bush)
http://www.muslimsforamerica.us/

Free Muslims Against Terrorism
http://www.freemuslims.org/

The Center for Islamic Pluralism
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/

Calif. mosque fires Islamic leader accused of supporting Osama bin Laden
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 6/28/05
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433820/posts

Columbus, Ohio, native, Sunni Muslim fights in Global War on Terrorism
Marine Corps News ^ | July 27, 2005 | Cpl. Ken Melton
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1451921/posts

"I Punched Saddam in the Mouth"
River Front Times ^ | April 13, 2005 | CHAD GARRISON
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1391805/posts

India town buries U.S. Muslim soldier slain in Iraq
Reuters ^ | 9/4/04
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477079/posts

To name but a few.


24 posted on 07/17/2006 2:09:54 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: jordan8

(Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray


A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it's no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations. While Arabs have been migrating to the United States for over a century, until the 1960s, most of those migrants were Arab Christians, or Jews. Once Israel was founded, the Middle Eastern Jews generally went to Israel, while Arab Christians continued to head for America. Then came the large waves of Arab Moslems. The established Arab-Americans did not have close ties with the growing number of Arab Moslem migrants. There were some pan-Arab organizations, but the Arab Moslems tended to keep to themselves. This was no surprise to the Arab-American Christians, as their ancestors had come to American to escape persecution by Moslems back home. Old animosities die hard.

But many of the Moslem Arab-Americans took to the idea of "becoming Americans," without leaving behind all their cultural baggage from the old country. It was these first and second generation Arab-Americans, as well as Moslem migrants from other parts of the world, that provided the FBI with information about what was going on inside the hundreds of Moslem communities. While there have been some arrests, and prosecutions of American Moslems for terrorist activity, many more pro-terrorist groups simply dissolved when it became known, via some official visits, or gossip, that the feds knew what was going on in the community. The prosecutions that did take place around the country, like the recent one in New York City, almost always resulted in convictions and long sentences. Suddenly, it was no longer a game to sit around and pretend you were going to be a "holy warrior" and bring death and destruction to the Great Satan (the U.S.). Few of the informants within the communities were revealed, and those that tried to ferret them out, or persecute suspected informants, found themselves the subject of police investigation and hostility from the Moslem community. This had a strong deterrent effect on Islamic militants trying to create "liberated zones" in the United States. This was a major difference with the situation in Europe, where many Moslem communities are very pro-terrorist.

But there are still many within the Moslem community who want to carry out terrorist attacks. These people have learned to be careful what they say, and who they talk to. They have become learned in how the American judicial system works, and don't give the FBI an excuse to make arrests, or launch aggressive investigations. For example, police in some parts of the country believe that a few of the "self-defense" groups formed in Mosques have motives beyond protecting the Mosque from anti-Moslem terrorists.

Another good source of intelligence on America based terrorists has been the thousands of terrorist suspects arrested overseas. Many of these men have become cooperative. For example, of the seven different detention centers at Guantanamo Bay, one of them is set aside for "cooperatives." These men get much better treatment, and protection from the hard core terrorists who still comprise most of the other inmates. Most cooperatives aren't sure if they can go home now, because word of their cooperation could get them killed once they are outside Guantanamo Bay. But other resettlement options can be offered, depending on how cooperative the cooperatives can be. The result is often names of pro-terrorist people who have immigrated to the United States, or those in various parts of the world who know something about who is who (terrorist wise) in the United States.

As successful as the informant program has been, it only has to fail once to get a lot of Americans killed, and give al Qaeda a tremendous morale boost. The terrorists know that, so they keep trying.


25 posted on 07/17/2006 2:12:10 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: conservativecorner

bttt


26 posted on 07/17/2006 2:13:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Valin
Oh, you're a Minnesota conservative. I was going to take a shot, but I'll just note that it's not exactly a red state.

I'd counter with:

CAIR

Faithfreedom

Prohpet of Doom
27 posted on 07/17/2006 2:49:34 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan

I was going to take a shot, but I'll just note that it's not exactly a red state.

Knock yourself out.
Gov. Tim Pawlenty R
Sen. Norm Coleman R
Congressman John Kline R
Congressman Gil Gutknecht R
Congressman (and soon to be Senator) Mark Kennedy R
Congressman Collin Peterson (blue dog) D



You have to go back to 1991 to find the last time a democrat was Governor, Rudy Perpich (blue dog)D
You need to back to 1976 to find the last time a liberal democrat ran this state Gov. Wendell Anderson

The only reason Mark Dayton is in the Senate today (he's leaveing to be replaced by Mark Kennedy) was he ran against Rod Gram who ran a horrible campaign, had family problems, and is not really a good campaigner. Dayton had access to the Dayton fortune and he spent it like a drunken sailor.


(Back on topic)
Without the Saudi money CAIR would be nothing.


28 posted on 07/17/2006 3:23:59 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: brownsfan

The problem I have with "Prohpet of Doom" and similar sites is they take a very simplistic view of Islam.
(Note I'm not saying Islam doesn't have....issues, I may be dumb, but not that dumb.)


29 posted on 07/17/2006 3:26:35 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: N. Theknow
An Arab with a chaw of tobacco and driving a pickup just popped into mind. Albillybob Jaffar.


30 posted on 07/17/2006 3:30:05 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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