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Israel and the international precedent (Clinton & Kosovo)
netwmd ^ | 7-18-2006 | Randy A. Sprinkle

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:46:08 PM PDT by inpajamas

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1 posted on 07/18/2006 7:46:16 PM PDT by inpajamas
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2 posted on 07/18/2006 8:01:22 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: inpajamas

Kosovo is the basic blueprint and prototype for Atzlan. Kosovo HAS to be given back to its rightful owners, i.e. to Serbia.


3 posted on 07/18/2006 8:09:58 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: sageb1
I definitely think America should send peacekeepers to Southern Lebanon, Syria and Iran. But I don't think 10,000 are necessary. A few dozen should do.

MX

4 posted on 07/18/2006 8:13:18 PM PDT by trek
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To: trek

Ditto to that


5 posted on 07/18/2006 8:31:44 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: trek

lol! I'm glad I checked the link. I was ready to scream if I heard anymore about "peacekeepers." ;)


6 posted on 07/18/2006 8:36:47 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: inpajamas
So much is being written about Kosovo by so many who don't understand the first thing about it.

Comparing Israel to Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia is a supreme insult to the State of Israel.

7 posted on 07/18/2006 8:38:19 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
"Comparing Israel to Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia is a supreme insult to the State of Israel.

Israel is not being compared to Serbia - the media then is being compared to the media now - and the internationalist mind set that Clinton held then is being compared with the mindset of world leaders today. Therein lies the similarities.

8 posted on 07/18/2006 8:52:35 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: Hoplite

.....and also the KLA is being compared to the militant Islamic terrorist in the M.E.


9 posted on 07/18/2006 8:55:08 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: trek
Seems like overkill for Lebanon, and maybe for Syria as well.

We however need to quit playing games with Iran.

Iran is obviously funding and arming these groups.

Does anyone believe that it's merely a coincidence that this flares up right when Iran is getting drug before the UN Security Council over their nuclear weapons program?

Iran is waging war on Israel through intermediaries and they aren't even hiding it, yet we do little to nothing about it.

Have we learned nothing from the past?

It's time for Bush to state the obvious. Iran is and has been supporting terrorists in criminal acts against civilians. They are arming and funding terrorists. The are arming, funding, and directing those who are carrying out acts against Israel which an ally of the United States.

This can not be tolerated.

Then Bush as commander in chief should order but not necessarily announce, an very noticeable increase in troops in the area. Shift people from Europe and elsewhere. Maybe shift the path of a carrier group so it starts heading closer to Iran.

If the EU makes a fuss, shift even more of our soldiers out of their countries so they lose their protection as well as their contribution to their economies.

Tell them if the want to diffuse the situation they better do everything they possibly can to stop Iran from funding terrorism, give up their nuclear program, and stop calling for the destruction of Israel.

The them to prove that they are not useless or to go away and shut up.

10 posted on 07/18/2006 9:22:44 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: inpajamas
Israel is not being compared to Serbia

Gotta disagree with you there - the author attempts to portray Serbian actions as legitimate, then goes on to apply his erroneous understanding of the Western response to Milosevic's Serbia to the present situation in the Middle East, with Israel supposedly now in some bizarro world danger of being treated the same as Serbia was during the 1990's.

More of the same.

More of the same.

In short, there's a "Serbia=Israel" theme being pushed by our Serbian friends.

As to any supposed radical Islamic nature of the KLA, we've been in Kosovo for over 7 years now - you tell me: how radical are Islamists who don't attack Americans?

11 posted on 07/18/2006 9:35:21 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: inpajamas


Any war against white westerners is a good war. :)


12 posted on 07/18/2006 10:03:11 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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Enlighten us to your writings..."hoplite writes: So much is being written about Kosovo by so many who don't understand the first thing about it. Comparing Israel to Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia is a supreme insult to the State of Israel.
13 posted on 07/19/2006 5:47:23 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

That's because Hoplite's ass does all the thinking for him.


14 posted on 07/19/2006 7:04:42 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite
You that wrong that Israel actions are being compared to Serbian actions. In fact it is noted that the media is finding it difficult to paint Israel in the same light as the Serbs even though they would like to; the reason being that Israel has avoided committing the atrocities that the Serbs have been accused of.

