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Dan Rather Should Stick to His Story ("Absolutely" believes fake but accurate story)
The Nation ^ | Fri Jul 14, 2006

Posted on 07/17/2006 8:26:42 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 07/17/2006 8:28:13 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

The other night Dan Rather was back in center ring. In an hour long interview with CNN's Larry King. Rather spoke with quiet fury about the suits at CBS who treated him, a 44-year employee, so disgracefully. It turns out that at the end, it was the lawyers--not actor-turned corporate honcho Leslie Moonves--who told Rather "we just don't have a place for you." But, as Rather understood--as has anyone watching the networks these last years--CBS News is a cog in an entertainment company.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 07/17/2006 8:26:44 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

What great advice for Dan!! He gets to look like a bitter old fool all over again. Go for it Dan!!


If you missed the Larry King/Dan Rather whine fest, you can read the transcript here:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0607/12/lkl.01.html


2 posted on 07/17/2006 8:33:31 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: presidio9
from the linked article: ". . . [were] largely sidetracked by the fixation on questions about the authenticity of documents aired on CBS on September 8.

The Nation doesn't want us to be fixated on authentic facts.

3 posted on 07/17/2006 8:34:31 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: presidio9
How absolutely fitting that Rather is now in the exact position he and other liberal pundits depicted Richard Nixon as being in - a somewhat pathetic old man, caught in a lie, who wouldn't come clean in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

Again, I'm talking about their IMAGE of Nixon, not necessarily the reality. I'm not bashing Nixon, but referring to how he was treated.

Whatever treatment Bush received is not the issue - the clear deception and attempt to use one's position to hoodwink the public and throw an election is.

If Fox had tried this against Kerry, we would never have heard the end of it!
4 posted on 07/17/2006 8:37:49 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: presidio9
In the days after "60 Minutes" aired its September 2004 report raising tough questions about President Bush's pampered "service" in the Texas National Guard, the heart of the story was obscured by a rightwing blog-fueled controversy over the authenticity of the so-called Killian memos.

What's the bigger story? The possibility that some rich kid might have gotten a pass in some guard unit almost 40 years ago? Or the FACT that one of our nation's premiere news organizations tried to subvert a U.S. Presidential election through fraud?

This was an attempted coup against the most powerful nation in history. It should be chronicled in the history books a thousand years from now. Whatever happened in the Texas Air National Guard in the 1960's is not newsworthy at any time.

5 posted on 07/17/2006 8:45:45 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Excellent, excellent point.


6 posted on 07/17/2006 8:47:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Go home and fix Mexico)
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To: Physicist

None of them want to say "Buckheads" name.


7 posted on 07/17/2006 8:48:18 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Physicist

Bush's NG unit suffered a number of deaths during training exercises. This was a no joke assignment. Their wing wasn't called up. Not his fault.

Draft Dodger Clinton and Ace Reporter Gore, well, those are different issues according to Katrina and her band of hatchet men.


8 posted on 07/17/2006 8:50:21 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: presidio9

[RATHER: Absolutely. One of my disappointments was that, you know, over most if not all of my career, I've taken the view that we go into stories together, no matter what happens we stay together and we come out the other side together.]



That's the source of your problem, Mr. Rather. You and your fellow journalists no longer view yourselves as reporters committed to the job of accurately reporting news, but as warriors united in a common cause against your political enemies, with the end always justifying the means.


9 posted on 07/17/2006 8:53:56 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: spinestein

(Follow "The Bronze Rule")

10 posted on 07/17/2006 8:57:56 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

He will never have peace, as he has hatred in his heart.

44 years and all he has is the hatred.

Bad choice... Hatred vs truth.


11 posted on 07/17/2006 8:59:07 AM PDT by four more in O 4 (God Bless America. Let Freedom Reign.)
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To: presidio9

Who are these morons that can only see the world through Noam Chomsky's eyes?


