Posted on 07/17/2006 6:03:37 AM PDT by conservativecorner
As the FBI digs deeper into the world of Islamic extremist groups in the United States, it has encountered a growing number of them operating in rural areas. Jamaat ul Fuqra is a group that began in Pakistan, where most members still reside, but has spread to North America over the last two decades. Many members have been busted for various crimes, usually ones related to fraud and abuse of social welfare programs.
The Muslims of America organization recruits in prisons, and has already produced a number of Islamic terrorists. What worries the FBI is the many more members who talk-the-talk, but have not yet moved to the walk-the-walk phase yet. Even if these groups are not actively carrying out terrorist acts, their preaching and everyday conversations indicate they would provide support services for any "holy warriors" that came knocking.
These groups have survived because they have learned how to work the system, including the FBI, and whatever counter-terrorism mojo that gets thrown at them. A major part of their defenses is their insularity, even from other Moslems. In fact, Jamaat ul Fuqra considers less conservative Moslems as heretics. Many of the Fuqra folks prefer to live out in the country, and create as much isolation for themselves as possible. Finding out what's going on in these groups is much more difficult than with people in the general Moslem population. While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens, and willing to send in tips about possible terrorist groups, outfits like Jamaat ul Fuqra just don't do that sort of thing, and react violently if they find any of their members doing so.
On the plus side, many of these extremist or conservative Moslem groups know, or suspect, that they are being watched. Any move to carry out a terrorist attack would bring the law down on them and, their families. So far, the only terrorist action out of these groups have been false starts or suspicious, not indictable, activity. But the potential is there, and it's scary.
The sort of Muslim who tips off the authorities to terror activity is the apostate, not the true believer.
Never seen any proof of this this - and have seen lots to the contrary...
It says they recruit in prison. I'm confused, though, do they recruit 'traditional' islamists from overseas who somehow are in U.S. prisons, or are they also recruiting those who follow the 'nation of islam' sect?
From my understanding NOI has little to do with 'mainstream' islam, so I don't see where they would have any sort of ideological ties. As far as I know NOI and black muslims don't believe in the destruction or overthrow of the U.S. government, only segregation. But who knows what these groups think.
Why did the name CAIR just pop into my mind while reading that line?
I bet this article is right on. I remember driving through northern Maryland a few years ago pre-9/11 in a rural area and hearing an all Arabic station on the AM dial.
"While most Moslem-Americans are loyal citizens"
I agree with you, this is standard PC boilerplate. When someone wants to be un-PC, they have to bow to the PC powers with they obligatory chant. Then they can launch into their thought.
I kind of like the fact the author used Moslem (an Arabic word meaning oppressor, but which sounds like Muslim--they really hate it), but Mohammedan is better (they hate it even more).
I think jihad terrorist camps in this rural area would be noticed by the Michigan militia, which is entirely made up of the FBI, ATF, EPA, CDC and a dozen other federal agencies with nothing to do.
On the other hand, maybe not.
Actually, I think "farmers" can purchase dynamite, without having to get permits, etc. For land clearing, stump removal, etc.
They didn't even go into the large number of Hezballah and Hamas cells in the American heartland. And while they mention recruiting in prisons, no mention at all of all the recruiting going on at the universities, including our own OU in Norman, where one of their recruits blew himself up--alone, thankfully, although there is some evidence he wanted to take some of the 90,000 sports fans at the stadium with him. (Note: FBI says that incident had nothing to do with terrorism, but local LEOs think otherwise.)
I would love to participate in a "baiting" scam with the foreign countries who fund these idiots.
We use the same method of having fun with the Nigerian email scammers.
Basically, you "pretend" to be a victim in order to consume their resources.
Imagine if thousands of people falsely claimed to have a desire to carry our "jihad" and requested funds in order to follow through.
This would put throw a wrench in the gears, they wouldn't know WHO to trust, and if they did, their money would dry up fast.
Problem is, you would quickly fall under the scrutiny of the FBI and land in jail. This would also likely seriously taint the intelligence pool our officials use with false positives.
but wouldn't it be funny!
(Muslim) Informants in American Service
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Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray
A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it's no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.
There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations. While Arabs have been migrating to the United States for over a century, until the 1960s, most of those migrants were Arab Christians, or Jews. Once Israel was founded, the Middle Eastern Jews generally went to Israel, while Arab Christians continued to head for America. Then came the large waves of Arab Moslems. The established Arab-Americans did not have close ties with the growing number of Arab Moslem migrants. There were some pan-Arab organizations, but the Arab Moslems tended to keep to themselves. This was no surprise to the Arab-American Christians, as their ancestors had come to American to escape persecution by Moslems back home. Old animosities die hard.
But many of the Moslem Arab-Americans took to the idea of "becoming Americans," without leaving behind all their cultural baggage from the old country. It was these first and second generation Arab-Americans, as well as Moslem migrants from other parts of the world, that provided the FBI with information about what was going on inside the hundreds of Moslem communities. While there have been some arrests, and prosecutions of American Moslems for terrorist activity, many more pro-terrorist groups simply dissolved when it became known, via some official visits, or gossip, that the feds knew what was going on in the community. The prosecutions that did take place around the country, like the recent one in New York City, almost always resulted in convictions and long sentences. Suddenly, it was no longer a game to sit around and pretend you were going to be a "holy warrior" and bring death and destruction to the Great Satan (the U.S.). Few of the informants within the communities were revealed, and those that tried to ferret them out, or persecute suspected informants, found themselves the subject of police investigation and hostility from the Moslem community. This had a strong deterrent effect on Islamic militants trying to create "liberated zones" in the United States. This was a major difference with the situation in Europe, where many Moslem communities are very pro-terrorist.
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Or it might be true.
An Arab with a chaw of tobacco and driving a pickup just popped into mind. Albillybob Jaffar.
"Or it might be true."
I'd require proof.
Up against the wall Jamaat Fuqra!"
They are very loyal to the Wahabites..
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