There is some evidence to back up the accusations of mass executions by Serbs but it does not rise to the scale of massive genocide to annihilate an entire population as it was portrayed.

you cite two links as evidence that Israel and Serbia are being compared but they are both from different authors unrelated to this article so what does that show?

There are some similarities but it was also note in the begining that there are differences. One differences is that Israeli reactions to attacks are more disciplined, restrained, and lawful; that is mentioned in the article.
Most similarities as I stated earlier are in the media coverage, international politics, and some of the circumstances. I know because I wrote it.

As for radical Islam in the region; give it time, it is there and when it has opportunity it will raise its ugly head again.
15 posted on 07/19/2006 8:31:44 AM PDT by inpajamas
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"That's because Hoplite's ass does all the thinking for him."

So, let me understand this.....I've heard of "Ed, The Talking Horse" in the 50 and 60's. But you're telling me that Hopletter, not to be confused with Linketter; that Hoplite has a Donkey that can talk. Wow...just imagine, a talking ass, er, uh I mean Donkey.....


16 posted on 07/19/2006 8:32:17 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Ed was no donkey; I use to watch him and heard him speak, he was intelligent so obviously he was Republican.

As for Hoplite's assertion that the KLA is not radical, I would just say that if I were a betting man I would not put any money on it. Everywhere Islamic militants are today, if there is not trouble there will be.
17 posted on 07/19/2006 8:44:28 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

Ed was a horse....Hopless has a Donkey.....or a talking ass.....:))

Wherever Islamic radicals are there will be trouble...


18 posted on 07/19/2006 8:59:32 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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19 posted on 07/19/2006 9:23:21 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: tgambill
Here is an example of the rhetoric in the media that I was making comparison to.

Fox News analyst compares Israelis to Nazis Bevelacqua tells O'Reilly Jewish state ruthless in Lebanon

Fox News military analyst Maj. Bob Bevelacqua, a former Green Beret, appearing tonight on "The O'Reilly Factor," compared Israeli actions in Lebanon and Gaza with Nazi actions in Russia during World War II. Bevelacqua, a long-time Fox News contributor, said the Israelis were unwilling to compromise in their conflict with Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. He denied that the Israelis willingly evacuated from Gaza and Lebanon. "Saying the Israelis pulled out of Lebanon is like saying the Nazis pulled out of Moscow," he said. "They invaded Lebanon. They invaded Gaza. They take homes and then they give them back. And they expect some type of great recognition."

Israelis like Nazis

20 posted on 07/19/2006 9:49:41 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas
I'll try the link again, (Israelis like Nazis?)
21 posted on 07/19/2006 10:02:14 AM PDT by inpajamas
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In fact it is noted that the media is finding it difficult to paint Israel in the same light as the Serbs even though they would like to; the reason being that Israel has avoided committing the atrocities that the Serbs have been accused of.

I say Israel is being compared to Serbia, but the comparison is invalid due to each nation's actions.

You say the media is finding it difficult to compare Israel to Serbia, because Israel has acted differently.

If you look at today's stories, the Washington Post compares Israel to NATO when it bombed Serbia, not to Serbia.

Its air war in many ways duplicates the way U.S. air power dismantled targets in Bosnia, Serbia and Iraq in the past 10 years. source

Whereas antiwar.com is carrying Malic's latest screed where Serbia is being compared to Israel.

Let me ask you this - who, in your eyes, is the media?

22 posted on 07/19/2006 10:23:37 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
The only reason why the media has not compared the Israelis to the Serbian Army is the jewish lobby being so strong. If the Serbs had the media lobbyists like the Albanians, muslims and Croatians had back then, it would be a differant story.

Your friend, Sacribey sends you his greetings, the Omar one.

23 posted on 07/19/2006 10:48:30 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Hoplite
"I say Israel is being compared to Serbia, but the comparison is invalid due to each nation's actions.

You say the media is finding it difficult to compare Israel to Serbia, because Israel has acted differently."

Then we agree that Israeli responses to attacks are different, but that is not what is being compared in the article. There are differences in actions but there are similarities in the situation.

