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Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet (TWA Flight 800)
Boston Herald ^ | Tuesday, July 18, 2006 | Joe Dwinell

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet By Joe Dwinell

A Bay State physicist is taking on the National Transportation Safety Board in federal court in Boston to help bolster his theory a missile is to blame for taking down TWA Flight 800 a decade ago.

“I don’t want this 10-year anniversary to go by without paying attention to this plausible theory,” said Tom Stalcup, a Falmouth resident who holds a doctorate in physics and heads up the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization.

Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

Stalcup’s group, linked mostly by the Internet, has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court in Boston seeking documents relating to the crash, including a “wreckage item” that exited the plane’s airframe at “apparent supersonic speeds.”

Stalcup alleges the Navy recovered this “smoking gun” wreckage.

Federal officials say the crash was an accident - not a missile strike from a Navy exercise or anything else


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KEYWORDS: anniversary; callingartbell; conspiracytheory; fearuncertaintydoubt; nutjob; terrorism; twa800; twaflight800
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1 posted on 07/18/2006 7:14:01 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

It was a missile.


2 posted on 07/18/2006 7:15:00 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

It was a meteor.


3 posted on 07/18/2006 7:16:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: pissant

I second the motion.


4 posted on 07/18/2006 7:16:17 PM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: pissant

its one hell of a secret to keep for this long.

I still say it was a shoe bomb or something else like that, not a missile.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 7:16:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

A supersonic shoe bomb?


6 posted on 07/18/2006 7:17:23 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Liberalism's main product is Destruction and Death.)
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To: pissant

It was a pelican.


7 posted on 07/18/2006 7:18:04 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

BkMrk for later.


8 posted on 07/18/2006 7:19:04 PM PDT by FlashBack (W)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

I thought it was at night.

9 posted on 07/18/2006 7:19:24 PM PDT by Toby06 (True conservatives vote based on their values, not for parties.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Soon everything will be missing or lost.


10 posted on 07/18/2006 7:20:46 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
I think it was later than 3pm. Closer to 8pm if I remember correctly.
11 posted on 07/18/2006 7:21:22 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

3PM? Whose time zone are we talking about ... Hawaii?

12 posted on 07/18/2006 7:22:07 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Toby06
I thought it was at night.

It was. They got the time wrong. I believe it was around 8pm or so.

13 posted on 07/18/2006 7:22:24 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

14 posted on 07/18/2006 7:23:09 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: oceanview
...By the FBI's own count, 270 eyewitnesses saw a flaming object ascend towards TWA Flight 800...

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/10th_anny_2of10.htm

Tons of information on this guy's site - I heard 2 radio interviews with him last weekend.

15 posted on 07/18/2006 7:25:17 PM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: Unicorn
Soon everything will be missing or lost.

Tin foil supply good to go?

16 posted on 07/18/2006 7:26:43 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: muawiyah; pissant
It was a missile.

It was a meteor.

It was superman

17 posted on 07/18/2006 7:26:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
we need to remember that these were the days when when folk in the WH did not want their golf game or other games interfered with.

there was also the plane that went down with a mid-east man (pilot) who took the plane down deliberately, but we put if off to a suicide.

We also brushed aside all inconvenient evidence that pointed to additional people and vehicles involved in the Oklahoma bombing.

and responses to the K Towers, the Cole, the 93 Twin Towers bombings...we know the luke warm response they got...

TWA 800 fits into this pattern - ignore the eyewitness accounts, for ex., who say they saw a streak of light shoot up from the ocean and then the plane exploded...

It seemed the only time clintooone bothered himself was when he had a scandal to get off the headlines

18 posted on 07/18/2006 7:26:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

for it to be a US navy missile - everyone on that ship would have known a missile was launched off long island the night this plane was downed. no way to cover that up, someone would have talked by now.


19 posted on 07/18/2006 7:26:58 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Toby06

TWA 800: TIMELINE AND LOCATION OF MAJOR EVENTS

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388f4310524f.htm

8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet.

8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown.


20 posted on 07/18/2006 7:27:14 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
I Used to think it was a missle.

But after 10 years, ain't no way the government would have been able to cover that up and keep it covered up for this long.

By now, leaks would have been all over the place.

I guess it wasn't a missle now.

21 posted on 07/18/2006 7:27:20 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: woofie
It was a missile.
It was a meteor.
It was superman


It was Superman shooting a missile from a meteor.
22 posted on 07/18/2006 7:31:05 PM PDT by msnimje (There is no way we can lose if we stay in Iraq and no way we can win if we cut and run.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
A few hundred live witnesses agree with this guy.
23 posted on 07/18/2006 7:31:10 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Someone has too much free time on their hands.


24 posted on 07/18/2006 7:32:01 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: oceanview
"for it to be a US navy missile - everyone on that ship would have known a missile was launched off long island the night this plane was downed. no way to cover that up, someone would have talked by now."

Thank you thank you thank you. This missile stuff is pure nut-baggery. To some people everything is a damn conspiracy. These people sound just like the 9/11-was-a-usaf-tanker crowd.
25 posted on 07/18/2006 7:32:24 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
Yup, a low trajectory bolide entering Earth's atmosphere is going to look exactly like that.