13 posted on 07/17/2006 9:00:37 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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To: presidio9; Physicist
[In the days after "60 Minutes" aired its September 2004 report raising tough questions about President Bush's pampered "service" in the Texas National Guard, the heart of the story was obscured by a rightwing blog-fueled controversy over the authenticity of the so-called Killian memos.]



What's most frightening is the fact that if the forger had not been so careless as to type the documents on a computer instead of finding an old typewriter, thus leaving incontrovertible proof of forgery in the use of "proportionally based fonts" (thank you 'BUCKHEAD'), this lie would be the accepted reality.
14 posted on 07/17/2006 9:00:59 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: presidio9
HEE, HEE, HEEEEEE!!!

I'd forgotten about the "John Kerry as a Giant Oompa-Loompa" appearance.


That's almost as funny as the "AlGore rosy-face makeup"
appearance in the second presidential debate in 2000. His handlers painted him up to look like Ronald Reagan, including the hairstyle.

What the **** were they thinking?
15 posted on 07/17/2006 9:06:19 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: presidio9

Dan Rather hasn't "corroborated" a goddamn thing about his hatchet job on W's ANG record. If he can, let's see it. If he can't, shut the hell up. Otherwise it's hearsay from a total fraud and his loony, so-called informants.


16 posted on 07/17/2006 9:13:01 AM PDT by Big Digger (I)
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To: spinestein
My favorite thing about that pictuture just might be the "Livestrong" braclet.

"Look at me! I'm hip. I'm vibrant. I'm athletic. I windsurf. And did you know I was in Vietnam?"

17 posted on 07/17/2006 9:15:01 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
From the linked CNN Larry King interview:

[KING: We're back with an extraordinary broadcaster, an old friend, Dan Rather. You mentioned earlier, I want to go back to it, unkept promises. Like?

RATHER: Well, I was told that I was going to be a regular correspondent on "60 Minutes." I wasn't. That's an example. There were unkept promises. And I asked several times that the promises be kept, and...

KING: What'd they tell you?

RATHER: ... Well, I was told through third parties we think we're keeping them. That was part of it. In some cases it was demonstrably true that they weren't keeping it.]





There's a life's lesson here and Mr. Rather is ignoring it. He should pay close attention to what it looks like when someone is lying to your face for what they feel to be good and justifiable reasons, so he can learn to recognize it better coming from his own mouth.
18 posted on 07/17/2006 9:15:20 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: presidio9

If you must torture yourself and read this opinion, please note that they cite molly ivin and "fair" group as supposed sources against the President..yeah..that is fair and balanced..


19 posted on 07/17/2006 9:37:01 AM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: Physicist

Physicist, your comment is exactly right.

In addition, here's the other side of this that I do not understand. In theory, the news media, in 2004 is supposed to bring us information to help us voters make a decision between the incumbent and the challenger. So, in that case, which one do I want to know about his military service 30 years ago. Well, Bush was already commander in chief. So I already knew what I needed to know about his ability ... and whether he got a pass in the TNG no longer holds any import on my decision.

Meanwhile, the challenger is the one I DO want to know about his 30 year old military service. And apparently, about 250 veterans who know him wanted to tell me about his military service, i.e., Swift Boat Guys.

So what does the "drive-by media" want to tell me about? Why, some trumped up charges about Bush from a single unhappy camper with an axe to grind. Meanwhile, they want to marginalize and lie about comments from 250 people who knew JFK during Viet Nam. Any story I ever saw about the SBV's was presented in a very negative light.

My point is ... regardless of your politics, if you are an "unbiased media person", why not tell both stories? And when you discover that the TNG story is based on fake documents, simply report it and move on. Makes you wonder.


20 posted on 07/17/2006 9:37:09 AM PDT by JohnEBoy (AT)
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To: JohnEBoy
My point is ... regardless of your politics, if you are an "unbiased media person", why not tell both stories?

For one thing, Kerry's service record was, by his choice, integral to his campaign, whereas Bush's service was not. Kerry's entire campaign was "I'm a war hero", so the press had to scrutinize that...but never did.

Bush's service wasn't germaine to anything except smearing him.