In your example you cite Malic’s writing; because he condemns NATO and the USA; however, that fits right in with the theme on antiwar.com - He also seeks to defend the Serbs by equating them with the Israelis; not condemn the Israelis by equating them with the Serbs. But he also makes a statement that contradicts you earlier comment that the KLA has not been a problem for 7 years.

Malic writes:

The province has been occupied by NATO for over seven years now and turned into a quasi-state administered by the KLA, where most non-Albanians have been killed, expelled, or forced into ghettos.

In the other example you gave you cited the Washington Post, but your link connects to an article in the Washington Times by Rowan Scarborough where he compares the strategy and logistics of the USA and Israel - that is irrelevant to this discussion - Although, there was a Washington Post article yesterday by Richard Cohen where he claims <(Israel is a mistake) .

A Google search for {“anti-Israel” media bias} = Results 1 - 10 of about 314,000

24 posted on 07/19/2006 2:19:53 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas
But he also makes a statement that contradicts you earlier comment that the KLA has not been a problem for 7 years.

Actually, I said the KLA hadsn't been a problem for Americans, nor have the rest of the K-Albanians (The KLA and its supporters have always been a minority of K-Albanians, btw). The regional ethnic wars, however, continue to simmer to this day, and if you mix Serbs with Croats, Bosnian Muslims, or K-Albanians, chances are things aren't going to go well, sadly.

Post, Times - yeah, I did mix those up. My bad. My point, however, was that mainstream media isn't comparing Serbia to Israel, instead comparing NATO to Israel, and the Cohen article you reference makes no mention of the Balkans. So while there is certainly an anti-Israeli bias out there in the MSM (doesn't look like Cohen fits into this category from the referenced article, IMO), it doesn't extend to inherently flawed comparisons of Israel to Serbia, either of their situations or through comparisons of their actions, from what I've seen.

In short, the Milosevic/Serbia response for Israel just isn't on the table. It's Apples and Oranges, regardless of how some try their hand at transubstantiation.

25 posted on 07/19/2006 3:26:06 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

actually, the KLA has been a thorn as they have killed US Soldiers in the past.


26 posted on 07/19/2006 7:53:42 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: montyspython

Great......lolol....What can I say...? well put.


27 posted on 07/20/2006 12:53:03 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill; montyspython; DTA; Banat; FormerLib; joan; Grizzly Adams; All
Zorro/Zoran v. the Big Chicken/Hoplite as he demonstrates his chickenesque behavior in him being a refusenik to answer my questions, facts and his own ignorance.


28 posted on 07/20/2006 4:08:33 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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"The KLA and its supporters have always been a minority of K-Albanians, btw"

The KLA is the majority of the KPC/TMK and the KPS. Former members "RUN" Kosovo with an iron fist. If a K-Albanian police officer becomes too honest or works for the good, they WILL be killed. It has happened twice already. The rule of law is ran by the Albanian Mafia and the Kosovo Albanian rule of law there is ruled by former members of the KLA, from Ceku, Ramush, Thaqi, you have Xhavet Haliti and hundreds more. The KLA is simply divided between TMK, KPC, KPS, UCPMB, NLA, ANA, Black Eagles (paramititary group designated to systemically cleanse the Serbs out by murder and intimidation since 2000)

This is fact supported by names, numbers and incidents.


29 posted on 07/20/2006 5:03:53 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: inpajamas; Hoplite; ma bell

Relative to the comment about the relationship between KLA and American military. It is good due to the U.S. Supporting the KLA and its' offspring organizations either directly or turning a blind eye. I know this because I had American Lt's, Capt's and Major's come into my Office, shutting the door and making comments that we supported the wrong side. Also, they were very distraught that their hands were tied to do anything about it. They also didn't trust the Former KLA members as they had targeted innocent Serbs since 1999 to at least 2004 and beyond.


30 posted on 07/20/2006 5:08:03 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: SJackson; Alouette
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Israel and the international precedent (Clinton & Kosovo)

31 posted on 07/20/2006 7:57:50 AM PDT by DTA
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To: tgambill
Jerusalem Post - 7-20-06 - compiled list of the stance the Euro news media is taking - almost all anti-Israeli.