Then it hit a plane.

26 posted on 07/18/2006 7:32:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: maine-iac7

nonetheless, the truth there really wasn't in doubt - I believe they did release a translation of the cockpit tapes, but egypt had a "different interpretation" of them, so we couldn't push it.


27 posted on 07/18/2006 7:33:12 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
for it to be a US navy missile

Cashill makes the case for a missile, not necessarily a Navy missile. That's just one theory.

28 posted on 07/18/2006 7:33:19 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: oceanview
for it to be a US navy missile - everyone on that ship would have known a missile was launched off long island the night this plane was downed. no way to cover that up, someone would have talked by now.

Come on now. Don't bring facts into this.

29 posted on 07/18/2006 7:33:42 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Here's a website for guys:

http://www.flight800.org/


30 posted on 07/18/2006 7:34:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Here's a website for guys:

http://www.flight800.org/


31 posted on 07/18/2006 7:34:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: CremeSaver

It was at night, right before the Olympics started in Atlanta.

And it was no missile or bomb. It was exposed wires that ignited the vapor in the fuel tank.


32 posted on 07/18/2006 7:34:49 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: ElkGroveDan

And terrorists don't have the kind of radar guided missiles necessary to blow a 747 out of the sky when it is at 15,000+ feet.


33 posted on 07/18/2006 7:35:19 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I was in England when the crash happened, and flew back to NYC a couple of days later. When I arrived, I remember that there were searches being conducted along the beaches and dunes in that area (it's a giant park that extends along Long Island) looking for evidence of a rocket launcher or other evidence of a missile. The very first reports were still in the papers, and they described people sitting on outdoor patios and docks and boats and looking up and seeing a streak of light headed up into the sky - followed by an explosion, which they later learned was the plane.

At some point, I did read - probably in the NY Post - that something had been found in the dunes, possibly a tripod or something else that could have been used in firing a missile. IIRC, there was also a picture or a diagram. I can't remember how long after the crash that happened, but I don't think it was immediately afterwards (may have been a couple of months), and I don't think it was found by the "official" search teams but by somebody out walking. I also don't recall what the final decision was - someone launching fireworks? A prank? In any case, the whole subject disappeared very quickly.


34 posted on 07/18/2006 7:35:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: ElkGroveDan

that is still a possibility - someone else's missile. could a terrorist missile with that range have been fired from a boat off the coast?


35 posted on 07/18/2006 7:35:56 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
I've seen estimates that the U.S. military had conducted experiments on something like 60,000 human subjects (primarily military personnel) over many years (primarily from the 1940s to the 1960s). The fact that they managed to cover that up for so long leads me to believe that it would be perfectly reasonable for them to cover up something involving a relatively small number of Navy personnel.

This doesn't mean TWA Flight 800 was shot down, mind you . . . it just means that the "They never could have covered it up for so long" rationale simply doesn't work in my book.

36 posted on 07/18/2006 7:35:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
said Tom Stalcup, a Falmouth resident who holds a doctorate in physics and heads up the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization.

Oh, I get it.....this pointy head has a doctorate degree and is the head of some blog smog.

Well, I guess we are all supposed to bow now.......and not question his doctorate backed authority.

I smell the same thing from all the self-professed, Global Warming "experts."

seeking documents relating to the crash, including a “wreckage item” that exited the plane’s airframe at “apparent supersonic speeds.”

Ummm....show me that. Apparent, yea....

If it was not under it's own power, the Mach + speed would have been very short lived. Very short.

37 posted on 07/18/2006 7:36:23 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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I simply ask myself, "Self, why was Mr. Richard Clarke so pleased with himself that he bragged about concocting the TWA 800 'exit strategy' -- i.e., the center fuel tank thing?"

I also remember the ridicule, abuse and threats some Americans endured for years until some truth about Ruby Ridge and Waco was finally exposed.

So I'll just keep waiting until the spinners get so dizzy they lose their balance -- then with the turth about OKC and TWA 800 they lose their butts. Ten-plus years and counting. . . .

38 posted on 07/18/2006 7:36:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

There were unexplained boats in the area -- other than US Navy. There are just too many independent witnesses for this to be explained away as the 'official' version says.


39 posted on 07/18/2006 7:37:29 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: Toby06
Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996....I thought it was at night.

You are right... the tragedy started just after 8:30PM.

40 posted on 07/18/2006 7:37:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: oceanview
that is still a possibility - someone else's missile. could a terrorist missile with that range have been fired from a boat off the coast?

They would have needed a radar guided missile which means a radar system to aim and lock the missile onto its target. Something like this is not the size of a rowboat. Highly unlikely they had something like that because if they did, we would have seen it used again.

41 posted on 07/18/2006 7:37:46 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: oceanview; Swordmaker; jveritas
for it to be a US navy missile

It wasn't the Navy.

From Swordmaker....