21 posted on 07/17/2006 9:43:51 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Kerry's entire campaign was "I'm a war hero", so the press had to scrutinize that...but never did.

You're half right. Kerry's campaign was "I'm a war hero," with and implied "and he isn't." Were that not the case, Kerry would never have made as much of an issue of his military serivce (which left questions even before the Swifties arrived) as he did. He never had in the past. The press was only too happy to take his lead and persue the "and he isn't part of it."

BTW, can you remember a single concrete plan on ANYTHING that the Kerry campaign laid out. I sure can't, but I can remember that he was in Vietnam.

22 posted on 07/17/2006 9:52:20 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

If the story were corroborated elsewhere, they wouldn't have needed the fake documents.


23 posted on 07/17/2006 10:04:21 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: knuthom

But, dammit, Dan KNOWS the story is true.


24 posted on 07/17/2006 10:05:36 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
(Follow "The Bronze Rule")

My God, I'd never seen that photo of Kerry with a fake spray-on tan. He looks like a parody of Thurston Howell III on Gilligan's Island.

25 posted on 07/17/2006 10:11:26 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: presidio9
but I want to do news that matters. And so much of the news these days...it's so driven by ratings, so driven by demographics, so driven by, we used to be told stockholder value. It's driven by things other than the public interest. I want to do news that's fair and accurate, do it with integrity and I want to do it in the public interest."
IOW, Dan claims he wants to do journalism in the public interest, but Big Journalism's self-interest is in what interests the public.

And those are two different things. Always were, and always will be. And Dan's track record with the "TANG Memo" fraud gives us no reason to be confident that his understanding of "the public interest" is wiser than yours or mine is.


26 posted on 07/17/2006 10:18:08 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Only acquired wisdom and experience teach incredulity - and they very seldom teach it enough.)
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To: spinestein; Howlin
What's most frightening is the fact that if the forger had not been so careless as to type the documents on a computer instead of finding an old typewriter, thus leaving incontrovertible proof of forgery in the use of "proportionally based fonts" (thank you 'BUCKHEAD'), this lie would be the accepted reality.

Now in bookform:


27 posted on 07/17/2006 10:19:03 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: Texasforever; Buckhead

PING to #27


28 posted on 07/17/2006 10:22:41 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: CedarDave

Bookmarking...


29 posted on 07/17/2006 10:27:41 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: spinestein
What's most frightening is the fact that if the forger had not been so careless as to type the documents on a computer instead of finding an old typewriter, thus leaving incontrovertible proof of forgery in the use of "proportionally based fonts" (thank you 'BUCKHEAD'), this lie would be the accepted reality.
Personal computers and Microsoft Word are far more sophisticated than a 1970s typewriter, but using the latter to produce a document to pass for a product of the former is simply crude. Thank God it was a crude forgery.

30 posted on 07/17/2006 10:31:36 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Only acquired wisdom and experience teach incredulity - and they very seldom teach it enough.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Personal computers and Microsoft Word are far more sophisticated than a 1970s typewriter, but using the latter to produce a document to pass for a product of the former is simply crude.

I think you have it backwards. Or do I need another late-morning cup of coffee?

31 posted on 07/17/2006 10:35:18 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: CedarDave

Wow, reading the last bit about Mapes' "victory lap" at the office really says a lot about the MSM's incredible bias. They all thought they'd brought down Bush, and they were thrilled about it. Nice objectivity. Stinking parasites.


32 posted on 07/17/2006 10:50:26 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: Big Digger
Dan Rather hasn't "corroborated" a goddamn thing about his hatchet job on W's ANG record. If he can, let's see it. If he can't, shut the hell up.

I'll bet Dan is working feverishly behind the scenes trying to find or create more "unimpeachable" sources to prove everyone else was wrong and he was correct.

A fitting end for a deeply biased and bitter old man.

33 posted on 07/17/2006 10:50:44 AM PDT by RJL
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To: Sicon

You should get that book and read the whole thing; if you think that is bad, you'll be furious when you're finished.