The European press has condemned Israel's retaliatory offensive against Hizbullah as an over-the-top response to the capture and killing of its soldiers and invasion of its territory, but remains divided over what must be done to resolve the crisis.

"As always," Le Monde wrote at the start of the crisis, Israel had responded "by making disproportionate use of military force, in violation of international law." On Wednesday, the paper applauded French President Jacques Chirac's call for Israel to exercise restraint as "without a doubt the most legitimate policy."

The French president's plan, Le Monde wrote, was the "only way to preserve a common line with the United States and a kernel of international consensus." It warned Israel that in implementing its "optimistic" plan "to do away with Hizbullah, it must not destroy Lebanon's efforts to reconstruct its country."

The Paris daily Liberation condemned the world's "relative indifference" to the crisis, which it blamed on US President George W. Bush's "policy of going along" with Israel's decisions. "We can deplore, but we cannot be surprised by the general helplessness," it wrote Wednesday.

Le Figaro of also found fault with the United States Monday for not responding more quickly to the crisis and criticized Bush's attempts to bring "something positive out of this double war against 'extremists,' out of this wreckage of weapons and blood, at least that of civilians."

Italy's Corriere della Sera wrote on Wednesday that while some consider Israel's response to the kidnapping of three conscripts "disproportionate," the offensives against Hizbulllah and Hamas must be seen in the context of Israel's fight for survival.

On Monday, The Guardian condemned as shortsighted Israel's "collective punishment of Lebanon's fragile economy," but said the "time for calling for restraint has passed, since too many on both sides show no signs of exercising any."

On Wednesday, the paper called Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz "military novices" and suggested "both have something to prove." Former prime minister Ariel Sharon "could negotiate a prisoner exchange with Hizbullah in 2004, rather than bombing them from the sky, because he had no fear of being branded weak," the Guardian wrote.

"Those who witnessed [the fighting] will not forget it, and they will carry a bitterness towards Israel for the rest of their lives, passing it on to their children" the Guardian said, as "both sides have ensured this dreadful conflict spreads, not just across borders - but down the generations."

The S ddeutsche Zeitung also called Israel's response "disproportionate," but said it did have a right to defend itself. This "war was declared by Hizbullah and Palestinian terror groups, not by Israel," it wrote.

On Wednesday, the German paper argued that the offensive against Hizbullah was a diplomatic blunder that had "trapped" Olmert. Striking at Hizbullah would "aggravate hatred of Israel across the world," it said. "The longer this war waged for the purpose of deterrence lasts and the more civilian casualties it causes in Lebanon, the more the images of destruction will push the party responsible for the war, Hizbullah, into the background."

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on Tuesday dismissed the proposal for a UN-administered buffer zone in southern Lebanon as "an illusion." It called for Hizbullah to be "disarmed and the regular Lebanese army to occupy the border region with Israel in order to prevent terrorist raids.".......

This is an uncut unedited excerpt from the begining of the article

(Source)

32 posted on 07/20/2006 8:00:38 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas
>>>>>>>>>Although currently there is strong support for Israel among US citizenry, the political pendulum of power swings both ways. It is also possible that international intervention can be sold to a number of uniformed people who are sympathetic to Israel if it is packaged in a way where it appears “good“ for all parties. <<<<<<<<<<

It also happened before. During Bosnian civil war Clinton's administration fooled Jewish American organisations to provide total support to pro-muslim policy and direct support of muslim terrorists.

B'nai brith was used to direcly spread the lies about "Serb Nazis" and the need for Jews to cry Never again against 'genocide' of poor innocent Muslims.

Umbrella organisations such as NJCRAC and The Jewish Council for Public Affairs (JCPA) have orchestrated Goebbels-style campaign of smearing the Serbs as a people and urged letter-writing campaigns in support of Clinton's Bosnian folly because "it is good for Israel".

Today we can see the fruit of their efforts. As I said before, show me a Jewish American who denigrated Serbs as a people and I will show you a Jewish American who works against Israel.