"In the absence of explanations, theories abounded. One focused on a fax sent Wednesday to an Arabic language newspaper in Beirut warning of an attack. State Department and CIA officials confirmed they had received copies of the fax Thursday. The message said "tomorrow morning we will strike the Americans in a way they do not expect and it will be very surprising to them," according to one official. A counterterrorism source familiar with the fax said that it was sent at 11 a.m. New York time Wednesday, more than nine hours before the bombing. But a CIA source said that the agency "does not attach too much significance" to the fax.

"The fax, written in Arabic, ends with the following threat: "The Mujahadeen will respond harshly to the threats of the stupid American president. All will be shocked by the magnitude of the response. The determining of the place and time are in the hands of the Mujahadeen. The invaders must get ready to leave alive or dead; and their rendezvous will be morning, and isn't morning near." U.S. News and World Report magazine, in the July 29, 1996 issue, identified the group who sent the fax as, "The Movement of Islamic Jihad/The Jihad Wing of the Arabian Peninsula." [Editors Note: 8pm Eastern Time in New York is early morning in the Persian Gulf.]" Newsday.com, July 19, 1996

. . . Senior Iranian sources close to the fundamentalist regime in Tehran claimed this weekend that TWA flight 800 was shot down last month by one of three shoulder-fired Stingers of the type used by Islamic guerrillas during the Afghanistan war. The sources said the missiles arrived in America seven months ago after being shipped from Karachi via Rotterdam and on to the Canadian port of Halifax. They claimed an Egyptian fundamentalist group backed by Iran was responsible for smuggling the weapons across the Canadian border into the United States. The group, the Gama'a al-Islamiya, comprises followers of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric jailed in the United States over the 1993 New York World Trade Center bombing."The Times of London, August 27, 1996

" . . . at least one terrorist has claimed credit for the TWA 800 bombing. World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Ahmed Yousef told authorities his group is responsible. Yousef's claim has not been made public, but it is in the FBI file.The American Spectator, Sept. 1997

If you can read Arabic, here is the Al Hayat article threatening the attack.. It's a PDF.

jveritas looked at and this is what he said: This is a July 20th 1996 article from the AL HAYAT Arabic newspaper and in summary the article said that before 8 hours from the TWA 800 explosion, the newspaper received a letter from an islamic group called "The Islamic Change Movement Al Jazeera AL Arabia Wing" claiming repsonsibilty for an terrorist attack that occurred in Ryad Saudi Arabia last November and adopt the Khobar terrorist attack last June. In their letter the terrorists promised a very severe attack in the US and it will surprise everyone with the magnitude of the attack. The Newspaper went on to say that some are making a connection between the threat in the letter of the terrorist group above and the TWA 800 explosion.

Link to post by jveritas

42 posted on 07/18/2006 7:37:47 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I think it was probably a terrorist missile. I find it all but impossible to think something like that could happen within the USN and stay totally secret for so long. People talk.

If it were a terrorist missile, however, the call to be honest or cover up would have ultimately been in the hands of Bill and Hillary.

MM


43 posted on 07/18/2006 7:37:55 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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It was this guy

44 posted on 07/18/2006 7:39:15 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: COEXERJ145
And terrorists don't have the kind of radar guided missiles necessary to blow a 747 out of the sky when it is at 15,000+ feet.

More importantly . . . If a terrorist had any intention of shooting down an eastbound passenger aircraft flying out of JFK International Airport, he would not have bothered doing it at a point where the aircraft would be more than 16,000 feet overhead when he could as easily do it 25-50 miles further west where the aircraft would be flying much lower.

45 posted on 07/18/2006 7:39:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

what did they do, brain wash the crew? all of them, regular americans who volunteered for the navy - are going to cover this up, not speak a word of it, for 10 years?


46 posted on 07/18/2006 7:40:04 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
for it to be a US navy missile - everyone on that ship would have known a missile was launched off long island the night this plane was downed. no way to cover that up, someone would have talked by now.

Have you no respect?

You are punching big holes in the tin foil.

I beg you to stop!

47 posted on 07/18/2006 7:40:16 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Sonny M
I'm still keeping an open mind- not enough information yet. But, if it were not a US missile, you would only have one cell or two to keep quiet. No need for a shipload of sailors and the hundred or so supply people, just six in the US and six more somewhere else.

And this was during Clinton- for sure if it HAD been a US missile, he'd have been all over them. This was the pres who tried to stop the Marine Band from playing at his inaugural, fer hemsakes.

If I were to speculate, I'd suggest a shoebomber on the plane and a ground crew to fire some military-type smoke/marker rocket for diversion (so as not to reveal the nature of the real threat, which could easily be stopped if you knew about it.) Just speculating, here.

Take a look at the number of commercial air fatalities before 9/11 and the number after- planes have stopped falling out of the sky, and I must take my shoes off to get through security at LAX.
48 posted on 07/18/2006 7:40:38 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Exit148

off the south shore of long island, there are hundreds of boats out there.


49 posted on 07/18/2006 7:41:08 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: ElkGroveDan

I don't know about a missile launched from the beach but I was a surface missile Fire Controlman. The closest ship was over a hundred miles away.

The aircraft was at 12k feet. You can't see an aircraft at that altitude on radar from that distance because of the curvature of the earth much less hit it with a missile.


50 posted on 07/18/2006 7:42:01 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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