34 posted on 07/17/2006 10:55:52 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: YaYa123
"He gets to look like a bitter old fool"

One should not deride an old man with dementia, one should pity him.

35 posted on 07/17/2006 11:02:32 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Howlin
You should get that book and read the whole thing; if you think that is bad, you'll be furious when you're finished.

Howlin, What is the name of the book, who is the author?

36 posted on 07/17/2006 11:05:04 AM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL

It's " Strategery" by Bil Sammon.


37 posted on 07/17/2006 11:13:24 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: RJL
Howlin, What is the name of the book, who is the author?

Is it Strategery by Bill Sammon?

38 posted on 07/17/2006 11:15:00 AM PDT by RJL
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To: presidio9

The Little Engine That Could...

"I think it's true...
I think it's true...
I think it's true..

I know it's true...
I know it's true...
...


39 posted on 07/17/2006 11:16:30 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Buckhead; Howlin
It's " Strategery" by Bil Sammon.

Thanks Buckhead.

40 posted on 07/17/2006 11:16:48 AM PDT by RJL
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To: Physicist

I completely agree. Rather and Mapes thought they got the scoop of the century with this story, when, frankly, WHO CARES what George Bush did in the TANG 35 years ago? I couldn't care less...other than being impressed with the fact that he was a jet pilot, which is a very difficult and challenging job that they don't just let anybody do...no matter WHOSE son or grandson he is. But this story was the fruit of Mapes' 5-year crusade to find something, ANYTHING, to use against Bush.
Lame, lame LAME!


41 posted on 07/17/2006 11:26:08 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: Buckhead

I still want your autograph, buckhead.

:-)


42 posted on 07/17/2006 11:27:10 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: CedarDave
I think you have it backwards.
Yeah, it does look like it.
Or do I need another late-morning cup of coffee?
Well, I have an excuse. Dr. says "no caffeine" - so I haven't had my first cup of coffee, let alone a second.

43 posted on 07/17/2006 11:34:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Only acquired wisdom and experience teach incredulity - and they very seldom teach it enough.)
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To: presidio9

Rather still has a fan club at the commie rag "the Nation". That should be all anybody needs to know about rather's lying leftist bias. Did larry ask him why he keeps calling himself a Marine when he got thrown out of basic?


44 posted on 07/17/2006 11:37:12 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Buckhead

What's Bill's screen name?


45 posted on 07/17/2006 12:14:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (“The term ‘civilians’ does not exist in Islamic religious law.”)
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To: Howlin; Sicon; Buckhead; 68skylark; Texasforever

I want it framed ... just awesome work, all of you! Hope you have it framed, Howlin.


46 posted on 07/17/2006 12:22:35 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Buckhead; Howlin

>>It's " Strategery" by Bil Sammon.<<

Congratulations! You guys are the "Woodward & Bernstein" of FreeRepublic.

Do you know who is going to play you in the movie?

LOL!


47 posted on 07/17/2006 1:59:03 PM PDT by SerpentDove (BREAKING: Body of Ken Lay Indicted)
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To: SerpentDove

Sharon Stone and Kevin Costner.


48 posted on 07/17/2006 3:06:32 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Sicon
[Wow, reading the last bit about Mapes' "victory lap" at the office really says a lot about the MSM's incredible bias.]




That's another bogus piece of reporting. She's quoted as saying she and Dan Rather broke the Abu Graib prison story in April. NPR and other "lesser" media were reporting that the military was conducting an extensive investigation into abusive conduct of some of its personnel at Abu Graib prison many months before April after receiving complaints from other personnel. The military was using its standard procedure of investigating and providing updates to the media, and many people, including myself, were aware of the story for months when the digital pictures came to light. The media then "broke" the story and reported it as if it had been covered up by the Bush Administration. The really arrogant part of this is the fact that the reason they were able to pretend the story was new was because the major news sources didn't bother to cover it at all until April because without pictures, they weren't interested in it.
49 posted on 07/17/2006 6:51:29 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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