33 posted on 07/20/2006 8:11:45 AM PDT by DTA
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34 posted on 07/20/2006 8:13:10 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
The end result in Kosovo after the last seven years:

Kosovo has now been proven to be gangster/mafia run Islamist terrorist state and an haven for drug trafficking, child sex-slavery/prostitution, - you name it. (It should also be noted that some of the Islamists involved and explosives used in the Madrid and London bombings came from Kosovo)

Here are some related links:

To see where Israel is headed, visit Kosovo

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Kosovo: The emerging terror state

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Related material:

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35 posted on 07/20/2006 9:25:02 AM PDT by inpajamas
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Kosovo has now been proven to be gangster/mafia run Islamist terrorist state and an haven for drug trafficking, child sex-slavery/prostitution, - you name it. (It should also be noted that some of the Islamists involved and explosives used in the Madrid and London bombings came from Kosovo)

And here I was taking you seriously.

36 posted on 07/20/2006 9:34:39 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: DTA
The Israelis have gone above and beyond what should be expected of a people who have been constantly under attack but it will not be enough to stop criticism.

It seems possible that they may get through this event without too much international involvement but somewhere down the road Israel will face a multinational assault like they have not seen to date. We are not there yet; but things are headed in that direction and it could happen in the next several years to come, or sooner. As I wrote earlier; it will start with unparalleled diplomatic pressure and demands and could end in confrontation if Israel fails to capitulate.

Consider the initial reaction of world leaders when this broke out; virtually every one of them called for international intervention and peacekeepers except the US. Since then Bush has persuaded some of them to back off long enough for the Israelis to have a chance to deal with Hezbolla.

However, terror groups are but branches; terrorist states are the root. Unless the root is killed cutting of a limb will not avail much. When you prune a branch (Hezbolla) on a tree that branch is no longer an issue but other branches (terrorist) benefit by the nutrition and resources that are freed to nourish them. Any relief achieved will be temporary until terrorism is cut off at the stump for it will keep growing back. - Syria and Iran must be dealt with.

37 posted on 07/20/2006 10:04:39 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: Hoplite; inpajamas
And here I was taking you seriously.

Having a jihadist cheerleader take you seriously is no compliment.

38 posted on 07/20/2006 5:48:21 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite

Who gives a rat's ass?


39 posted on 07/21/2006 8:01:55 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite
It may be several years before things develop to the point that a multinational force ever threatens Israel . Before that would take place there will be a stage where things resemble what happened with apartheid in South Africa.
40 posted on 07/21/2006 10:03:46 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

If you're referencing "Emperor's Clothes" and repeating discredited Serbian propaganda (Balkan ties to London and Madrid), you're removing yourself from serious consideration.


41 posted on 07/22/2006 7:39:03 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Google these three words: Kosovo London bombing

You should get a return of about 741,000 results.

The July 29 2005 edition of FOX News Channel's Day Side program revealed that the so called mastermind of the 7/7 London Bombings, Haroon Rashid Aswat, is a British Intelligence Asset. Former Justice Dept. prosecutor and Terror expert John Loftus revealed that the so called Al-Muhajiroun group, based in London had formed during the Kosovo crisis, during which Fundamentalist Muslim Leaders (Or what is now referred to as Al Qaeda) were recruited by MI6 to fight in Kosovo.

"...back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started."

Haroon Rashid Aswat

From Wikipedia encyclopedia

Haroon Rashid Aswat (born ca. 1975 in Britain) is a British citizen of Indian origin suspected of being an MI6 operative and Al Qaeda organizer responsible for the 7 July 2005 London bombings.

Police sources have told newspapers that Aswat made some 20 mobile phone calls to two of the suspected bombers, possibly including Mohammed Sidique Khan. Although his family claims that years ago he disappeared to Afghanistan or Pakistan, he was monitored entering Britain at Felixstowe, Suffolk in late June and then departing via Heathrow hours before the attacks. His profile was mentioned early in the investigation as a potential suspect, but his name was kept secret until he was arrested by Zambian authorities after entering that country through Zimbabwe.

Aswat is believed to have helped set up a terrorist training camp in Oregon in the United States in 1999. Recently, he was in South Africa, where American agents reportedly monitored his activities. It has been alleged that the US wished to arrest him, but the UK opposed the arrest, apparently due to his British citizenship. However, terrorism expert John Loftus, interviewed on FOX News's Day Side on 30 July 2005, said that Rashid was in fact an MI6 informant and had been for many years.[1] He was deported from Zambia to the UK on 7 August 2005 and arrested on his arrival.

For a time he was believed killed in Afghanistan, as his identification papers were found on the body of a Taliban fighter.

Haroon Aswat – the man British Police believe was behind the London bombings – was working for MI6, it has been confirmed by leading U.S. and French intelligence asset/agents.[2]

The Los Angeles Times reports that a British judge has approved Aswat's extradition to the USA

42 posted on 07/22/2006 8:06:44 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas
So a British Muslim of Indian descent is "from Kosovo".

How does that work?

Further, is John Loftus an official spokesman for either the US or British Governments now?

Aswat is presently in custody in the UK, fighting extradition to the US to face terrorism charges relating to Afghanistan.

So either running a terrorist training camp in Oregon takes precedent over masterminding the 7/7 bombings, or something is likely wrong with the scenario Loftus sets out.

Here, btw, is the UK's Home Office 7/7 Report page, and here is the Intelligence and Security Committe Reports page, where you can find their 7/7 report.

I know that's only 2 web references vs. your 741,000 and that they lack the authority on the subject that Wikipedia has, but oh well.

43 posted on 07/22/2006 10:45:52 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Israel agrees to NATO peacekeepers

"ISRAEL will support deployment of a temporary international peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon to ensure Hezbollah is removed from its border.

Defence Minister Amir Peretz suggested yesterday that the force would be led by NATO, but gave no time frame for any deployment.

"Because of the weakness of the Lebanese army, we will support a wide national force … which would deploy in the south," Haaretz newspaper's website quoted Mr Peretz as telling German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier."

SOURCE

Most of the NATO members have not shown strong support for Israel with the exception of the USA and some have shown hostilities. With that said it is also being reported;

"President Bush's chief of staff said Sunday international peacekeepers might be needed in Lebanon to help end the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militants, but that U.S. troop involvement was unlikely.

Josh Bolten reaffirmed comments by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday, ahead of her trip to the Middle East this week, that she did not think "it anticipated that U.S. ground forces are expected" for a potential peacekeeping contingent."

SOURCE

In the scenario I laid out I said the time was not ripe for it to take place now because of US support for Israel but that it could develop over time. I stand by that. If NATO goes into the region temporarily who knows when they will come out? With nations there whose sympathies are not with Israel and with the absence of US forces who knows what will develop over the next years.

44 posted on 07/23/2006 9:50:02 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

Putting NATO into Southern Lebanon to stop Hizbollah attacks on Israel isn't quite the same thing as putting NATO into Kosovo to stop Serbian attacks on Albanians, is it.


45 posted on 07/23/2006 10:54:08 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I agree. Like I stated, there are differences but we will see over the next few years how it plays out - if it works - or if it does not work. We will also see who, if anyone, benefits and who suffers from it.

I also wrote earlier, it may seem to be working fine for a period of time, but things will again build back up to the point of exploding.
46 posted on 07/23/2006 2:44:59 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

Don't bother being rational with Hoplite...he is a bought and paid for KLA terror fan.


47 posted on 07/24/2006 5:53:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: Hoplite; All

Serbian attacks on Albanians




You are wrong again....The attacks started when Muslim Albanians started murdering, setting fire to christian communities, and kidnapping Serbians in the Serbian homeland kosovo...not the other way around no matter which way you put it.

http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/default.htm


48 posted on 07/24/2006 5:57:58 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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....and to top that off Clinton joined in with militant Islam. Brilliant! They take us for fools - And sadly, because of the left they are right about a number of us.
49 posted on 07/24/2006 6:14:08 PM PDT by inpajamas
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To: eleni121
Don't bother being rational with Hoplite

If you could follow your own advice and quit pinging me to your worthless posts, it would be appreciated.

Thanks.

50 posted on 07/25/2006 8:18:44 AM PDT by Hoplite
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